2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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20. Only a SMALL minority of people on the left, or whatever they are,

Sun Nov 1, 2015, 05:31 PM

Nov 2015

are so very negative. Hillary is very popular among Democrats in general.

As for the crowd of Hillary haters on the right, they are only one, but a real one, of the reasons people are STILL leaving the GOP. Decent people are repelled by that degree of nastiness and the dishonesty required to support it.

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Why would we want a nominee that SO MANY PEOPLE already HATE or dislike? [View all] grasswire Nov 2015 OP

K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #1

Yeah! ChiTownDenny Nov 2015 #63

Really? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #78

The GOP has had over a decade to build up all kinds of ways to tear hillary down. Bubzer Nov 2015 #204

yeah, that's exactly what I said marym625 Nov 2015 #86

LOL! ChiTownDenny Nov 2015 #94

nope marym625 Nov 2015 #125

Something Different Happened With Obama billhicks76 Nov 2015 #194

Or he just simply sold out marym625 Nov 2015 #197

I still think a message was being sent Marty McGraw Nov 2015 #203

The Repubs have never been kind to him. They want Hillary, says Trump who saw how Bernie beats him sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #143

Why would we want a nominee that cannot garner widespread support? hack89 Nov 2015 #2

I do not believe that Hillary can garner widespread support. grasswire Nov 2015 #17

Bernie can't even garner the support of a majority of Dems hack89 Nov 2015 #40

That's the fact ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #67

This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #93

Bernie is in better shape than Obama was at this point in the race in '07 NCcoast Nov 2015 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #130

Grasswire, the fix for your weariness at Democratic leaders Hortensis Nov 2015 #43

as a bernie supporter i do not believe in "our duty to nuke Iran and Russia" hopemountain Nov 2015 #80

I was not aware Clinton had commited MyNameGoesHere Nov 2015 #108

i have a feeling from you condescending hopemountain Nov 2015 #115

That is how those MyNameGoesHere Nov 2015 #141

She did laugh about starting a war against Iran Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #148

I didn't realize you identified hard right. Of course not all Hortensis Nov 2015 #172

Based on what evidence? brooklynite Nov 2015 #44

Her belief. What more could you possibly want? randome Nov 2015 #77

I remember 2004 Du'ers claiming John Kerry was going to invade Iran if elected president. emulatorloo Nov 2015 #176

After the right wing gets through with him charlyvi Nov 2015 #100

Good point. freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #90

Right now Bernie can't even get Dem votes hack89 Nov 2015 #107

I was just agreeing with you freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #114

There was a vote? Dang! merrily Nov 2015 #181

Please don't be deliberately obtuse hack89 Nov 2015 #183

Being deliberately obtuse seems preferable to not being able to help being obtuse merrily Nov 2015 #184

ok. nt hack89 Nov 2015 #185

"So why not trust the instincts of the people supporting HRC." Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #207

Yes - because all HRC supporters are deluded idiots. We get it. nt hack89 Nov 2015 #208

Actually, I was harkening back to when the party nominated Hubert Humpfrey... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #209

ok nt hack89 Nov 2015 #210

You're making an assumption Buzz cook Nov 2015 #3

Bernie supporter agrees. nt SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #7

If you don't have haters DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #4

Exactly. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #15

Folks usually hate people they are fearful and/or envious of./nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #16

People also hate so they can justify killing, harming and oppressing others. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #35

They invented ' Citizens United ' in her honor, there are Republicans who would vote for Bernie, orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #5

Ridiculous...they are currently locked in a law suit. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #29

Did you read the post ? orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #31

Apparently took "in her honor" way too literally. merrily Nov 2015 #131

Your right, I should keep it simple . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #151

That is a hell of a sweeping generalization. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #6

Hate transfers easily HassleCat Nov 2015 #8

Yeah, because two-term President Barack Obama is universally loved. nt onehandle Nov 2015 #9

Word DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #10

The OP covered that dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #61

so the party honchos can blame the voters for not responding to their absolutely PERFECT MisterP Nov 2015 #11

Last time I checked the party honchos have one vote, just like you and me./nt DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #12

But their megaphones are vastly louder n/t Scootaloo Nov 2015 #19

Except they don't HassleCat Nov 2015 #28

I know you can't believe there's a fair playing field in this country. marym625 Nov 2015 #127

No, they get two votes. jeff47 Nov 2015 #129

What makes less sense it to vote for the lessor qualified, the presidency is not about popularity Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #13

Are we certain ejbr Nov 2015 #36

So you're saying every single Democratic office holder is a coward or sell-out? brooklynite Nov 2015 #41

Not everyone...but maybe more than many would consider n/t ejbr Nov 2015 #60

Tell me then, where will his support come in Congress to get any bills passed. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #42

so congress would not vote to pass ANY of his legislation? ejbr Nov 2015 #58

As president he will not be sponsoring bills, this is started in Congress. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #146

Like ejbr Nov 2015 #152

Do they teach civics anymore? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #182

fair enough, I digressed ejbr Nov 2015 #186

My point was without a working relationship with members of congress it is going to be difficult Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #188

Well ejbr Nov 2015 #196

Obamacare did not start in Congress. It started in the White House. Same for the New Deals, merrily Nov 2015 #180

I hate to think that HRC will get stuff passed that the Republicons like, but rhett o rick Nov 2015 #145

exactly Lazy Daisy Nov 2015 #116

cheers.. ejbr Nov 2015 #120

If teahaddist republicans do not hate you workinclasszero Nov 2015 #14

Thanks for bringing it up, comrade. "I welcome their hatred." DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #18

Exactly. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #50

It's a very different bunch of folks hating Hillary from the ones who hated FDR. Ron Green Nov 2015 #147

Yeah, I'm actually offended by the insinuation that Hillary is even 1/4 the progressive FDR was. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #202

"Welcoming hate" is a recipe for gridlock. Qutzupalotl Nov 2015 #189

Only a SMALL minority of people on the left, or whatever they are, Hortensis Nov 2015 #20

democrats need undecideds to win. every election is the same. It is a contest for the mushy middle. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #27

precisely nt grasswire Nov 2015 #30

Bernie will undoubtedly take some, but he is a "polarizing Hortensis Nov 2015 #37

No, the "mushy middle" is gone. jeff47 Nov 2015 #135

Very partial picture, Jeff47. You might toss in just how Hortensis Nov 2015 #156

"Tack to the right for the general" is standard procedure for DLC-style Democrats jeff47 Nov 2015 #159

IMO, not impressive for this season. When was the last Hortensis Nov 2015 #163

That phenomenon goes away if she wins the primary. jeff47 Nov 2015 #165

Toward center is RELATIVE, though, isn't it? Hortensis Nov 2015 #167

Which is why I keep tying the discussion to a point to measure against. jeff47 Nov 2015 #170

I understand. But remember that the past does not predict the future. Hortensis Nov 2015 #171

And platitudes are not analysis. jeff47 Nov 2015 #174

DU is a tiny sliver of the electorate redstateblues Nov 2015 #89

Democrats are 30% of the electorate. You don't win with 30%. jeff47 Nov 2015 #132

We should ask the republicans it pick our candidate? Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #21

Obama is not well liked? Compared to what? Congress? Obama trounces Congress. still_one Nov 2015 #26

Seems like common sense. Guess we want to learn the hard way. LettuceSea Nov 2015 #22

And 79% of Democrats. leftofcool Nov 2015 #25

79% of Democrats is 23.7% of the electorate. jeff47 Nov 2015 #136

Do you win with 10%? mythology Nov 2015 #144

You're the one claiming 23.7% makes her unstoppable. jeff47 Nov 2015 #160

Oh boy, another Hillary bashing thread. Soon there will be a recipricol Bernie bashing thread still_one Nov 2015 #23

The nominee will get trashed in any event eridani Nov 2015 #24

They hate her because they fear her. DCBob Nov 2015 #32

Spot on. You are the winner. riversedge Nov 2015 #91

They only hate Hillary because she's winning... Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #33

No. That's not it at all. The opposition will crawl over shards of... truebrit71 Nov 2015 #54

Let me guess..Bernie is beloved by the right? Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #191

That is a reson I didn't vote for her 2008, along with what I consider her being such Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #34

Would it be okay for Sanders to be tied into a corporation like Lockheed Martin Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #47

I am a pro-gun rights liberal and when have Democratic been anti-business except in conservative Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #56

Whether we want to believe it or not, we are all tied to corporations in different Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #66

False equivalency award merrily Nov 2015 #133

That was a topic move not a false equivalency. nt and thanks Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #142

Can be both. merrily Nov 2015 #173

Oh my... Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #38

Because so many don't... brooklynite Nov 2015 #39

Good point, lime the remark the other day aboit he never returned from his honeymoon in Russia. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #49

Alienated voters greatly outnumber Clinton haters, who for the most part-- eridani Nov 2015 #45

I know I will regret this but I feel compelled to ask. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #51

Not a single word about what she wants to achieve for those voters eridani Nov 2015 #53

Please cite the data there is this inchoate mass DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #64

What will the 63% who did not vote in 2014 do next year? You don't know, and they don't know. eridani Nov 2015 #69

Two points DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #75

There is data that 63% of eligible voters did not vote in 2014 eridani Nov 2015 #79

That is a theory in search of evidence. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #84

63% skipping voting in 2014 IS data Interviewing "likely voters" ignores them. n/t eridani Nov 2015 #95

It means take everything you've got and put it on Bernie to WIN! Elmer S. E. Dump Nov 2015 #101

Some times when I post here I feel like Pauline Kael. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #46

Just wait. "Hillary hate" will make "Obama hate" look like a day at the park. Vinca Nov 2015 #48

Excellent point ChiTownDenny Nov 2015 #73

curious... ChiTownDenny Nov 2015 #76

brackets are used by a pre-processor here for certain things. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #82

Thanks, Erich! ChiTownDenny Nov 2015 #98

We should fret when she has to win the election first. jeff47 Nov 2015 #137

I agree completely. Vinca Nov 2015 #155

Hate? Nope wendylaroux Nov 2015 #52

Republicans and Democratic Underground RandySF Nov 2015 #55

new avatar? tishaLA Nov 2015 #105

The political media is adept at making people hate other people bhikkhu Nov 2015 #57

Welcome to a lot of Ignore lists SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #59

Holy crap you are exactly right! giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #62

That's actually a great point... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #70

That's my fear: she'll literally GALVANIZE Republicans (and their media machine) against her. Beartracks Nov 2015 #65

this could be why the other candidates are hopemountain Nov 2015 #68

You know they said that back when she was running for the Senate... Historic NY Nov 2015 #71

Lazio was an utter joke of a candidate. jeff47 Nov 2015 #138

Really thats not what Open Secrets says about the 2000 campaign in fact Lazio was flushed with money Historic NY Nov 2015 #139

Objectivity compels me to give this round to you. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #162

I agree. more then half of the democrats I associate with will not vote for her. bowens43 Nov 2015 #72

Most Dems that i know are older and will vote for the nominee, whoever eridani Nov 2015 #88

I wonder that myself. 99Forever Nov 2015 #74

That hate group is fickle... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #81

You got a nominee that is univerally liked? TexasProgresive Nov 2015 #83

Swing states/Uncommitted/Independents Babel_17 Nov 2015 #85

LOL trumad Nov 2015 #87

I absolutely agree. SoapBox Nov 2015 #92

yeah, abe lincoln was a terrible choice. unblock Nov 2015 #96

Do you actually think BS would not be just as hated and reviled by the right wing as HRC? charlyvi Nov 2015 #97

Whenever I heard her speak . . . DrBulldog Nov 2015 #99

It will be a case of "hold my nose," but not for the most obvious reasons DissidentVoice Nov 2015 #102

while I understand your sentiment passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #103

The problem with the original question is that whoever the Democrats nominate BillZBubb Nov 2015 #104

well-reasoned, subtle argument tishaLA Nov 2015 #106

Agree Lazy Daisy Nov 2015 #110

Was expecting a Trump post. madamesilverspurs Nov 2015 #111

Lolwhut? shenmue Nov 2015 #112

I don't Hate Hillary yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #113

But Beowulf42 Nov 2015 #117

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #118

They will never admit it - 840high Nov 2015 #119

Another fact free post from the Sanders id contingent on DU GitRDun Nov 2015 #121

I cannot *WAIT* for the primaries to be over. Aerows Nov 2015 #122

You sent me an insulting PM for rec'ing an OP you didn't like. msanthrope Nov 2015 #190

If telling you I respect your intelligence Aerows Nov 2015 #193

How about you reprint the PM in its entirety? msanthrope Nov 2015 #198

I sent it to you. Aerows Nov 2015 #200

Isn't forging a new direction the soul of being Progressive? NCcoast Nov 2015 #123

Amen. RiverLover Nov 2015 #150

Because she's not a socialist running as a Democrat. Gman Nov 2015 #124

if a candidate can't beat someone that is so hated what does it matter JI7 Nov 2015 #126

Clearly, so they can hand the WH to the GOP... Chan790 Nov 2015 #128

ugh grasswire Nov 2015 #140

You are tired of the leader of your party being the object of hatred, meaning Obama... Moonwalk Nov 2015 #134

The liability is not as HUGE as you would like it to be. She also has vastly more supporters Lil Missy Nov 2015 #149

as someone not on good terms with Hillary DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #153

Hillary supporters think it is only very severe Conservatives that hate her. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #154

In other words, 50+ % of Democratic Party voters are Third Way DINOs? brooklynite Nov 2015 #187

Sanders limited support isn't because he is hated. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #157

Warren. Sanders. Clinton. CobaltBlue Nov 2015 #158

I skirt around in many many Groups off DU glinda Nov 2015 #161

People will turn out to vote AGAINST Sanders in the same way Tarc Nov 2015 #164

We should pick some one the GOP likes so they won't be so mean!!!!! JoePhilly Nov 2015 #166

Maybe we should just let Rush Limbaugh pick out a democratic candidate? workinclasszero Nov 2015 #168

I try not to let thoughts like this worry me. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #169

Because the candidate is a woman ...and a Clinton. Silly! L0oniX Nov 2015 #175

Get real, you are naive if you think Adelson/Koch/Rove etc will play nice with Bernie. emulatorloo Nov 2015 #177

Because what other people love/hate doesn't mean shit to me? cheapdate Nov 2015 #178

Any Democratic will do LynnTTT Nov 2015 #179

Nailed It billhicks76 Nov 2015 #192

Then why be afraid of her. She should lose to Bernie if all that you say is true. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #195

Let's focus on the issues. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #199

BECAUSE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT... Indepatriot Nov 2015 #201

Bad question lark Nov 2015 #205

4 More Years!!!.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #206

BECAUSE SHE CAN WIN!! nt Herman4747 Nov 2015 #211

You know who DOESN'T hate her? brooklynite Nov 2015 #212

There will be a Republican war on ANY Democrat who wins the election. BigDemVoter Nov 2015 #213

A few people hate her a lot. But she is most admired woman in US 17 times. McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #214

A lot of folks hated FDR. That did not stop him being elected 4 times. McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #215