2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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140. Who doesn't speak for you?

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 03:31 PM

Oct 2015

You seem to have jumped into this thread somewhere in the middle and made demands that the rest of us aren't privy to. Is this a discussion that the two of you (Rick and Zappa) should be having over email or something?

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Seriously, Secretary Clinton? [View all] sabrina 1 Oct 2015 OP

K&R. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Oct 2015 #1

When did she say she was a victim of shouting? nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #120

Here you go JonLeibowitz Oct 2015 #127

There is a belief that artislife Oct 2015 #2

It's interesting that you say that. It reminded me of Hillary's statements on legislation she sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #4

Furthermore artislife Oct 2015 #7

Yes, to everything you said. She seems forced when she talks. Maybe it's just a mannerism, but sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #20

this is not a good belief redruddyred Oct 2015 #29

I think it's a viewpoint meant to be used to teach people to take control of their lives Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #37

That hasn't been my experience, being a woman has never stopped me from doing anything I sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #70

Everything you claim about yourself (not being a victim, etc.) bvar22 Oct 2015 #80

Yeah, yeah but she is always shouting. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #105

Thank you bvar22, coming from you, I really appreciate that. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #130

"victimhood" as a concept is only as useful as how well it provides answers redruddyred Nov 2015 #170

tell that to Matthew Sheppard dsc Oct 2015 #39

Exactly. Like the "everything happens for a reason" nonsense. betsuni Oct 2015 #49

Amazing woman. Great thread, Sabrina. nt. polly7 Oct 2015 #3

Thanks Polly, good to 'see' you! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #74

* NBachers Oct 2015 #5

Did you read the OP? I did state that they had met. Every Western Leader has met with Aung sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #8

The warm, close, and generous honesty between these two women is genuine. NBachers Oct 2015 #12

Really? I saw fake smiles in those pics. nt. druidity33 Oct 2015 #35

Oh my... Agschmid Oct 2015 #53

Ridiculous assertion in this fake post. n/t Sheepshank Oct 2015 #62

So did I. They're political photos. senz Oct 2015 #96

What? n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #51

no one will ever blame Hillary for missing a photo op azurnoir Oct 2015 #25

Gotta tack onto that resume and 'list of achievements' at every opportunity. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Oct 2015 #38

Lol yep azurnoir Oct 2015 #40

I'm particularly fond of the one with Kissinger. Le Taz Hot Oct 2015 #58

In the inner circles of DC war criminals like Kissenger and Rove and Cheney are sought after sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #79

True! And she looked a lot more enthusiastic with Kissinger, too. senz Oct 2015 #95

Oh, yeah, I hear ya! NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #6

It doesnt take much strength to deal with those nitwits. I know teenagers who could wipe the floor sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #9

"The American people are sick to death of these neocon invasions." NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #11

Since when do YOU speak for the American people? Lol, you seem a bit upset. I know it's sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #14

I'm not the one ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #19

No, you're the one who goes to another site and calls DU members "dense as a brick ... Scuba Oct 2015 #43

Ugh, I got one look at that awful site and had to wonder why anyone would sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #73

Try actually reading ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #82

I have great respect for sabrina, both her character and her wordsmithing. You're also good ... Scuba Oct 2015 #84

I don't consider citing facts ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #87

Maybe she saw the photos of packed stadiums cheering Bernie senz Oct 2015 #97

Sabrina constantly talks about ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #102

Bernie actually cares about the American people. senz Oct 2015 #103

That's exactly the point. Caring about the American people. I can't believe the objections here to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #146

I also saw polls senz. On the issues of the most importance to the American people. I am certain sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #131

Surely you have heard of POLLS??? The Amercan people speak for themselves in POLLS sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #99

Again, you do not speak on behalf of "the American people". NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #107

She speaks with the 99%, who do you speak with? HRC clearly speaks for Goldman-Sachs and rhett o rick Oct 2015 #109

So sabrina speaks ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #114

You may be a part of the 99% but apparently you favor the 1%. I understand, they are tough and rhett o rick Oct 2015 #116

