2016 Postmortem

Historic NY

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42. You use FDR Democrats as if you actually know what it is.....

Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:01 PM

Nov 2015

FDR came from a Republican family line....but he wanted more than to be that typical Republican as their shadow was fading. In his home county its was dominated with Republicans, him running as a Democrat gave him pull with the Democrats in his district. He went against Tammany Hall and supported Wilson the progressive that took us into WWI. He tried running against the Democrat Part and found he couldn't go anywhere. He eventually supported AL Smith as Gov. and then after becoming President packed his administration with Republicans & Democratic progressives. Roosevelt was bashed at many times as he waffled in and out of being a Democrat through his life......its a could chance FDR Democrats were much like what we called Reagan Democrats...

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Has anyone noticed this shift in thinking about Clinton from Sanders folks? [View all] brooklynite Nov 2015 OP

I'm a Bernie supporter and I don't say that TexasBushwhacker Nov 2015 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #58

If she isn't a Democrat, does that make O'Malley the only true Democrat in the race? LonePirate Nov 2015 #2

Very interesting point. Koinos Nov 2015 #55

I agree. Aerows Nov 2015 #60

Hillary ran to the right of Obama. She's a Dem all right, but the Dem party has gone too far Bonobo Nov 2015 #3

That's the opinion I share. FLson Nov 2015 #28

You're not suggesting Trump as president would be a good thing, are you? thucythucy Nov 2015 #46

Trump would be very very very very very very very bad. FLson Nov 2015 #50

Trump would be horrible Aerows Nov 2015 #54

Yes, this! TDale313 Nov 2015 #32

Those aren't tied together. JimDandy Nov 2015 #4

It's bullshit, is what it is. MineralMan Nov 2015 #5

Whoooooosh... Fumesucker Nov 2015 #24

PLENTY of them, MM. I agree. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #81

Hummm, interesting, huh. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #107

Very. Yes, very, Thinkingabout. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #110

Bullshit, astroturfing and pretenders. Autumn Nov 2015 #82

What did Gandhi say? First they laugh at you then they fight you, then you win. They're fighting us stevenleser Nov 2015 #90

*mic drop* eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #111

Yes Goldman Sachs and Time Warner are such persecuted radicals Armstead Nov 2015 #150

I've definitely noticed the demonization R B Garr Nov 2015 #6

No. I hadn't noticed. But what I have noticed 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #7

Here's the link to a Bernie supporter saying Hillary is not a Democrat: Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #10

I guess I asked for it, and predicted it, as well 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #15

He is far and away from FDR, FDR lead this nation out of a depression and fought a war. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #109

A post, created today = "Bernie supporters, all month" Scootaloo Nov 2015 #41

It's been WAY longer than a month actually. See post 97. nt MADem Nov 2015 #99

How about right there in the #3 position on GD:P brooklynite Nov 2015 #11

Will this do? OilemFirchen Nov 2015 #12

As I said above, this is how I predicted it: she's "not an FDR Dem" 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #17

That is at the very best an overly charitable reading on your mythology Nov 2015 #33

Here's what I said upstring 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #44

I doubt either FDR or JFK would pass the litmus test of some of these posters here. thucythucy Nov 2015 #53

REALLY! What a honking load of revisionist horseshit some of that nonsense is! MADem Nov 2015 #89

Are you replying to me? thucythucy Nov 2015 #170

Isn't it a pain in the ass that it's hard to tell "tone" sometimes with the written word? MADem Nov 2015 #175

You use FDR Democrats as if you actually know what it is..... Historic NY Nov 2015 #42

Thank you, HNY. eom BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #115

Thanks for your opinion... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #125

What kind of answer it that.... Historic NY Nov 2015 #136

How about proving your... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #171

It is called a state of denial. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #8

I've always held pinebox Nov 2015 #9

I have noticed it mcar Nov 2015 #13

They had to move the goal posts workinclasszero Nov 2015 #14

Well, just like Senator Sanders, Bernie supporters are just pointing out the truth... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #16

that's a lOt of people in the 1 percent JI7 Nov 2015 #20

The author of this thread... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #26

And the 50 plus percent of Democrats supporting Clinton are what? mythology Nov 2015 #34

That's a good question... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #36

Tell me what I am please since I am not a good Democrat. upaloopa Nov 2015 #61

Well, a real Democrat... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #63

Try post #42. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #113

Im so sick of this Bernista lie workinclasszero Nov 2015 #159

Who are you to decide who is a "real" Democrat? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #176

Just pure unadulterated bull shit. upaloopa Nov 2015 #56

To the nth degree. And offensive to Hillary Clinton's Democratic supporters, as well. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #123

Yes,it seems most actual democrats aren't real democrats now,either that sufrommich Nov 2015 #18

Some Sanders folks. Not me. Not others. onenote Nov 2015 #19

Nope jfern Nov 2015 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Nov 2015 #22

For an explanation DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #23

How many "Bernie isn't a Democrat!!!" posts have we had? nt Bonobo Nov 2015 #25

^This Hydra Nov 2015 #31

And that is another shift worth noting! Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #139

He caucuses with the Democrats but he has expressly avoided mythology Nov 2015 #35

What exactly do you think running for the democratic nomination means? Alittleliberal Nov 2015 #71

That would be because he isn't a Democrat. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #47

Not enough Renew Deal Nov 2015 #64

But he's NOT a Democrat, and he'll be the first person to tell you so. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #120

I'm not saying anything about Bernie; just about his supporters. brooklynite Nov 2015 #149

Good thing those nasty supporters aren't running for president. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #157

and those are just as fucking stupid joshcryer Nov 2015 #191

They see him losing. bravenak Nov 2015 #27

Preemptive strike. Cha Nov 2015 #143

Bernie says "I am not a Democrat" Sheepshank Nov 2015 #29

He's a Democratic Socialist who has caucused with the Dems for years. TDale313 Nov 2015 #38

But there is not an active Democratic Socialist party primary he is running, he is running in the Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #116

It's a topic of conversation at salons Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #30

Is it, Brooklynite? Do tell. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #37

Not really a concern to those of us who aren't Democrats. frylock Nov 2015 #39

Since the person Aerows Nov 2015 #51

Seems there is nothing new to say about Sanders. All they can do is post bull shit OP's about upaloopa Nov 2015 #40

What in the hell is a "real Democrat"? One with a (D) tattooed on his forehead? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #43

Yep. Rahm Emanuel, Terry Mcauliffe, Diane Feinstein, Joe Lieberman, Max baucus had 'D' tattoos. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #155

No. n/t That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #45

Yeah, the attacks are become more personal and vituperative. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #48

No. Aerows Nov 2015 #49

I have no objection to any of Bernie's policies... brooklynite Nov 2015 #52

fwiw, i still think she can't win restorefreedom Nov 2015 #57

So when does reality set in? upaloopa Nov 2015 #62

i am well grounded in reality restorefreedom Nov 2015 #67

nothing new noiretextatique Nov 2015 #59

Sanders is trying to be like Democrats, we are what we are, I am not far left. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #117

Yes. lovemydog Nov 2015 #65

I first met her when he was barely a candidate, I've always been fine with her. Until this week. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #66

Yes Renew Deal Nov 2015 #68

I dunno, it's hard to see through all the "Sanders supporters are white supremacist, volvo driving Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #69

Well, it's been kind of hard to miss. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #70

So why not name a few DU members you have questions about? bvf Nov 2015 #72

It's against the rules. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #74

No shit. You knew that going in. bvf Nov 2015 #76

But you knew that going into your line of questioning, lovemydog Nov 2015 #78

Do you have a gavel? bvf Nov 2015 #86

A metaphorical one. lovemydog Nov 2015 #88

Then feel free to alert. bvf Nov 2015 #95

LOL, thanks. lovemydog Nov 2015 #105

So that's what certain commenters were doing... senz Nov 2015 #128

Yeppurs, I knew that going in. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #79

Your convictions have *everything* to do with it. bvf Nov 2015 #93

My tenure? NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #96

Your statement is yours to back up. bvf Nov 2015 #102

Lighten up, Francis. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #119

You are not Sgt. Hulka. bvf Nov 2015 #122

And there we have it. Agschmid Nov 2015 #121

I was commenting on ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #124

Well, that's chuckle-worthy. bvf Nov 2015 #127

Oh, yes, of course ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #130

I wasn't the one saying, "Huh?" bvf Nov 2015 #132

Why? NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #133

Heh. bvf Nov 2015 #135

She has nothing to apologize for Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #148

I was thinking folks in glass houses........ Puglover Nov 2015 #161

Your post stood TSIAS Nov 2015 #114

Thanks on both counts. n/t bvf Nov 2015 #126

You're being alert-stalked here. closeupready Nov 2015 #172

Are you talking about this one... TeeYiYi Nov 2015 #178

Bingo. closeupready Nov 2015 #180

Thanks, and thanks to TYY for the details. n/t bvf Nov 2015 #189

Probably those roving bands of renegade alert-stalking Sanders supporters I keep reading about. frylock Nov 2015 #193

Doing so is a ToS violation ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #83

Was that poster banned? bvf Nov 2015 #98

Nope. Still posting ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #145

It's like a kid ringing your doorbell lovemydog Nov 2015 #103

LOL ... No the kid has the SAME costume on ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #147

LOL! lovemydog Nov 2015 #185

I also noticed it with the seven-year bashing lovemydog Nov 2015 #80

Well, it's no coincidence ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #87

Indeed. lovemydog Nov 2015 #91

Yeah, yeah... bvf Nov 2015 #118

Then of course they deny the hell out of it .. for some reason. Guess they think it makes them Cha Nov 2015 #142

Impossible to miss, actually. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #131

I understand what you're saying lovemydog Nov 2015 #138

VanillaRhapsody and DemocratSinceBirth wrote excellent posts on the difference between BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #169

With all due respect, that's inaccurate. lovemydog Nov 2015 #184

With all due respect, I disagree with you, lovemydog. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #187

That's okay, and I do see your points, BlueCaliDem. lovemydog Nov 2015 #188

They're real, and they're spectacular. betsuni Nov 2015 #73

Well this Sanders supporter feels exactly the same way I did a month or so ago. Bernie like Obama sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #75

I have to say, the new "argument" is the definition of irony, given that their candidate refused MADem Nov 2015 #77

There is no new argument AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #85

Are you kidding? This is an old con--and it's being run by the right wing, and many "liberals" MADem Nov 2015 #97

So liberals are tools of the right wing? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #100

If they are passing on links from Breitbart, Daily Caller, Drudge, etc. that were written by MADem Nov 2015 #106

Time stamps are a bitch... LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #137

Well I'm still waiting for my check from them Armstead Nov 2015 #154

Why don't you read the article at the link? You aren't taking the point. MADem Nov 2015 #160

I know what you were referring to Armstead Nov 2015 #162

He wasn't above having Senator Obama campaigning for him. But, he's different. lol Cha Nov 2015 #141

No, but I did notice the single OP you are responding to AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #92

No. roody Nov 2015 #94

As the saying goes "You fall in love during the primaries and fall in line in the general." Snarkoleptic Nov 2015 #101

Feh kenfrequed Nov 2015 #104

If Hillary embraced the left and advocated for Universal Health Care.... Kalidurga Nov 2015 #108

Now it's, "She loses in a match-up with Republicans, and Bernie wins!" BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #112

I actually have said that. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #129

Ha Ha Ha. Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #134

Yeah, that's a sad whine. Cha Nov 2015 #140

Nope haven't noticed that at all azurnoir Nov 2015 #144

I support Bernie but I have never said either of those things Vattel Nov 2015 #146

Nope. But I have noticed a lot of bullshit "Bernie is not a Democrat" posts from Hillary's djean111 Nov 2015 #151

ehhh EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #152

What I've noticed is that the DOMAcrat wing of the Party is still smug and mean spirited as well Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #153

To a poster Puglover Nov 2015 #163

They are the DOMAcrats and by their actions you shall know them Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #174

Wishing something so doesn't make it so. Skidmore Nov 2015 #156

Curious. I've never heard that one before. Vinca Nov 2015 #158

They're losing, and they know it alcibiades_mystery Nov 2015 #164

And they're only losing because they made it a contest in the first place. randome Nov 2015 #166

Yes, I have noticed this also Gothmog Nov 2015 #165

First, Bernie is not a Democrat. That's important because.... Walk away Nov 2015 #167

No shift. Both messages have been out there for a long time. Thanks for noticing. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #168

What are your personal views on that DOMA revisionism she is serving up? Why is that ok with you? Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #173

That second part has largely always been true though. eom NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #177

anger is a stage of grief taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #179

No, I would let the people vote for you running your victory lap Bernblu Nov 2015 #181

Kick & recommended. William769 Nov 2015 #182

Nope. GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #183

If you say so. Fearless Nov 2015 #186

certain "supporters" have bashed democrats from day one joshcryer Nov 2015 #190

I don't know,why I bother to answer this sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #192