2016 Postmortem

MADem

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243. Really? You're saying I started a thread telling everybody that they should vote for Clinton

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 01:43 AM

Nov 2015

because some wingnut says she's cool? It sure sounds like you're claiming that.

Show me that thread--I don't remember starting it. Probably because, gee, that never happened.

Now you're starting to take the point. This is a slow and painful process. As soon as you DON'T find that thread that I NEVER started, all will become clear to you.

I've been entirely consistent and quite patient with you--here, one more time, in short sentences:

I don't think Democrats want or need Republicans to define them as good or worthy. Anyone asking me to 'listen' to John McCain's advice is like someone who asks a fox to watch my henhouse.

This thread asks us to take the "wisdom" of a wingnut warmonger and apply that to our thought process about a candidate running for the Democratic nomination. Since when do we take advice from John Bomb Iran McCain?

This is NOT about "dissing" Bernie's legislation, or "dissing" his co-sponsorship with McCain. That's NOT the point. The point is we don't want or need McCain paternally telling us dumb old DUUHHH-we-can't-make-up-our-own-minds Democrats who's "good" and who's "not so good." He's the guy who would love a POTUS he could box into a corner so he can prosecute his warmongering agenda.

Anyone who cheers McCain for saying something they happen to like--especially if they can't find much if anything to like about him-- is being played for a sucker. He's NOT on our side.

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John McCain: Bernie Sanders, NOT Hillary Clinton, Has ‘Record of Advocacy’ For VETS [View all] Segami Oct 2015 OP

Well, she's interested.... daleanime Oct 2015 #1

Like McCain isn't? MADem Oct 2015 #9

McCain is running again? daleanime Oct 2015 #12

Apparently he's giving "guidance" to the Democratic Party that some find valuable. MADem Oct 2015 #91

But taking advice from Lindsey Graham is better Mnpaul Oct 2015 #208

Point me to the HRC DU thread that boasts about Lindsey's comments and calls them an "endorsement." MADem Oct 2015 #209

The endorsement crap is a lame smear from Hillary supporters Mnpaul Oct 2015 #210

Unnnnh....this thread, touting McCain's words, was NOT started by "Hillary supporters." MADem Oct 2015 #212

I'm still waiting for the McCain endorsement Mnpaul Oct 2015 #213

Post 1 makes the claim that John McCain is touting Sanders' 'record of advocacy' and was apparently MADem Oct 2015 #217

Post #1 Mnpaul Oct 2015 #218

Anyone reading the subject line of post 1 isn't going to play your no proof/strawman game. MADem Oct 2015 #220

The subject line of post #1 reads Mnpaul Oct 2015 #223

Post ZERO, then--the thread starting post. I'm making complete sense. MADem Oct 2015 #224

Yeah, we know the facts aren't on your side Mnpaul Oct 2015 #226

They are, though--and your tactics in this exchange demonstrate MADem Oct 2015 #228

Your tactics in this exchange Mnpaul Oct 2015 #231

I've provided links and cites. MADem Oct 2015 #232

I provided a list of actual bills authored Mnpaul Oct 2015 #234

So did I. And your video had nothing to do with the topic. MADem Oct 2015 #235

You post a link to 417 bills Mnpaul Oct 2015 #236

Gee, too many for you to read? Now you really DO want me to do your homework for you. MADem Oct 2015 #237

You were the one touting Hillary working with Graham Mnpaul Oct 2015 #238

No, I wasn't. MADem Oct 2015 #239

You posted it Mnpaul Oct 2015 #240

Right--her LEGISLATIVE achievements. Not her "Let me start a thread detailing which Republican MADem Nov 2015 #241

and Segami is doing the same Mnpaul Nov 2015 #242

Really? You're saying I started a thread telling everybody that they should vote for Clinton MADem Nov 2015 #243

You still don't get it Mnpaul Nov 2015 #244

If you don't need McCain's approval, then why is a member of your crew starting a thread MADem Nov 2015 #245

More manufactured outrage Mnpaul Nov 2015 #246

There is no "outrage" so not sure how it can be "manufactured." MADem Nov 2015 #247

You obviously don't point out hypocrisy Mnpaul Nov 2015 #248

The Man Who Chose Palin would not be my go to guy on Democratic Party punditry! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #81

