2016 Postmortem

BlueCaliDem

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176. Sanders is a great man, a great congressman, and a great clarion for the voiceless.

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 10:56 AM

Nov 2015

But he's not presidential material.

From my p.o.v., Sanders doesn't appear to seriously want to be president. It appears as if he just wants a national platform to get his message out.

Watching his campaign, it appears as if Sanders is running as a candidate for a seat in the U.S. House, not as a presidential candidate for the White House. He hasn't made any inroads garnering support from congressional Democrats - or Republicans, for that matter - and he's running on policies that he knows - or should know - a president can never make happen because those policies will need support in Congress in order to materialize. And we all know Sanders has few, if any, supporters in Congress.

Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years. He knows the deal. He knows what it takes to run for president. He's seen so many presidential campaigns. So why isn't he running one? That's why I was initially baffled by his stump speeches,. They're stump speeches that over-promise and what a candidate for Congress would run on, not a serious presidential candidate.

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Widespread panic!!! Breaking out all over DU!!11!!! [View all] workinclasszero Oct 2015 OP

ok then wendylaroux Oct 2015 #1

Well I didn't want the Bernie fans to have all the ***panic***!!1! posts workinclasszero Oct 2015 #64

really. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #80

Good job. Thanks for you work. riversedge Oct 2015 #114

No problem workinclasszero Oct 2015 #118

Well, Sanders is definitely winning at DU, but nowhere else. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #156

Yup Bernie has DU on lock down workinclasszero Nov 2015 #161

So there are more people for Hillary outside of DU. Does this give them the okay to begin Cal33 Nov 2015 #163

Most definitely. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #174

I've also noticed that there are more progressives at DU than elsewhere. Cal33 Nov 2015 #162

Believing lies to go along, to get along, is normal......... nolabels Nov 2015 #171

I don't know if they're progressives. No one can be certain they are. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #175

At first I only estimated that there were more Progressives at DU. Later I came across Cal33 Nov 2015 #187

Sanders is a great candidate, however, reality is reality. olegramps Nov 2015 #172

Sanders is a great man, a great congressman, and a great clarion for the voiceless. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #176

I also have trouble picturing Sanders as POTUS Gothmog Nov 2015 #183

Bernie Sanders is strong on national security. I see him more than qualified as CiC, too. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #184

Also � NurseJackie Oct 2015 #2

That too workinclasszero Oct 2015 #66

More than 12 months, actually. :) Cal33 Oct 2015 #122

I believe the primaries will be over by March 1, 2016. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #178

I was thinking in terms of winning the presidency. The Democratic Primaries begin in Iowa on Cal33 Nov 2015 #189

No. PowerToThePeople Oct 2015 #3

Yeah! More War! tecelote Oct 2015 #4

Like with the drones and military action Sanders says he will take? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #7

Justify the killing any way you can. Bernie isn't perfect but way better here. tecelote Oct 2015 #11

I thought I had heard him say this. Where did I justify killing? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #12

I didn't mean to be so harsh but I do see voting for Hillary as a vote for more war. tecelote Oct 2015 #20

Sanders is no anti-war hero. Not by a LONG shot. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #181

Wow, is there an admitted crack in the armor? Amimnoch Oct 2015 #83

Bernies drones peace you to death workinclasszero Oct 2015 #68

And Hillary's better on this issue? daleanime Oct 2015 #75

Not as much hypocrisy I'm sure workinclasszero Oct 2015 #77

Which doesn't effect any of the dead.... daleanime Oct 2015 #84

"Bernies drones" BeanMusical Oct 2015 #116

The military drones okasha Oct 2015 #132

"Sanders says he will continue to use to kill people in wars." BeanMusical Nov 2015 #151

NeoCons are well-known for falsely accusing their opponents of dirty deeds that have Cal33 Oct 2015 #123

+1 BeanMusical Nov 2015 #152

NeoCons are also very well-known for blaming others for their actions. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #179

I am not anti-Clinton. I've said repeatedly that I would vote for her if Cal33 Nov 2015 #188

You have to have war so the poor can join the military and hopefully survive long enough to go LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #9

Or to keep programs like the F-35 projects going. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #13

Yep,we need more of those Go Vols Oct 2015 #16

It seems to be a problem with this one, has had several attempts, saw the other day Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #107

Yeah they decided it should be primarily a missile platform Volaris Nov 2015 #160

We need to start looking at the congressional members who is voting to keep this program going. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #173

Bingo! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #69

Sorry shenmue Oct 2015 #49

No need. tecelote Oct 2015 #55

I Remember A Song From Long Ago By The Animals... ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #112

K & R Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #5

It's worse than you think! Scuba Oct 2015 #6

When was the festival? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #10

The link I provided was from May 5th of this year. I saw them last Saturday in Milwaukee. Scuba Oct 2015 #17

We are soon to discover how much influence campaign ad buys randr Oct 2015 #8

ok Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #14

Big rallies win elections for sure... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #70

Taylor Swift for President!!! MADem Oct 2015 #85

IF she were running for President, and IF your picture was of a campaign rally... cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #147

Oooooh, someone doesn't understand humor and sarcasm! MADem Nov 2015 #148

Yeah I'm guessing that's because he wasn't running. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #149

heh careful there.. Amimnoch Oct 2015 #86

Yep Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #105

I just love saying this.... workinclasszero Oct 2015 #106

Very true. Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #110

And he can keep doing that, bless him. charlyvi Oct 2015 #121

*mic drop* eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author Cal33 Nov 2015 #169

True. Bernie won't throw progressives under the bus once he is in the WH. GoneFishin Oct 2015 #131

Really? You sure about that? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #133

Its all about the tag lines? LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #146

Just to clarify, I'm not a Hillarian workinclasszero Nov 2015 #150

No. It's a direct quote by the man himself. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #180

I'm pretty sure those can all be unskewed. ToxMarz Oct 2015 #15

Sure they can...... charlyvi Oct 2015 #126

Yes, I didn't properly convey my sarcasim or include the appropriate emoticon. ToxMarz Oct 2015 #136

Yeah but....what about internet polls!!!?! tritsofme Oct 2015 #18

Another divisive and counterproductive post. I can't wait for this stuff to be over. nt TheBlackAdder Oct 2015 #19

I agree. I do not like any of this in your face stuff that the same people on both sides keep postin Tipperary Oct 2015 #28

+1 ejbr Oct 2015 #37

Thank you. I love to know there are some of us who know we are all on the same side. Tipperary Oct 2015 #39

I will not claim to be completely innocent ejbr Oct 2015 #41

Obviously I am a Hillary supporter, but I have nothing but respect for Bernie, and I think he Tipperary Oct 2015 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Armstead Oct 2015 #120

+1 onenote Oct 2015 #128

+1 n/t tammywammy Oct 2015 #137

Completely agree GitRDun Oct 2015 #59

No kidding. blackspade Oct 2015 #67

Agreed. To say what I really think of this childishness would get me a hide. nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #108

Self Delete -- I f'd up and postd on the wrong thread Armstead Oct 2015 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #153

Amen Lazy Daisy Nov 2015 #158

All of this is great and stuff but.... Slappy the Squirrel Oct 2015 #21

No doubt. Look at this for example.. frylock Oct 2015 #22

I found that worthy of a rec. Anything that keeps people occupied is a good thing. Autumn Oct 2015 #32

LOL. Frylock you are on your game. JimDandy Oct 2015 #40

Look at this for example.. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #44

Proving once again, how wide and deep goes the level of corruption throughout our nation. Hiraeth Oct 2015 #23

Agreed...pollsters are being paid off? Pauldg47 Oct 2015 #53

How could this be true? Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #24

scientific polling? safeinOhio Oct 2015 #45

The scientific polling in Canada matched up very well with the actual election results... SidDithers Oct 2015 #50

No! I'm shocked! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #73

Every poll I saw said Harper was on the ropes. MADem Oct 2015 #89

He was on the ropes, but he lost by much more than expected. Lucky Luciano Oct 2015 #94

John Oliver, and Mike Myers, might have helped that along. MADem Oct 2015 #100

Yes scientific polling Tommy2Tone Oct 2015 #97

Bait much? 99Forever Oct 2015 #25

Are there many threads that aren't? Dem2 Oct 2015 #31

Not many from Camp Weathervane that aren't, for gawddamn sure. 99Forever Oct 2015 #51

Cling hard to today's numbers for tomorrow's may not be so promising. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #26

Time will tell for sure workinclasszero Oct 2015 #92

So much drama on DU shireen Oct 2015 #27

Oh dear. Is this supposed to panic me? Autumn Oct 2015 #29

I Am More Calm Than Ever - Bring It On cantbeserious Oct 2015 #30

Hillary & Bill...the epitome of opportunism, manipulation and corruption w the banks & Walmart... Pauldg47 Oct 2015 #60

Yes - All Too True cantbeserious Oct 2015 #62

lulz You hit all the bases- Endorsement conspiracy, HRC selfishly preserved her marriage, Rose Siding Oct 2015 #95

"selfishly preserved her marriage," tammywammy Oct 2015 #138

It would be easy for the Banksters that Hillary holds true, to pay many a union bosses .... Pauldg47 Nov 2015 #140

How awful of Jackie and Ethel not to divorce the Kennedy beothers. okasha Oct 2015 #134

Jackie and Ethel were not motivated to run for the presidency.... Hillary is, isn't shee? Pauldg47 Nov 2015 #141

Sure Sound Like Hard Supportive Numbers For Hillary! ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #33

It's all about you isn't it Millennial? upaloopa Oct 2015 #36

In fact, it probably will come down to them. JimDandy Oct 2015 #42

Upset that Boomers are facing some spotlight competition after fifty years, upaloopa? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #56

WOW, I'm A BOOMER From Way Back! ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #113

What about for your sister or your Mom? LuvLoogie Oct 2015 #76

My Mother & Father Are Long Gone & Are Laid To Rest... n/t ChiciB1 Oct 2015 #115

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Jack Rabbit Oct 2015 #34

He's still big. It's the numbers that got small. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #35

The way the country is gerrymandered Turbineguy Oct 2015 #38

just one method prolongs the agony. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #52

The airplane and those on it Turbineguy Oct 2015 #111

This is a reprise of the same theory the German Communist Party used in the elections KingCharlemagne Oct 2015 #109

Well, I don't know about panic.... AlbertCat Oct 2015 #46

Sanders has already won. safeinOhio Oct 2015 #47

I believe too!!! Pauldg47 Oct 2015 #61

except she isn't moving left Robbins Oct 2015 #81

^^^^ True. Duppers Oct 2015 #88

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2015 #48

Thats true lol workinclasszero Oct 2015 #72

Lol! JoePhilly Oct 2015 #74

Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #54

Prime result of: libodem Oct 2015 #57

Yes i have to hand it to Trey Gowdy and his witch hunting pals workinclasszero Oct 2015 #96

As I say libodem Oct 2015 #129

For sure workinclasszero Oct 2015 #130

I fail to see any positive purpose to a polarizing post like this corkhead Oct 2015 #58

I doubt any "positive" purpose was behind it DFW Nov 2015 #167

Boom iandhr Oct 2015 #63

Can't resist can you? blackspade Oct 2015 #65

Every day I see a post saying how people are panicking over Bernie. iandhr Oct 2015 #71

Yep. Tell it like it is redstateblues Oct 2015 #78

Funny how that works eh? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #102

While I agree with you DFW Nov 2015 #166

Sorry, but all of those links lead to places on the Internet. onehandle Oct 2015 #79

She has nothing to worry about then. Can anyONE tell me if she is against the provisions in the TPP grahamhgreen Oct 2015 #82

wow, that's going to take a LOT of work to unskew!! Amimnoch Oct 2015 #87

No panic here. SoapBox Oct 2015 #90

To the banksters: "You stop that, you naughty boys." Deadshot Oct 2015 #91

I'm wondering Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #93

It reminds the populist rabble of their proper place. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #99

Indeed. Blue_In_AK Oct 2015 #103

Still my dream that Mrs. Clinton and Senator Sanders team up, NOW to be our next President & VP Sunlei Oct 2015 #98

Pass the tissue... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #101

Nyeah Nyeah, In Your Face!!! Martin Eden Oct 2015 #104

K&R! stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #117

k&r DesertRat Oct 2015 #124

IBD/TIPP just had the narrowest lead ever for Hillary in a poll without Biden, 48-33 jfern Oct 2015 #125

I have seen the video of the protest in Atlanta and as I've said before, she could have handled that Number23 Oct 2015 #127

Panic? LOL! More like strong imaginations. merrily Oct 2015 #135

Thank you for the compilation of facts regarding the current polls, Working! Cha Oct 2015 #139

No problem workinclasszero Nov 2015 #164

She's working hard for us! Cha Nov 2015 #165

So? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #142

Don't worry. We know we're fucked. So is the U.S. Nothing new. highprincipleswork Nov 2015 #143

.. Liberal_in_LA Nov 2015 #144

One speaks of pettiness more than anything else quakerboy Nov 2015 #145

Yet, many of them still think Bernie will win the nomination. The stupid here is staggering. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #154

Excellent news! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #155

Yay war! Yay banksters! Fuck the 99%!! n/t eridani Nov 2015 #159

Damnit! It looks as if we're going to win another election! Now I'm depressed. randome Nov 2015 #168

Panic? No. Gloating maybe, but that is not so widespread. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #170

If the Billionaires successfully use Citizen United (how ironic) to buy the Presidency for rhett o rick Nov 2015 #177

why does the oligarchy ever buy treestar Nov 2015 #186

I believe it was the Think (read conspiracy) Tank that figured out that if you give the people rhett o rick Nov 2015 #190

Is so the civil rights bills treestar Nov 2015 #191

I am curious. Do you ever state what your opinions are, what your stands are, or do you rhett o rick Nov 2015 #192

Answer the question. It's a conversation. treestar Nov 2015 #193

Great post Gothmog Nov 2015 #182

This is HUGH!!!!1111111 ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #185