2016 Postmortem

Martin Eden

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79. Hillary is too stupid to be President **IF** ....

Thu Oct 29, 2015, 06:54 PM

Oct 2015

... she actually believed the Bush administration's bogus case for war in Iraq and that he would act in good faith with the authority she voted to give him.

I sincerely doubt Hillary Clinton is that stupid.

Much more likely she knew the case for war was a pack of LIES.

Which means HRC was either on board with the neocon agenda, or she just made a political calculation in the post-9/11 environment that it was better for her career to be "tough" on national security.

Consequences be damned.

One small consequence is that she (along with every other politician who voted for the IWR in 2002) forever lost my vote in Democratic primaries.

I'm still struggling with understanding why any Democrat who was paying attention can give her a pass on that.

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Words Used to Describe Hillary Clinton by Her Opponents. [View all] MineralMan Oct 2015 OP

I've not seen any of those here. ibegurpard Oct 2015 #1

Crone Ive seen here. boston bean Oct 2015 #4

You haven't? Here: MineralMan Oct 2015 #5

All of those links, with the exception of one, are from DU2.. frylock Oct 2015 #9

DU2 is still DU. MineralMan Oct 2015 #12

But only with the supporters, and not the candidate.. frylock Oct 2015 #23

On your first link the poster was tombstoned. So even if it was posted on DU, it appears the Cleita Oct 2015 #84

Shrill...... Florencenj2point0 Oct 2015 #198

We've certainly seen shrill here mcar Oct 2015 #18

Was Wall Street whore in that list? It was used back in the spring, alerted upon....... George II Oct 2015 #165

Does any of those refer to a Democrat? Mass Oct 2015 #2

See my #5. MineralMan Oct 2015 #6

So, some people we know nothing about Mass Oct 2015 #15

I only mentioned "her opponents." MineralMan Oct 2015 #19

You knew darn well what reaction you were going to get by posting this OP with the political stillwaiting Oct 2015 #213

"Bitchy" LoveIsNow Oct 2015 #53

Who tries to pretend that no opposition to Clinton is sexist? Are you talking about repubs? Vattel Oct 2015 #3

See my #5 and do your own searching on DU. MineralMan Oct 2015 #7

Fail. Only one of those posts suggests that she is not a victim of sexism. Vattel Oct 2015 #13

3 out of 4 of those links are from DU2. frylock Oct 2015 #11

You didn't link to any here on DU leftofcool Oct 2015 #8

No, I did not. That was not my point. MineralMan Oct 2015 #16

Yes, some of the worst offenders from then whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #21

They don't like to acknowledge that. frylock Oct 2015 #56

Yup whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #62

so.... it must be a whine from the ignored Hillary supporters Mnpaul Oct 2015 #132

You forgot. Indepatriot Oct 2015 #10

Yes, but none of those are gender specific whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #14

what? No male candidate is referred to as shrill, loud etc.... Florencenj2point0 Oct 2015 #200

I don't see any sexist epithet there. Doctor_J Oct 2015 #22

Well of course you don't. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #185

Those are all true n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #30

+1 dorkzilla Oct 2015 #72

Thank you MM mcar Oct 2015 #17

I said yesterday.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #20

She does proceed with her head up. MineralMan Oct 2015 #24

blame them for being on guard? no. blame them for making stuff up? Doctor_J Oct 2015 #25

At least now Sanders calls his campaign's comments "inappropriate" Rose Siding Oct 2015 #26

That disappoints me. I liked that comment. Autumn Oct 2015 #29

Where did she accuse him of being sexists? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #33

Read my post again please. Autumn Oct 2015 #37

Why should her supporters apologize for for Sanders inappropriate remark? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #40

His remarks weren't inappropriate. Nor were they sexist as her supporters claim Autumn Oct 2015 #44

See post #26. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #47

Your point? I'm talking about Bernie being accused of sexism by Hillary supporters Autumn Oct 2015 #50

I am not trying to rewrite facts, I don't see a need to continue to post about this situation over Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #55

yes it is sexist.... telling a woman not to shout is sexist Florencenj2point0 Oct 2015 #201

You got a link to Bernie telling her not to shout? Take your time I'll wait for you to find it. Autumn Oct 2015 #204

Crybabyism AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #230

You won't find any instance of Bernie attaching any sexist name names to her or any woman. Autumn Oct 2015 #27

He addressed her by name. He did not say "gun debaters." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #32

Keep trying. Autumn Oct 2015 #36

What part of "I can tell Secretary Clinton..." do you not understand? nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #49

Which part of he was addressing her comments do YOU not understand? She was not yelling, Autumn Oct 2015 #51

"She was not yelling, why would he accuse her of yelling if she wasn't yelling?" SunSeeker Oct 2015 #52

Right, she wasn't shouting. thesquanderer Oct 2015 #93

Thank you!! arcane1 Oct 2015 #122

Great links proving the "shouting" wasn't directed at her. Autumn Oct 2015 #127

And yet he addressed "Secretary Clinton" by name, not "people on both sides." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #151

Actually, it would be odd NOT to JimDandy Oct 2015 #182

If he was addressing other people, he should not have addressed Clinton by name. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #187

The fact that he was addressing his response TO her... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #203

Interesting point. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #214

that all THE shouting, not all YOUR or all HER shouting frylock Oct 2015 #57

He used her actual named instead of "your." nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #156

Imagine that. He addressed her by her correct name and title. Why, I ougghtta... merrily Oct 2015 #166

Well.... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #174

Untrue and a non sequitur, but keep trying! You're bound to nail it soon or later. Law of averages. merrily Oct 2015 #175

Untrue? sheshe2 Oct 2015 #181

What is untrue - or at least opinion rather than fact - is... thesquanderer Oct 2015 #243

Then he should have addressed the people he was talking about instead of "Secretary Clinton." nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #177

One addresses the person TO whom one is speaking, not the ones ABOUT whom one is speaking. merrily Oct 2015 #192

His timing and wording indicated he was speaking to and about Clinton. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #212

He has used that exact wording for years to speak generally and not to accuse any merrily Oct 2015 #229

He has not been telling "Secretary Clinton" she's shouting "for years." SunSeeker Oct 2015 #231

Correct. He never told Secretary Clinton she was shouting and her claim of sexism is trumped up merrily Oct 2015 #232

Oh but he did. IF he didn't mean it, he should say so. nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #233

No, he did not and he has said so. merrily Oct 2015 #234

Got a link? nt SunSeeker Oct 2015 #235

He said it on national TV several times. merrily Oct 2015 #236

No, he never apologized nor even said he didn't mean it. SunSeeker Oct 2015 #237

He did say her interpretation was not his meaning and he had nothing for which to apologize. merrily Oct 2015 #238

Republicans are assholes. We know that already. arcane1 Oct 2015 #28

"Hillary is too stupid to be President." SixString Oct 2015 #31

! bvf Oct 2015 #46

Oh dear! frylock Oct 2015 #58

LOL. Nice catch! JimDandy Oct 2015 #186

Jeez! Figures.... whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #63

More proof. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #66

Good lord, is it All An Act for EVERY Clinton supporter? arcane1 Oct 2015 #75

They certainly don't have anything bad to say about the fakes Fumesucker Oct 2015 #249

Ooofa...that's gonna leave a mark...nt dorkzilla Oct 2015 #78

Ooofa? Is that some kind of technical term from the Lexus owner's manual? merrily Oct 2015 #146

It's a special organic lavender and seaweed-infused sponge that's a favorite with latte-drinkers dorkzilla Oct 2015 #189

I admit it. I have a little bowl of lavender on my nightstand. merrily Oct 2015 #191

Ha! My step-family (and ex-huband) are Jewish dorkzilla Oct 2015 #194

When I am at a Seder, I feel the desert sand under my feet, no exaggeration. merrily Oct 2015 #195

Shpilkes! I have that too! dorkzilla Oct 2015 #207

Thanks. I'll have to look into walking meditation. merrily Oct 2015 #208

Hillary is too stupid to be President **IF** .... Martin Eden Oct 2015 #79

I did not. They be a strange group, them Hillary supporters. nt cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #96

Wow UglyGreed Oct 2015 #102

I thought he posted at Free Republic and was against Obama? Am I remembering wrong? Autumn Oct 2015 #118

Nope. Posted at FREEP against Obama, posted here supporting Obama, posted against Hillary in 2008, merrily Oct 2015 #158

Oh yeah. Lot of... evolving there. Autumn Oct 2015 #160

I see your point. merrily Oct 2015 #172

... Fumesucker Oct 2015 #123

Same guy? Unbelievable. Broward Oct 2015 #125

The Great Lakes' answer to Steven Leser Doctor_J Oct 2015 #133

We never learned what she did to become an "un-liar" in his eyes. WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #178

I love the "death to the fascist wing of the Dem" dorkzilla Oct 2015 #210

Meh. They can talk all the shit about me they want... WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #255

"What I wrote was based on incorrect information." WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #179

A phony hypocrite is exposed. 99Forever Oct 2015 #193

I guess I find it hard to Puglover Oct 2015 #202

I'm reccing this thread... Dr. Strange Oct 2015 #220

Yeah...I stayed out of this thread, but now I'm suddenly interested. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #244

El.Oh.El AzDar Oct 2015 #246

And your point is? Armstead Oct 2015 #34

My reply for those a-holes: "Oderint dum metuant" DinahMoeHum Oct 2015 #35

Uppity meow2u3 Oct 2015 #38

What is the rationale for hypocrite being sexist? TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #100

I'll go with warmonger and corporatist. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #39

Yep. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #42

The same title also apply to Sanders. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #43

You're funny. Or deluded. I'm not sure which. n/t Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #67

I might be funny, no not deluded. Check his record on voting for military action and check to see Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #89

I'm willing to concede Sanders isn't perfect on these issues. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #143

Then by some of the talking points here Sanders would be a war hawk. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #180

Not even a teensy funny. merrily Oct 2015 #137

Surprisingly, "shouty" isn't on there. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #41

Most if not all of those are from her right-wing opponents KamaAina Oct 2015 #45

The entire point of the OP is to lump all "opponents" together as one. arcane1 Oct 2015 #48

The OP is a master of disingenuous rhetoric. Maedhros Oct 2015 #69

That's the sense I get. Really gives me a warm fuzzy to pull that lever for the leading candidate to Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #74

What's REALLY weird is when her supporters call her an "inveterate liar". cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #54

Did you catch this gem? frylock Oct 2015 #61

LOL You two are ruining perfectly good fake bullshit! arcane1 Oct 2015 #71

Mineralman said Hillary Clinton was too stupid to be President? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #77

Correct, Mineralman said Hillary Clinton was too stupid to be President. frylock Oct 2015 #99

The same Mineralman who created this thread said Hillary Clinton was too stupid... Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #105

The person who said "Hillary Clinton is too stupid to be President" is the same Mineralman.. frylock Oct 2015 #106

Interesting. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #108

Shocking, even. frylock Oct 2015 #115

Honestly it is pretty shocking and a fine example of being hoisted on one's own petard Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #116

I'd be too ashamed and embarrassed to post here for a few days myself.. frylock Oct 2015 #117

Indeed. kenfrequed Oct 2015 #221

It's evident that some people just have no shame. frylock Oct 2015 #242

The internet doesn't seem to forget kenfrequed Oct 2015 #219

I agree Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #222

Do you ever wonder... kenfrequed Oct 2015 #223

Is Cha now a Hillary supporter? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #81

Cha is a regular on the Clinton Cave site now n/t arcane1 Oct 2015 #83

This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #92

hillaryclintonsupporters.com is a site that people go to talk shit about DU's Sanders supporters.. frylock Oct 2015 #101

DU okasha Oct 2015 #130

Try again. frylock Oct 2015 #131

Perhaps you're too close to the phenomenon to see it clearly. okasha Oct 2015 #134

Naw, my view is just fine from here.. frylock Oct 2015 #138

We agree! I see exactly the same thing. okasha Oct 2015 #139

No, we are not in agreement. frylock Oct 2015 #224

Boom~ sheshe2 Oct 2015 #149

More info: arcane1 Oct 2015 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #129

For something so easily dismissed, you sure typed a lot of words to discredit it. arcane1 Oct 2015 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #153

I'm not " critisizing another for visiting anoter site" arcane1 Oct 2015 #215

I'm a member there ismnotwasm Oct 2015 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #157

JHC! sheshe2 Oct 2015 #147

I knew Cha better when I used to hang out here. misterhighwasted Oct 2015 #161

I will miss you mister. sheshe2 Oct 2015 #164

Oh. My. God. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #159

I can't believe that there's more than one site discussing politics........ George II Oct 2015 #163

Just don't reveal names. NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #171

Do we have to repost your bon mots from that other site again? Comrade Grumpy Oct 2015 #183

And plotting to "prod" people into getting their posts hidden arcane1 Oct 2015 #216

.... sheshe2 Oct 2015 #169

Well, excactly. n/t NanceGreggs Oct 2015 #173

Chairperson of Hillary's DU effort. cherokeeprogressive Oct 2015 #94

Cha said Hillary is an inveterate liar? Wow... Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #107

Also said Hillary is morally depraved. Autumn Oct 2015 #121

But she meant that in a good way MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #135

WAS morally depraved. now she's the best choice for leader of the free world. Doctor_J Oct 2015 #140

Yes, WAS. Mineralman literally pulled that in this thread. Clinton WAS stupid he says. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #150

SHAME on you for pointing this out. Puglover Oct 2015 #209

The OP once believed gays shouldn't be around children, so anything is possible. arcane1 Oct 2015 #218

Yes it's entirely possible to go from "moral depravity" to... Autumn Oct 2015 #228

People pretend any opposition to her is sexist Android3.14 Oct 2015 #59

Oooooh, oooooh, Mr. Kotter!! I have one: "Mentirosa"... AzDar Oct 2015 #60

But Bernie's opposition to her isn't any of that, Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #64

But remember, it's we liberals who are the real fucking problem. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #65

I think you should address your own extremely nasty barbs at her being quoted in this thread Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #68

Inveterate liar was a different DUer dorkzilla Oct 2015 #87

And then there is Reply #14 Puglover Oct 2015 #205

Wow, so she's become LESS warmonger-y since '08 dorkzilla Oct 2015 #206

And???? 840high Oct 2015 #70

Loud? Obnoxious? Rude? thesquanderer Oct 2015 #73

Really. Why are those in there? redgreenandblue Oct 2015 #188

HOLD ON HOLD ON HOLD ON.... retrowire Oct 2015 #76

Google it. MineralMan Oct 2015 #80

"Too stupid to be president" is a compliment, I suppose? arcane1 Oct 2015 #82

Seems MM UglyGreed Oct 2015 #113

Are you claiming that this is common on DU? MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #85

Nope. I didn't mention DU in the OP MineralMan Oct 2015 #88

So then you must be claiming that DUers say there's no sexism MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #95

Lots of things are puzzling, Manny. MineralMan Oct 2015 #98

Absolutely. because I just read a link where you said Hillary Clinton is too stupid to be President. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #110

She was that year. Obama won. MineralMan Oct 2015 #112

Hmm your statement just now sounds full of shit. Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #114

Full, indeed. merrily Oct 2015 #199

Do you still believe "Romney Wouldn't be a bad VP pick by any means"? Autumn Oct 2015 #124

Remember that you're talking to people okasha Oct 2015 #162

Why is Hillary co-opting his old, stale ideas? frylock Oct 2015 #225

She isn't. okasha Oct 2015 #239

Uhhh... no. frylock Oct 2015 #241

I have no idea what goes on in your memory. okasha Oct 2015 #247

My memory may be faulty, but my ability to search the net isn't.. frylock Oct 2015 #248

Your memory probably is faulty, and so is your "research,." okasha Oct 2015 #250

I'll rely on the word of other posters on this forum who disagree. frylock Oct 2015 #251

Now you're wasn'theresplainin'. okasha Oct 2015 #252

I get it. As a straight, white male I'm supposed to stfu. frylock Oct 2015 #253

LOL! merrily Oct 2015 #168

"She's smarter now"? You really want to fucking say that in 2008 Autumn Oct 2015 #176

You do realize that the US President is MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #197

Not claiming, but dishonestly implying. arcane1 Oct 2015 #91

Sure seems that way MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #97

There's always the tried and true "incorrect information." WorseBeforeBetter Oct 2015 #184

Oh Goddess. MannyGoldstein Oct 2015 #196

Holy shit! dorkzilla Oct 2015 #211

It's almost as if it's all an act, and the poster is nothing more than a hack. arcane1 Oct 2015 #217

How incredibly vile. frylock Oct 2015 #226

Overly sensitive is one I see used for women. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2015 #86

Yes. It's a systemic problem. MineralMan Oct 2015 #90

That does not mean that no woman is overly sensitive. Some women are, and some men are. merrily Oct 2015 #119

I will not search the links you provided. I feel no need. guillaumeb Oct 2015 #103

Kicking and reccing for exposure. frylock Oct 2015 #104

Point is, there was no sexist component to Sanders remark about shouting about gun control. merrily Oct 2015 #109

Hotair.com? Breitbart? Hmmmmm... AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #111

K&R for the hypocrisy Fumesucker Oct 2015 #126

Novel. I've never kicked or recommended for hypocrisy. Maybe I should start? merrily Oct 2015 #136

Outstanding effort should be recognized and rewarded Fumesucker Oct 2015 #141

outstanding effort? No offense to you or MineralMan intended, but did you and I read the same OP? merrily Oct 2015 #145

He utterly destroyed what credibility he had left, if any Fumesucker Oct 2015 #148

How much credibility would you say he had before the OP of this thread? merrily Oct 2015 #155

About this much... Fumesucker Oct 2015 #167

LOL! He thinks she's stupid to be President, so her opinion hardly matters to him. merrily Oct 2015 #170

did you miss the part where Mineralman said Hillary Clinton is too stupid to be President? Bread and Circus Oct 2015 #152

No, I did not miss that. If I could rec some of the posts on this thread, I would. merrily Oct 2015 #154

This thread went from dreadful strawman BS to fucking awesome in the course of 24 hours. TwilightGardener Oct 2015 #245

Oh noez! 99Forever Oct 2015 #128

"people try to pretend there isn't a sexist component to opposition to her."- they do? Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #190

Gee, so we need to make it all better for her by making her Prezident! djean111 Oct 2015 #227

ignore......... smiley Oct 2015 #240

And since every strong woman in the country has been called the same, they will vote for her. McCamy Taylor Oct 2015 #254