You know what? NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #121

You choose which side of this class war to be on and it's not the side of the 99%. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #122

I'm with the 99% and she doesn't speak for me. zappaman Oct 2015 #115

How sad that you are of the 99% and yet you choose to support the 1% instead of the 50 million rhett o rick Oct 2015 #117

I'm sad for you too, Rick. zappaman Oct 2015 #119

I notice that you always ask questions but never tell us what your stand is. Are you afraid to rhett o rick Oct 2015 #123

Still waiting. n/t zappaman Oct 2015 #128

I am still waiting for you to actually address issues like fracking. You know where the peoples of rhett o rick Oct 2015 #134

Still waiting for you to show me why I'm "with the one percent". zappaman Oct 2015 #136

Who doesn't speak for you? kenfrequed Oct 2015 #140

Sorry boss. zappaman Oct 2015 #142

Well don't let it happen again. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #147

You object to people caring about the American People? That IS what politics is supposed to be all sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #143

Sabrina ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #144

You've been objecting throughout this thread to me referencing the concerns of the American people sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #145

What I have been objecting to ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #148

The same world where the polls deny us Democracy treestar Oct 2015 #164

When President Obama begged and pleaded with the American people to take on truedelphi Oct 2015 #129

I dont need help, haven't you noticed, I'm not the kind of woman who cries 'poor me, I'm a woman' sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #72

Got kinda quiet here Armstead Oct 2015 #100

We've all seen ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #139

I'm sorry, but for me, politics IS about the American People. It isn't about politicians we 'love' sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #150

Okay, you're on! NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #152

She can't win wth just democrats. Dems are now only 32% of the electorate. Bernie already has over sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #155

As expected ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #157

I answered your questions. Your posts in THIS thread objected to my caring about the American sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #158

Where did I say ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #159

Funny how some Democrats have turned around on corp-media now that they rhett o rick Oct 2015 #135

If Hillary's poll numbers go up, we are being denied Democracy? treestar Oct 2015 #56

Her poll numbers go up when the corporate media gushes over her. senz Oct 2015 #98

Just found out, lobbyists for the Corporate Media are working for Hillary. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #160

her poll numbers go up because people answering the poll treestar Oct 2015 #162

We're being denied democracy when the Corp Media deletes its OWN POLLS showing Bernie not just sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #151

So it's all a big conspiracy? treestar Oct 2015 #163

What crossover votes is she going to get? Repubs? Bernie is. Independents who have fled both sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #156

does she even live in the US? nt antigop Oct 2015 #168

She speaks for me kenfrequed Oct 2015 #65

I don't know about "The" American People but "many" American People are sick of all these wars and i Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #85

P.S. Hillary plays the victim card all the time. And you can't admit that then Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #88

cause gee it's not like the Benghazi "issue" hasn't been on going since 2012 or anything azurnoir Oct 2015 #30

Yeah, okay, so ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #112

I've got enough faith in my fellow citizens and enough understanding to know they had NOTHING TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #124

Look ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #125

Look you've got nothing so fall back on the weak condescension and faith in "winning" TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #126

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #132

Nance, you don't get it.... Logical Oct 2015 #153

Many people ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #154

I see integrity as being much more important than being tough. I know that authoritarians will rhett o rick Oct 2015 #108

Do you have a link where Hillary portrays herself as a victim? zappaman Oct 2015 #10

Well, are you going to believe your own eyes ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #13

Any ISSUES you would like to discuss? Like War, Torture, Private Prisons, Welfare Reform? The TPP, sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #16

How about discussing ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #21

Women's issues, absolutely. What would you like to discuss re women? I certainly don't appreciate sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #22

Your OP states that ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #24

Let me see if I can disect your comment and explain to you what you don't seem to understand. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #32

Do you take yourself seriously? nt boston bean Oct 2015 #41

I see you do! sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #81

Women talking about women's rights treestar Oct 2015 #57

No - using something that wasn't sexism Fawke Em Oct 2015 #59

Exactly! It was llmost Rovian. Bernie is so strong on issues such as Women's Rights, it's hard to sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #68