Yeah...he's got our best interests at heart (not)! nt MADem Oct 2015 #90

Ok, that's a bit rough portlander23 Oct 2015 #27

American Exceptionalism needs our troops to die. It's not personal. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #129

Ha! That seems to be the plan. Military spending up the wazoo. valerief Oct 2015 #43

This ought to resonate with Clinton supporters Scootaloo Oct 2015 #2

The swarm will be along momentarily hootinholler Oct 2015 #3

LOLOLOLOL SoapBox Oct 2015 #4

That didn't take long hootinholler Oct 2015 #7

an entire OP devoted to it even! marym625 Oct 2015 #19

I couldn't find it hootinholler Oct 2015 #41

Now where would we find something that isn't true, marym625 Oct 2015 #42

You can try wehatebernie.com Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #135

Thank you. I stay away from caves. They're dark and chilly. marym625 Oct 2015 #156

A swarm of Democrats on Democratic Underground? Rose Siding Oct 2015 #18

Is Palin making a duckface? dae Oct 2015 #63

No, McCain is trying to goose her! eom Duval Oct 2015 #69

You got a lot of spunk Rose Siding, I'll give you that. A Simple Game Oct 2015 #82

Thanks! hootinholler Oct 2015 #85

I lubricate mine once in a while too. n/t A Simple Game Oct 2015 #99

That is hysterical Oilwellian Oct 2015 #161

LOL! Segami Oct 2015 #162

The NERVE of those Democrats, piping up on a board called DEMOCRATIC Underground!!! MADem Oct 2015 #93

McCain is Hillary's "3AM" buddy.. frylock Oct 2015 #36

I LOL'd AzDar Oct 2015 #39

... Bubzer Oct 2015 #53

Oh, am I late? Nitram Oct 2015 #68

IDK hootinholler Oct 2015 #86

I don't consider myself part of a swarm. Nitram Oct 2015 #144

People mocking McCain on du? NCTraveler Oct 2015 #111

OMG McCain...now Berniebros are holding up McCain...the man who picked Palin as a running mate workinclasszero Oct 2015 #5

So....is the "Republicans would never work with Sanders" talking point dead? jeff47 Oct 2015 #8

They'll "work with him" until they toss him over the side in the general election! MADem Oct 2015 #10

You have an odd definition of "weakest" jeff47 Oct 2015 #13

If the GOP loves someone competing for the Democratic nomination, that's "weakest." MADem Oct 2015 #94

Again, if that is true, why is Sanders doing better in head-to-head polls? (nt) jeff47 Oct 2015 #95

Gee, isn't it your crew that discounts any polls you don't like? MADem Oct 2015 #104

And isn't it your crew that actually believes polls? jeff47 Oct 2015 #105

Well, you're living by the polls--you'd better be prepared to die by them..... MADem Oct 2015 #108

So polls don't mean anything now? jeff47 Oct 2015 #148

Why are you touting an article from Oct 5? That's a LIFETIME ago. MADem Oct 2015 #165

Reading. Try it sometime. jeff47 Oct 2015 #167

Personal insult--not a response to my question--the survey was from SEP, the article from OCT 5. MADem Oct 2015 #169

Jeff, they just want someone that really works on the republican side, doncha know? marym625 Oct 2015 #112

It's the Sanders supporters who brought "McCain HEARTS Sanders" into the mix, here. MADem Oct 2015 #116

oh don't sell yourself short! I'm sure you intended to be hilarious. marym625 Oct 2015 #120

What I am READING here is hilarious. MADem Oct 2015 #121

with all your hyperbole and lectures on what Sanders and Sanders' marym625 Oct 2015 #122

Ah ha....and there it is!! No longer about the topic, now you're railing about ME. MADem Oct 2015 #123

there you go again, changing the subject, twisting the OP, marym625 Oct 2015 #126

Ha ha ha!! The subject is McCain, and how he's "endorsing" Sanders... MADem Oct 2015 #127

I thought you hated the little laughing guy? marym625 Oct 2015 #128

I think he's like salt--best used SPARINGLY! MADem Oct 2015 #131

I watched part of the republican debate last night. marym625 Oct 2015 #152

Are you calling me "dear" to be smarmy and denigrating, or am I really that "dear" to you? MADem Oct 2015 #164

Republicans want.... daleanime Oct 2015 #14

They want Sanders....so they can beat him like a rented mule. MADem Oct 2015 #100

I suppose that's why Sanders turns up at the top of Republican polls in NH eridani Oct 2015 #139

It would help to have a look at those polls, to see what they are actually saying. MADem Oct 2015 #166

John McCain... the man Hillary assured us was more qualified to be President than Obama Autumn Oct 2015 #58

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Oct 2015 #119

McCain whas the guy Hillary picked as better qualifies to pick up the red phone at 3am-- eridani Oct 2015 #140

This is from the ASS who choose Palin as his VP. Glad to see DU finds it helpful to inquire about still_one Oct 2015 #6

Hmm....your list doesn't include anything about vets. jeff47 Oct 2015 #26

PFFT!!! HAHAHA retrowire Oct 2015 #44

Here is a few of the veterans issues and how she voted still_one Oct 2015 #59

Hillary as pretty tight with McCain when discussion of 3AM phone calls came up. frylock Oct 2015 #37

This MIGHT be the strangest list I ever saw on anyone's positions karynnj Oct 2015 #71

Glad you enjoyed it, and you are correct about McCain not only still_one Oct 2015 #117

Just think about how much better off you would be today if your vote was the one.... NCTraveler Oct 2015 #11

Yes, it was totally necessary to vote for Clinton in 2008. Otherwise we'd have lost the GE. jeff47 Oct 2015 #17

Things NCTraveler has never said for $200, Alex. nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #20

I'll take "What year was McCain the Republican nominee?" for $500. jeff47 Oct 2015 #21

Bernie Sanders embraces John McCain and Palin workinclasszero Oct 2015 #15

embraces? restorefreedom Oct 2015 #25

He is a Jedi. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #32

i hope someone photoshops that restorefreedom Oct 2015 #35

There's a cartoon jeff47 Oct 2015 #61

thats gold restorefreedom Oct 2015 #66

After a 3AM phone call no less. frylock Oct 2015 #76

Who can forget that ad davidpdx Oct 2015 #190

Clinton supporters are trying like hell to forget. frylock Oct 2015 #192

Hillary embraced McCain over Obama in 2008 in the matter of 3am phone calls n/t eridani Oct 2015 #141

You mean her "commander-in-chief threshold" comment davidpdx Oct 2015 #191

Yes. But we already know that. mmonk Oct 2015 #16

When was Hillary not an advocate for veterans? McCain hate Hillary and will lie to no end. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #22

Yep. Let's take the Republican's word. RandySF Oct 2015 #23

Should be very easy to refute if he's lying. jeff47 Oct 2015 #29

You can't talk facts in a political campaign, only incredibly fabricated conjectures are allowed. nm NorthCarolina Oct 2015 #38

Watch what they do not what they say. That is why I support Bernie Sanders. I know what he did sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #24

+1 tecelote Oct 2015 #30

Four of the worst and most harmful pieces of legislation in recent history marym625 Oct 2015 #49

She is very weak on the issues. That is why they are doing everything they can to avoid sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #54

Right on, Sabrina! marym625 Oct 2015 #62

Yeah, we're all older and wiser now. We see through the sham that our democracy has become. sabrina 1 Oct 2015 #65

Discussion of issues is mysoginistic. frylock Oct 2015 #78

Thanks, marym. Bernie gets legislation that he writes passed into law. Hillary does NOT have a merrily Oct 2015 #57

Thank you, merrily! marym625 Oct 2015 #64

Glad you found it useful. It's not about principles or positions. merrily Oct 2015 #70

Say what you want about McCain's overall politics, but... HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #28

Hmmm. Nitram Oct 2015 #75

The ironing is delicious. frylock Oct 2015 #83

Like Vietnam? HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #84

Sorry, Herb, McCain doesn't have my respect. Nitram Oct 2015 #143

Seems like yesterday RandySF Oct 2015 #31

I guess this endorsement totally cancels out rbrnmw Oct 2015 #33

For a disabled veteran, probably so. mmonk Oct 2015 #34

The disabled vet Mnpaul Oct 2015 #124

No one is getting a COLA increase this year. So it wasn't McCain, either. MADem Oct 2015 #194

