2016 Postmortem

sheshe2

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162. Cool...

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 02:11 AM

Nov 2015

Runs on our ticket and takes all the advantages. Refuses to call himself one.

And~

Introducing Bernie Sanders the Hypocrite
Aug 15, 2015 6:50am PDT by Dave in AZ

Just 9 years ago Bernie won the Vermont Democratic primary for the 2006 Senate race as a write-in candidate — there was no serious opposition — but he declined to accept the nomination. Why? Because he's always insisted he is NOT a Democrat. In fact, he has said that it would be hypocritical of him to run as a Democrat:

"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."

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- Rep. Barney Frank

In a recent interview with Politico Sanders was asked that since he was running for the Democratic nomination for President why not become a Democrat? He wouldn't answer the question, responding instead with:

"I’m running for the Democratic nomination. I will meet all the regulations and requirements. I look forward to doing that."

That, Bernie, is what we call dodging the question.

In a Presidential election the entire slate of Democratic candidates run as a team, From President to U.S. Senate and House candidate to Governors and state legislators. And that Democratic team is vitally important in 2016. We need to win back the Senate. We need to win dozens and dozens of House seats and put a serious dent in Boehner's House of Cards. We need to win Governorships and state legislatures so Republicans can't gerrymander the crap out of things in 2020. Will Bernie care anything about that? No, I think it's very clear that Bernie is running for himself, he's been doing that for 30+ years. I honestly just don't trust him and his motives. After all, it was Bernie himself who said it would be "hypocritical" of him to run as a Democrat. I'll take him at his word.

- The quotes and other information is from the Politico article: Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns?

Read More http://m.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/15/1409803/-Introducing-Bernie-Sanders-the-Hypocrite

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Bernie, "I am not a Democrat" [View all] Sheepshank Nov 2015 OP

K & R Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #1

How else could we get wars passed? nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #2

Bernie will just use drones.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #5

But in a more restrained & limited manner, less than Obama. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #13

Safety Drones!!! Freedom Drones!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #16

Hillary never saw a military engagement she didn't like. 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #73

Just right drones! redstateblues Nov 2015 #83

Socialism drones? No. Not those. I know. Safety NET drones. bravenak Nov 2015 #130

An easy focus point to put torch to his feet on because the areas are few as I can recall TheKentuckian Nov 2015 #165

At least we can just stop pretending he would never do anything war like. bravenak Nov 2015 #166

I don't know where that claim is being pretended JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #169

Well there is your reason to like him. bahrbearian Nov 2015 #174

Drones are better than boots on the ground. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #25

He said he would put boots on the ground. nt sheshe2 Nov 2015 #90

In Syria? Link? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #115

No... sheshe2 Nov 2015 #121

So do you agree with boots on the ground in Syria? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #124

Yes, his words. nt sheshe2 Nov 2015 #86

I wish we all had the same facts.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #99

Exactly. I do not think they know him very well.nt bravenak Nov 2015 #128

Jump in there, by those who vote to bomb and by who vote for military action. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #44

Some people laugh at the thought of more killing: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #119

+1000! tecelote Nov 2015 #168

Ouch~ sheshe2 Nov 2015 #131

Keep telling yourself the killing doesn't matter. tecelote Nov 2015 #66

BS is no better than anyone else. In fact Hilary is the best one running for President. Cha Nov 2015 #152

Autumn,"I am not a Democrat". Autumn Nov 2015 #3

+1 n/t ejbr Nov 2015 #10

But for others to posture and pout when others say Bernie is not a Dem Sheepshank Nov 2015 #11

To make this an "issue" is silly and doesn't serve the espoused purposes of the Democratic Party 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #17

He has the label of Democrat now and the head of the Democratic party says he is a Democrat Autumn Nov 2015 #20

Reliable maybe...but he is and never will be a Democrat Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #191

I vote for the one who best represents my interests n/t Autumn Nov 2015 #192

Then throw him out of the party aspirant Nov 2015 #195

+ 1,000,000,000 - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #32

I have a number of close friends doing just that this election. Paka Nov 2015 #87

I switched after over 40 years a Democrat. Jamie Dimon whipping votes on Obamas behalf Autumn Nov 2015 #141

Those who are supporting Bernie won't care about endorsements. pacalo Nov 2015 #4

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Misterhighwasted... pacalo Nov 2015 #68

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You really need to learn more about Bernie. pacalo Nov 2015 #78

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Blanket statements are a dime a dozen. pacalo Nov 2015 #104

Uuuum~ sheshe2 Nov 2015 #138

Oh my. pacalo Nov 2015 #143

Mister is my friend. I know them well. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #146

It wasn't meant to be rude. pacalo Nov 2015 #147

I am sure you do not have bona fide... sheshe2 Nov 2015 #149

Oh, brother. n/t pacalo Nov 2015 #150

This is why I felt that The Peter Principle fit so well. bravenak Nov 2015 #132

It does indeed! juajen Nov 2015 #159

a demi god perhaps? redstateblues Nov 2015 #85

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Oh oh! Human101948 Nov 2015 #179

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You might dislike him. But he aint for sale. Armstead Nov 2015 #71

" he'd have become a waffler and a Corporate Toady and a ConservaDem a long time ago ..." < If he jtuck004 Nov 2015 #125

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President Sanders actually walks with the people. Flip flops, sandals, tennis shoes- the shoes don't jtuck004 Nov 2015 #184

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Yeah, he is for sale but not to the highest bidder bahrbearian Nov 2015 #172

He is not a Democrat. bravenak Nov 2015 #6

He is the true Democrat as he follows all Democratic principles Dr. Doolittle Nov 2015 #9

Lol. No. bravenak Nov 2015 #12

Please expand further on why you don't think Bernie espouses true Democratic principles Dr. Doolittle Nov 2015 #15

The Democratic Pary was the party of Slavery. No. He does not stick to Democratic principles. bravenak Nov 2015 #18

I find it fascinating that people think just believing in elections VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #35

This is fabulously stupid!! I love it. bravenak Nov 2015 #160

I'm gonna steal your 'fabulously stupid!!' You made me ROTFLMAO! n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #200

Yes! Steal it!!nt bravenak Nov 2015 #203

Things change... tecelote Nov 2015 #69

Since they've taught their voters all that is evil, it should be posted at all GOP meetings! freshwest Nov 2015 #201

... ColesCountyDem Nov 2015 #30

Welcome to DU! zappaman Nov 2015 #133

Hillary supporters are out alerting in full force tonight, 0-7 that's gotta hurt. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 #24

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Yep. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #151

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"their loyalty goes back generations", shame that doesn't apply to Hillary either. Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #93

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Says who? Someone supporting an Independent VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #171

The vetting includes his no voter on the Iraq War eridani Nov 2015 #27

It includes everything. bravenak Nov 2015 #34

How does Clinton attract the 63% who did not vote in 2014? eridani Nov 2015 #48

Nobody attracts them. bravenak Nov 2015 #100

He refers to himself as a "Democratic Socialist". I mean, the root word "Democrat" BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #163

This is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT the way I see it. bravenak Nov 2015 #164

Thanks to VanillaRhapsody's explanation of Democratic Socialist and Social Democrat - which, BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #167

Real Democrat's vote for War, hang around Kissinger. bahrbearian Nov 2015 #173

Neither is hillary...so what? bowens43 Nov 2015 #7

LOL! artislife Nov 2015 #14

Where are we supposed to go sign up for the yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #29

Bingo! deutsey Nov 2015 #45

*SNAP* Triana Nov 2015 #52

That's what I was gonna post Hydra Nov 2015 #92

So what? HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #8

You are so right...so what if Bernie is not a Dem? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #23

Since the leaders of the democratic party say he Autumn Nov 2015 #41

Nope...thenDNC has never said that Bernie is a Dem..and neither has Bernie Sheepshank Nov 2015 #43

All I found was this from DWS Autumn Nov 2015 #56

As I'd said before somewhere on DU today Sheepshank Nov 2015 #62

Polite, gracious and courteous and obviously a liar in your books if she's calling Bernie a democrat Autumn Nov 2015 #113

The point is that she avoids making any such claim. Read it again. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #116

I read it n/t Autumn Nov 2015 #120

Your bolding sheshe2 Nov 2015 #157

Saying one is a democrat doesn't make one a democrat. Autumn Nov 2015 #158

Cool... sheshe2 Nov 2015 #162

So anyone from any party is eligible to run in a Democratic party primary? Autumn Nov 2015 #189

your point?? DianeK Nov 2015 #19

A Bernie supporter says they have been following me around for 2 days Sheepshank Nov 2015 #36

Because, lord knows we aren't accustom to Democrats who vote against Democratic issues. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #21

I dont think Bernie has the temperament to be POTUS either. moobu2 Nov 2015 #22

Sure, much better to have a duplicitous POTUS Joe Turner Nov 2015 #42

You *do* know that the U.S. president doesn't have the powers of a dictator, right? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #154

Hillary is too vague and indecisive to be POTUS Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #155

It is remarkable someone who loves to bash Democrats and refuses to call himself a Democrat.. DCBob Nov 2015 #26

He loves the stuff in the Dem party platform a lot more than many Ds n/t eridani Nov 2015 #28

If he is so in love with the Dem party platform he should call himself a Democrat. DCBob Nov 2015 #33

Isn't it, though? NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #106

i still don't get the point.. DianeK Nov 2015 #31

Then you haven't opened your eyes to Bernie..this is all about his ego. Nt Sheepshank Nov 2015 #37

You need to open -your- eyes, this is all about him standing Up for People amongst a purchased DC. RiverLover Nov 2015 #67

ANYONE....anyone who runs for office....has ego... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #38

In today's political world Joe Turner Nov 2015 #39

Big Deal....to some. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #40

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Typing lessons, please. jkbRN Nov 2015 #49

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Yes, you may benefit for some lessons. Nt Sheepshank Nov 2015 #54

Lol, aw, jkbRN Nov 2015 #55

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This narrative is old, jkbRN Nov 2015 #47

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My friends don't insult me, so you can exclude that platitude in the future. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #59

Why not this time? Oh, wait, you are attempting to use another talking point LOL sad. jkbRN Nov 2015 #112

Really....do tell about these numerous bills. And even more importantly..... Sheepshank Nov 2015 #142

Ah, I didn't know you were incapable of doing your own reseach, jkbRN Nov 2015 #144

As I said Bills introduced and passed...poor poor record Sheepshank Nov 2015 #145

Wow, I haven't read about this bullshit here for hours. nt. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #50

I remember the good old days when it was just Republicans that put party before principle. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #58

According to that article Bernie made that statement in the early 90s. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #60

Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns? workinclasszero Nov 2015 #61

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted before Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #122

LOL! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #126

I posted it before but as you can imagine workinclasszero Nov 2015 #135

This is the kind of stuff that will drive the remaining "undecided" voters toward Hillary. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #181

Just how does one become a member of the Democratic Party? Rilgin Nov 2015 #64

I don't think it's by making the statement "I am not a Democrat". Sheepshank Nov 2015 #65

Right, snark and no answer Rilgin Nov 2015 #72

The answer is in the filing requirements of each state. But candidates need to declare ucrdem Nov 2015 #74

You think he did not declare when he submitted forms to run as a Democratic Party Candidate? Rilgin Nov 2015 #79

In 25 years he hasn't yet declared as a Democrat in VT or any other state that I'm aware of. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #80

Vermont is the only state in which his declaration matters and he has declared in the only way merrily Nov 2015 #82

He has several options including Democrat per 17 V.S.A. �2356: ucrdem Nov 2015 #91

He's done it. Suggesting otherwise would be ze loco, no, mon ami? merrily Nov 2015 #101

He's filed, yes , but never declared as a Dem to my knowledge. nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #107

Yes, he did and your knowledge has nothing to do with Vermont law. merrily Nov 2015 #110

He filed in Arkansas today according to another post Rilgin Nov 2015 #197

You would be wrong. Rilgin Nov 2015 #108

Great. How about a link? nt ucrdem Nov 2015 #109

Here are some links and further points. Rilgin Nov 2015 #196

As of Oct. 28, he hadn't filed in NH: ucrdem Nov 2015 #114

You are correct with regard to New Hamshire as of now. Rilgin Nov 2015 #148

If you believe that, then "Democrat" is nothing more to you than a team to root for. Bonobo Nov 2015 #70

So what. He's running as one. Get over it. corkhead Nov 2015 #77

You got it all wrong, mate. I'm over the fact that he's on the Dem ticket as an Independent. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #94

If he wins the Democratic primary, he will be the Democratic nominee jfern Nov 2015 #105

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You keep telling yourself that jfern Nov 2015 #129

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If Hilaary was honest with voters INdemo Nov 2015 #84

The OP got nowhere on another thread, so he or she started a new one, all the while insisting merrily Nov 2015 #88

Glad to see you followed me over here Sheepshank Nov 2015 #96

Nope, I didn't notice and I didn't follow you. Got here out of Latest Threads. Haven't read all the merrily Nov 2015 #98

Vermont election law requires major, minor, Independent, or self-named party affiliation: ucrdem Nov 2015 #95

That's a great back up info...thanks Sheepshank Nov 2015 #139

Of course you didnt follow the link to the forms page for what that means. Rilgin Nov 2015 #198

That year, Bernie was one of 6 founders of the Congressional Progressive Caucus jfern Nov 2015 #103

Neither is the head of the Democratic Governors Association ibegurpard Nov 2015 #111

in labels, no; in policy, yes--and that's the crux of his appeal MisterP Nov 2015 #118

Ahhh, I love the smell of stone-cold desperation on a cool autumn evening... AzDar Nov 2015 #123

When the DNC and DWS throw Bernie out of the party aspirant Nov 2015 #127

How can someone who isn't a democrat be thrown out of the party? workinclasszero Nov 2015 #134

Thrown out is unwelcome in Dem debates and on Dem state ballots, aspirant Nov 2015 #136

He isn't being thrown out of anything. Does the paranoia ever end? RBInMaine Nov 2015 #170

I glad you agree he's running as a Dem aspirant Nov 2015 #175

He is running on the dem ticket. He is not a democrat. boston bean Nov 2015 #210

gooble gobble frylock Nov 2015 #140

Maybe just because he isn't a Dem isn't the only reason BS doesn't have many endorsements from Cha Nov 2015 #153

He is actually more of a Democrat than many of the so called Democrats in Congress Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #156

We must all be labeled according to some here. No thanks. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #161

If the Democratic Party doesn't want Bernie to run under their banner, they should say so. Vinca Nov 2015 #176

No one said that political expediency should be ignored Sheepshank Nov 2015 #180

He's running as a Democratic Socialist on the Dem Ticket aspirant Nov 2015 #185

I have already proven plenty on this thread. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #186

Secret Strategy remains unproven aspirant Nov 2015 #187

see, you still don't get it. I really don't care that I's are running on the Dem ticket Sheepshank Nov 2015 #188

Bernie is a Dem running on the Dem ticket, if you think he is a pretender aspirant Nov 2015 #190

so you are still completely missing the point Sheepshank Nov 2015 #193

You again have no point aspirant Nov 2015 #194

Personally - I Am Tired Of Being An Afterthought To The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Party Establishment cantbeserious Nov 2015 #177

Hey, if a pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-H1B Visas woman can be a Democrat ... Scuba Nov 2015 #178

Hillry changed her party too wendylaroux Nov 2015 #202

In a way. She was never old enough to vote when she switched parties. Of course he could switch Sheepshank Nov 2015 #205

he has always voted with the democrats though, wendylaroux Nov 2015 #206

Not always...mostly Sheepshank Nov 2015 #208

According to Jeff Weaver his campaign Manager Bernie is registered with the Democratic Party LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #204

Would certainly be nice if Bernie himself would clear this up, until then..... Sheepshank Nov 2015 #207

Sanders could not register in Vermont as a member of the Democratic Party. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #209

The first link in supplied had Bernie mentioning that he would register as a Dem Sheepshank Nov 2015 #211

Neither was Teddy Roosevelt or Eisenhower. Smart Brother Nov 2015 #212