Powerful, wealthy women playing the victim, pretending something happened that didn't is a total sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #161

+1000! zappaman Oct 2015 #86

........ azurnoir Oct 2015 #31

Hillary kicks ass all over the place ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #46

It was a big bilious issue on Morning Joe on Tuesday, October 27th NBachers Oct 2015 #23

And that's why it was such a ridiculous thing to do. She provided FODDER for the sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #27

do we really have to ask that? really? azurnoir Oct 2015 #33

so now Morning Joe speaks for you? Sheepshank Oct 2015 #63

No one is arguing that she isn't tough. The problem is that tough isn't enough. I am sure she will rhett o rick Oct 2015 #106

No link. zappaman Oct 2015 #110

Hillary is all about Hillary... MattSh Oct 2015 #15

True, we saw that in the last campaign in 2008. Same old negative campaigning, same old sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #17

Can't help herself? MattSh Oct 2015 #18

She is powerful but... Helen Borg Oct 2015 #26

Who cares? There are all kinds of obstacles that powerful people have to be able to handle. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #28

Hillary Clinton is one of the strongest women on the planet BainsBane Oct 2015 #34

Good post! Thanks for typing it out! + a million!!!!!! boston bean Oct 2015 #42

Thank you! ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #47

Actually we all ARE in position to question her strength pinebox Oct 2015 #52

OK so questioning Bernie's is fine too. treestar Oct 2015 #166

You should be pinebox Oct 2015 #169

"And YOU are in no position to question her strength" Dawgs Oct 2015 #54

Amazing, isn't it? We have no rights at all it seems. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #69

I love you so much,Bain. sufrommich Oct 2015 #55

Is there a law that says people are not allowed to speak the truth sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #60

Excellent post! Bobbie Jo Oct 2015 #61

Excellent again, Bains, all of it. R B Garr Oct 2015 #94

DAYYYUUUUUMMMM!!!!! Number23 Oct 2015 #101

Thanks for putting things back into perspective. Dem2 Oct 2015 #111

+10000000etc. betsuni Oct 2015 #113

Holy Crap stevil Oct 2015 #118

Bains, congrats on a most excellent post. Amazing how women who stand up for themselves are seaglass Oct 2015 #133

Methinks thou doth protest too much. Avalux Oct 2015 #149

Awesome post treestar Oct 2015 #165

Hillary isn't up 41 in Iowa. She is up, but not by 41. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #36

How many OPs are you going to post on this subject? George II Oct 2015 #44

This nonsense again? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #45

Well, according to sabrina ... NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #89

Of course... zappaman Oct 2015 #90

She should get them to run for office. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #92

K & R AzDar Oct 2015 #48

Seems many Hillary supporters are mistaking ambition for strength. AzDar Oct 2015 #50

Weak and feckless does not equate to ambition in my book. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #64

Truly strong women do not level a charge of 'sexism' as a political maneuver. Period. AzDar Oct 2015 #66

A strong woman would not keep quiet about such things and let it fester. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #71

Good lord, you aren't seriously contending that Bernie's remark was sexist, are you? AzDar Oct 2015 #75

spin spin spin...I was describing a strong woman. Good day. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #91

Okaaay, then. Bye, Felicia. AzDar Oct 2015 #93

...! Good Point.... KoKo Oct 2015 #83

Funny how for men both of these are seen as Skidmore Oct 2015 #141

Is there something wrong with ambition? treestar Oct 2015 #167

Sadly it seems Aung San Suu Kyi may not be all that heroic either... MattSh Oct 2015 #67

Nothing is off limits if you want to attack Hillary, evidently randys1 Oct 2015 #76

Didn't you get that backwards? The despicable attack was launched by Hillary sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #78

if Hill wins the primary, I will vote against the GOP, but DonCoquixote Oct 2015 #77

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #104

Great post. One thing about Mrs. Clinton. She is certainly divisive. EndElectoral Oct 2015 #137

Yes. Poor, weak, victim is EXACTLY the image put forth by Hillary Clinton prayin4rain Oct 2015 #138