2016 Postmortem

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)

17. I don't call it revisionist history. I call it lies.

Reply to Vattel (Original post)

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 08:13 PM

Nov 2015

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

110 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Please, no more revisionsist history about Clinton's IWR vote [View all] Vattel Nov 2015 OP

I saw the one where she voted for it just to get the inspectors in Autumn Nov 2015 #1

That level of dishonesty about a war vote is dishonorable beyond words. merrily Nov 2015 #4

No honest person who is old enough to post on a message board Autumn Nov 2015 #9

And then, there are some of the posts on this very thread. merrily Nov 2015 #30

Yes it it very dishonorable. n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #24

Bush wasn't required to do jack shit Armstead Nov 2015 #2

Summaries for Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 saturnsring Nov 2015 #3

You should read the full resolution. The summary is less clear. Vattel Nov 2015 #10

"This is the Tonkin Gulf resolution all over again" - Robert Byrd jfern Nov 2015 #5

this stuff is mind blowing marym625 Nov 2015 #6

In one of his videos, Ben Ladin said he made up his mind to strike us when he saw the merrily Nov 2015 #34

I would hate us. marym625 Nov 2015 #92

I am surprised we have been as fortunate as we have. merrily Nov 2015 #95

I know people that have moved out of the US and renounced their citizenship marym625 Nov 2015 #108

That's what I call a statement. merrily Nov 2015 #110

Hillary did not simply vote to authorize the invasion, which would have been bad enough. merrily Nov 2015 #7

good point! Vattel Nov 2015 #8

Specifically she said that there was a Saddam Al Qaeda connection jfern Nov 2015 #32

ty 840high Nov 2015 #38

She didn't just vote for it. She pounded the drums on the floor of the Senate. Scuba Nov 2015 #11

I very much doubt she thought that speech would sway the vote of a Senator. merrily Nov 2015 #31

Bingo! Scuba Nov 2015 #50

It's amazing the turds some people will try to polish up, after the fact. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #12

There's really no way to apologize for it, either. Unnumbered Iraqis injured, killed, merrily Nov 2015 #25

You don't have to tell me. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #44

Yes, ludicrous and shameful, like some of the posts on this very thread. merrily Nov 2015 #45

Text of Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 saturnsring Nov 2015 #13

That's better. Vattel Nov 2015 #14

i just wanted to post it so people can read it saturnsring Nov 2015 #18

Yes, I assumed so. Thanks. Vattel Nov 2015 #37

What I remember is that in 2002 shortly before the mid-terms, madinmaryland Nov 2015 #15

Hillary wasn't up for election for 4 years, she had no excuse about the immediate election jfern Nov 2015 #33

The political climate was completely different in 2002 than it is now or even in 2008. madinmaryland Nov 2015 #36

Back then far too many who voted for the Iraq War tried to claim SheilaT Nov 2015 #16

I don't call it revisionist history. I call it lies. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #17

That's just because it is. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #55

And she can't wash that blood off of her hands... Yurovsky Nov 2015 #86

It makes no sense to me. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #91

Bush was elected a second term even after his R B Garr Nov 2015 #19

I think it is important to correct the record. You are free to disagree. Vattel Nov 2015 #22

His "malfeasance" was exposed to political junkies, the ones who post on message boards and merrily Nov 2015 #28

OMFG seriously keep this up, the sermonizing R B Garr Nov 2015 #35

I'm not having any trouble with selective memory, telling the truth or assessing morality of a bad merrily Nov 2015 #39

Ugh, the pious dishonesty is a waste of time. R B Garr Nov 2015 #56

Um you did the same thing in Reply 35. The difference is I posted some support from my statements. merrily Nov 2015 #57

YOUR emotions are not support. R B Garr Nov 2015 #60

I posted links and info. If posting emotions is possible at all, it's more your area than mine. merrily Nov 2015 #62

You edited then, what a croc R B Garr Nov 2015 #63

Now you're just making up stuff about what my prior posts said. Good thing everyone can read them. merrily Nov 2015 #65

What a joke. You got caught being R B Garr Nov 2015 #72

Bush was never elected Hydra Nov 2015 #46

LOL, now I'm "defending" R B Garr Nov 2015 #59

Lol Hydra Nov 2015 #64

Typical nonsense. Too silly to take seriously R B Garr Nov 2015 #77

If IWR was a vote for war, why was IRAQ invaded by Hans Blix and the U.N. Weapons Inspectors BlueStateLib Nov 2015 #20

Do you disagree with something I wrote? If so, please specify. Vattel Nov 2015 #21

And your point is? Read the AUMF. It counts a hell of a lot more than the ass-covering bloviation merrily Nov 2015 #27

Come on, who are you trying to kid. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #48

Bernie showed more wisdom than any one of those senators, even JDPriestly Nov 2015 #61

To answer your question: Martin Eden Nov 2015 #93

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #23

That vote, which she cast no doubt thinking of her own political future, lost her the last election. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #26

I hope so. 840high Nov 2015 #40

The UN weapons inspectors in Iraq at the time were shouting from the rooftops "There are no WMD" AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #29

Someone posted today that Clinton 840high Nov 2015 #41

She has compassion when it polls high AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #43

Her vote aligned with the wishes of PNAC, the DLC and its kin, the Progressive Policy Institute. merrily Nov 2015 #54

There were no weapons inspectors in Iraq until after IWR and UN Sec Res 1441. That's what those stevenleser Nov 2015 #66

The weapons inspectors were thrown out of iraq on the eve of the invasion AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #68

That's correct. They were admitted after IWR and UN Sec Res 1441 and were thrown out shortly stevenleser Nov 2015 #69

She is indulging in political CYA by claiming it was a "mistake". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #42

and it requires EVERYONE to overlook her husbands daily briefings reddread Nov 2015 #85

The excuse is Saddam wouldn't have cooperated without a real threat.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #47

The problem with your thinking is, that is exactly what was talked about at the time. stevenleser Nov 2015 #67

Not by me.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #70

Yes, France voted for UN Sec Res 1441 within two weeks of IWR for the same purpose stevenleser Nov 2015 #71

That was a talking point of the time that Bush invaded to enforce 1441.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #73

It was the text of the Resolution and France and Russia had a part in the negotiations about it. stevenleser Nov 2015 #74

They supported INSPECTIONS. Not INVASIONS Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #75

Correct. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #76

Her 20 minute speech on the Senate floor proves that she knew that Bush would use it. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #79

The point is she thought it was the right thing to do until it was the wrong thing to do. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #81

Britain was already bombing radar installations in Northern Iraq in early August of 2002. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #82

At least we know she didn't do it for the money.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #83

Ha! That's a good one! Yurovsky Nov 2015 #88

Let's face it. Bernie was exceptional in the thought process and JDPriestly Nov 2015 #49

wow, very well-said Vattel Nov 2015 #53

Millions of people took to the streets to protest the Iraq Invasion Maedhros Nov 2015 #51

Scott Ritter BlueStateLib Nov 2015 #80

You want they should lay off revisionist history from 12 years ago? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #52

I heard she voted for the Iraq war to stop a federal marriage amendment portlander23 Nov 2015 #58

Yes Bush was given a blank check with the AUMF, it authorized using military force of which only one Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #78

The OP is about the Iraq War Resolution. More than one person voted against it. Vattel Nov 2015 #100

I heard it was to stop even worse war bill from being passed azurnoir Nov 2015 #84

Yeah, that's the ticket! Yurovsky Nov 2015 #87

This again? It doesn't appear that this is having the effect that Bernie's followers expect. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #89

Ikr? I wish certain Hillary supporters would stop distorting the record, Vattel Nov 2015 #90

Hillary supporters are turning a blind eye to a critically important issue. Martin Eden Nov 2015 #94

So, don't vote for her then. Your conscience will be clear. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #97

In matters of conscience the law of majority has no place. Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #98

How can you vote for her in good conscience? Martin Eden Nov 2015 #99

Well � NurseJackie Nov 2015 #101

Well ... Martin Eden Nov 2015 #103

You misunderstood. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #104

I do agree ... Martin Eden Nov 2015 #105

Thank you for the conversation. I enjoyed chatting with you. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #106

Thanks, at least it was fairly civil (even if nothing was accomplished). n/t Martin Eden Nov 2015 #107

or opening them either Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #96

And they knew it HassleCat Nov 2015 #102

So what. Dem2 Nov 2015 #109