I was referring to S. 893 Mnpaul Oct 2015 #202

What does Clinton have to do with that piece of legislation? Answer: NOTHING. MADem Oct 2015 #203

Two bills from Hillary Mnpaul Oct 2015 #204

You obviously don't have command of your facts. It's way more than "two bills" and if you did MADem Oct 2015 #205

Unlike you Mnpaul Oct 2015 #207

And can you also document that Sanders is one of the LEAST bipartisan Congressmen on the Hill? MADem Oct 2015 #215

I didn't think you would post the bills Mnpaul Oct 2015 #216

You were the one who demanded them, not me. MADem Oct 2015 #219

Working with the other side to help vets Mnpaul Oct 2015 #221

Not when you're taking guidance on who is "best" at it from a right wing nut job. nt MADem Oct 2015 #222

We are not taking guidance from McCain Mnpaul Oct 2015 #225

Yes, you are--otherwise you wouldn't keep engaging me on this matter. MADem Oct 2015 #229

No I'm not Mnpaul Oct 2015 #230

Post 232. nt MADem Oct 2015 #233

What McCain is saying is undoubtedly true, but... camelfan Oct 2015 #40

Or maybe it was a moment of clarity from a subject that burns in his belly. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #47

The bullshit being said about this post is laughable marym625 Oct 2015 #45

"Bernie did a great job working with republicans" workinclasszero Oct 2015 #51

yes, he passed legislation that helped the country. marym625 Oct 2015 #60

Don't forget her buddy Kissinger, the war criminal wanted in several countries. BeanMusical Oct 2015 #87

They look like hootinholler Oct 2015 #103

Lol, yes they do! BeanMusical Oct 2015 #109

Not surprising...not at all! Segami Oct 2015 #110

+1000 BeanMusical Oct 2015 #118

Working together makes them pals? And now the Gowdy strawman? arcane1 Oct 2015 #79

Gee, the complaint around here from Team Clinton has been that Bernie can't work with Congress.. frylock Oct 2015 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Oct 2015 #154

Considering McCain's choice for VP, I think I will pass on listening to any of his advice liberal N proud Oct 2015 #46

The mechanic has a shitty husband and always wrongly predicts the weather. No way I'd let that hack Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #50

What if that mechanic was the cause of a loud squeal in your car? liberal N proud Oct 2015 #52

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2015 #48

There is some 'help' that Sanders doesn't need.... blackspade Oct 2015 #55

Johnny 5 planes endorses Bernie? leftofcool Oct 2015 #56

Could be the kiss of death like it was for Hillary in 2008. frylock Oct 2015 #96

The kiss of death. Nitram Oct 2015 #67

My first reaction! BlueMTexpat Oct 2015 #73

Just ask Hillary! frylock Oct 2015 #97

Exactly what the Clinton team SHOULD have expected when they attacked Sanders on this bill karynnj Oct 2015 #72

How desperate is Bernie now workinclasszero Oct 2015 #74

This seems more like McCain clinging to Bernie.. frylock Oct 2015 #98

Wow. Seems the same people calling for conservatives votes last Phlem Oct 2015 #77

These people contradict themselves every time they open their mouths.. frylock Oct 2015 #101

Spot on with that. Phlem Oct 2015 #107

Not going to give a knee jerk reaction. Duval Oct 2015 #80

what some forget Robbins Oct 2015 #88

Incredible how a Republican gives props to Sanders for all he's done for Vets d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #92

It seems just like yesterday when they were all worried about Bernie being a sexist... Kalidurga Oct 2015 #102

No one is doing that 'big fat lie' thing at all. You shouldn't misstate the POV. MADem Oct 2015 #113

What do you mean he'd better? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #125

Check his COMMITTEE memberships. MADem Oct 2015 #132

Okay...so what exactly are you arguing? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #137

Go back to the very first post that starts this foolish journey. MADem Oct 2015 #138

Take it up with that person then! d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #158

When you carry their water, you share in the responsibility. MADem Oct 2015 #163

I ain't carrying nobody's water! Its you who keeps splashing it on me. d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #168

Now you are just gish galloping. MADem Oct 2015 #170

If that means that you're moving the goal post then guilty as charged d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #172

The point I think you are missing is that a pat on the back from a Republican isn't a good thing. MADem Oct 2015 #173

Wow, you never stop making stuff up don't you? d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #185

And you never stop having challenges understanding my point. Ever. You just did it again. MADem Oct 2015 #186

Bernie enid602 Oct 2015 #106

The Lane Bryant lady has sung, crashed and burned. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #114

Wow, citing John McCain as an endorsement for Sanders. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #115

Desperation is using that emoticon to attempt to ridicule. Sad. nm rhett o rick Oct 2015 #130

I think the attempt succeeded. It's pretty low to pull out McCain as "proof" of anything. MADem Oct 2015 #133

So.. Kentonio Oct 2015 #174

So....you completely missed the point I was making. MADem Oct 2015 #175

John McCain is a completely qualified man to speak about Veterans affairs Kentonio Oct 2015 #180

He married an heiress while transitioning to retirement status. MADem Oct 2015 #182

A man who spent 5 and a half years in a Vietnamese prison camp Kentonio Oct 2015 #183

What does that dramatic paragraph have to do with his knowledge of a healthcare facility? MADem Oct 2015 #184

The disrespect comes from this idea that because he didn't use a VA facility Kentonio Oct 2015 #187

Unnnh--that's not "disrespect." Good grief, the 'disrespect' is entirely IN YOUR MIND. MADem Oct 2015 #188

He knows a damn sight more about the injuries and traumas Kentonio Oct 2015 #189

So you're saying Senator Sanders is incapable of learning about traumas and injuries, that the only MADem Oct 2015 #193

Oh you want to play in the mud? Kentonio Oct 2015 #195

You are the only one approaching this conversation as a "game." MADem Oct 2015 #197

As your 'game' appears to be dishonesty and misrepresentation Kentonio Oct 2015 #198

Yeah, the 'dishonesty' of facts and links. Whereas your lame opinion of a warmonger Republican MADem Oct 2015 #199

Please go away now Kentonio Oct 2015 #200

No. If you want to find the door, go right ahead. MADem Oct 2015 #201

I don't use the icon to ridicule MohRokTah Oct 2015 #149

Ridicule "Words or actions intended to evoke contemptuous laughter at or feelings toward a person" rhett o rick Oct 2015 #150

I am laughing at the silly shit posted. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #151

Especially when it's an out and out lie. nt kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #136

Clinton endorsed him in 2008 over Obama in the matter or 3am phone calls n/t eridani Oct 2015 #142

Hillary said McCain was more qualified than Obama to deal with foreign policy emergencies. Major Hogwash Oct 2015 #159

They sure do.... Segami Oct 2015 #160

Another thing that McCain is right and Hillary wrong on is we should reinstate Glass Steagall jfern Oct 2015 #134

Gosh,I wonder why McCain is promoting Sanders? sufrommich Oct 2015 #145

For his outstanding collaborative effort in ensuring that Vets get the healthcare they earned. frylock Oct 2015 #179

I'm glad at least one Republican recognizes Bernie's work. Vinca Oct 2015 #146

blah blah blah go Ann Kirkpatrick! lonestarnot Oct 2015 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Oct 2015 #153

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Oct 2015 #155

"Fringe left" LOL! "Hates" LOL! merrily Oct 2015 #178

that bastard, a veteran himself, votes against the vets every time, and has the nerve to talk niyad Oct 2015 #157

Kick nt. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #171

Cranky old guy HassleCat Oct 2015 #176

Poor Hillary. Some people tell the truth about her record. merrily Oct 2015 #177

But I heard Sanders couldn't work with anybody in the senate tularetom Oct 2015 #181

Well, McCain is not going to switch parties and serve as a super delegate, now, is he? MADem Oct 2015 #196

Of course it isn't an endorsement and it would be meaningless if it was tularetom Oct 2015 #206

It is a FACT that Sanders ranks SECOND LOWEST in terms of bipartisanship in his "ranking member" MADem Oct 2015 #211

While I don't know if I'd use John McCain as proof of something mythology Oct 2015 #214

I have heard John McCain speaking very highly of Hillary doc03 Oct 2015 #227