2016 Postmortem

Spitfire of ATJ

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73. That was a talking point of the time that Bush invaded to enforce 1441....

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 12:48 AM

Nov 2015

It was crap then and it's still crap. Nor was 1441 a result of the US passing the IWR. That was another talking point of the time. They played chicken and egg with those two as well.

Hillary's speech prior to the vote:

The IWR was filled with references linking Iraq to 9/11. She should have been APPALLED that the Bush Administration was trying to enact their PNAC wet dream on the corpses of her people.

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Please, no more revisionsist history about Clinton's IWR vote [View all] Vattel Nov 2015 OP

I saw the one where she voted for it just to get the inspectors in Autumn Nov 2015 #1

That level of dishonesty about a war vote is dishonorable beyond words. merrily Nov 2015 #4

No honest person who is old enough to post on a message board Autumn Nov 2015 #9

And then, there are some of the posts on this very thread. merrily Nov 2015 #30

Yes it it very dishonorable. n/t sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #24

Bush wasn't required to do jack shit Armstead Nov 2015 #2

Summaries for Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 saturnsring Nov 2015 #3

You should read the full resolution. The summary is less clear. Vattel Nov 2015 #10

"This is the Tonkin Gulf resolution all over again" - Robert Byrd jfern Nov 2015 #5

this stuff is mind blowing marym625 Nov 2015 #6

In one of his videos, Ben Ladin said he made up his mind to strike us when he saw the merrily Nov 2015 #34

I would hate us. marym625 Nov 2015 #92

I am surprised we have been as fortunate as we have. merrily Nov 2015 #95

I know people that have moved out of the US and renounced their citizenship marym625 Nov 2015 #108

That's what I call a statement. merrily Nov 2015 #110

Hillary did not simply vote to authorize the invasion, which would have been bad enough. merrily Nov 2015 #7

good point! Vattel Nov 2015 #8

Specifically she said that there was a Saddam Al Qaeda connection jfern Nov 2015 #32

ty 840high Nov 2015 #38

She didn't just vote for it. She pounded the drums on the floor of the Senate. Scuba Nov 2015 #11

I very much doubt she thought that speech would sway the vote of a Senator. merrily Nov 2015 #31

Bingo! Scuba Nov 2015 #50

It's amazing the turds some people will try to polish up, after the fact. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #12

There's really no way to apologize for it, either. Unnumbered Iraqis injured, killed, merrily Nov 2015 #25

You don't have to tell me. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #44

Yes, ludicrous and shameful, like some of the posts on this very thread. merrily Nov 2015 #45

Text of Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 saturnsring Nov 2015 #13

That's better. Vattel Nov 2015 #14

i just wanted to post it so people can read it saturnsring Nov 2015 #18

Yes, I assumed so. Thanks. Vattel Nov 2015 #37

What I remember is that in 2002 shortly before the mid-terms, madinmaryland Nov 2015 #15

Hillary wasn't up for election for 4 years, she had no excuse about the immediate election jfern Nov 2015 #33

The political climate was completely different in 2002 than it is now or even in 2008. madinmaryland Nov 2015 #36

Back then far too many who voted for the Iraq War tried to claim SheilaT Nov 2015 #16

I don't call it revisionist history. I call it lies. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #17

That's just because it is. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #55

And she can't wash that blood off of her hands... Yurovsky Nov 2015 #86

It makes no sense to me. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #91

Bush was elected a second term even after his R B Garr Nov 2015 #19

I think it is important to correct the record. You are free to disagree. Vattel Nov 2015 #22

His "malfeasance" was exposed to political junkies, the ones who post on message boards and merrily Nov 2015 #28

OMFG seriously keep this up, the sermonizing R B Garr Nov 2015 #35

I'm not having any trouble with selective memory, telling the truth or assessing morality of a bad merrily Nov 2015 #39

Ugh, the pious dishonesty is a waste of time. R B Garr Nov 2015 #56

Um you did the same thing in Reply 35. The difference is I posted some support from my statements. merrily Nov 2015 #57

YOUR emotions are not support. R B Garr Nov 2015 #60

I posted links and info. If posting emotions is possible at all, it's more your area than mine. merrily Nov 2015 #62

You edited then, what a croc R B Garr Nov 2015 #63

Now you're just making up stuff about what my prior posts said. Good thing everyone can read them. merrily Nov 2015 #65

What a joke. You got caught being R B Garr Nov 2015 #72

Bush was never elected Hydra Nov 2015 #46

LOL, now I'm "defending" R B Garr Nov 2015 #59

Lol Hydra Nov 2015 #64

Typical nonsense. Too silly to take seriously R B Garr Nov 2015 #77

If IWR was a vote for war, why was IRAQ invaded by Hans Blix and the U.N. Weapons Inspectors BlueStateLib Nov 2015 #20

Do you disagree with something I wrote? If so, please specify. Vattel Nov 2015 #21

And your point is? Read the AUMF. It counts a hell of a lot more than the ass-covering bloviation merrily Nov 2015 #27

Come on, who are you trying to kid. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #48

Bernie showed more wisdom than any one of those senators, even JDPriestly Nov 2015 #61

To answer your question: Martin Eden Nov 2015 #93

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #23

That vote, which she cast no doubt thinking of her own political future, lost her the last election. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #26

I hope so. 840high Nov 2015 #40

The UN weapons inspectors in Iraq at the time were shouting from the rooftops "There are no WMD" AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #29

Someone posted today that Clinton 840high Nov 2015 #41

She has compassion when it polls high AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #43

Her vote aligned with the wishes of PNAC, the DLC and its kin, the Progressive Policy Institute. merrily Nov 2015 #54

There were no weapons inspectors in Iraq until after IWR and UN Sec Res 1441. That's what those stevenleser Nov 2015 #66

The weapons inspectors were thrown out of iraq on the eve of the invasion AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #68

That's correct. They were admitted after IWR and UN Sec Res 1441 and were thrown out shortly stevenleser Nov 2015 #69

She is indulging in political CYA by claiming it was a "mistake". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #42

and it requires EVERYONE to overlook her husbands daily briefings reddread Nov 2015 #85

The excuse is Saddam wouldn't have cooperated without a real threat.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #47

The problem with your thinking is, that is exactly what was talked about at the time. stevenleser Nov 2015 #67

Not by me.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #70

Yes, France voted for UN Sec Res 1441 within two weeks of IWR for the same purpose stevenleser Nov 2015 #71

That was a talking point of the time that Bush invaded to enforce 1441.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #73

It was the text of the Resolution and France and Russia had a part in the negotiations about it. stevenleser Nov 2015 #74

They supported INSPECTIONS. Not INVASIONS Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #75

Correct. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #76

Her 20 minute speech on the Senate floor proves that she knew that Bush would use it. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #79

The point is she thought it was the right thing to do until it was the wrong thing to do. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #81

Britain was already bombing radar installations in Northern Iraq in early August of 2002. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #82

At least we know she didn't do it for the money.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #83

Ha! That's a good one! Yurovsky Nov 2015 #88

Let's face it. Bernie was exceptional in the thought process and JDPriestly Nov 2015 #49

wow, very well-said Vattel Nov 2015 #53

Millions of people took to the streets to protest the Iraq Invasion Maedhros Nov 2015 #51

Scott Ritter BlueStateLib Nov 2015 #80

You want they should lay off revisionist history from 12 years ago? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #52

I heard she voted for the Iraq war to stop a federal marriage amendment portlander23 Nov 2015 #58

Yes Bush was given a blank check with the AUMF, it authorized using military force of which only one Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #78

The OP is about the Iraq War Resolution. More than one person voted against it. Vattel Nov 2015 #100

I heard it was to stop even worse war bill from being passed azurnoir Nov 2015 #84

Yeah, that's the ticket! Yurovsky Nov 2015 #87

This again? It doesn't appear that this is having the effect that Bernie's followers expect. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #89

Ikr? I wish certain Hillary supporters would stop distorting the record, Vattel Nov 2015 #90

Hillary supporters are turning a blind eye to a critically important issue. Martin Eden Nov 2015 #94

So, don't vote for her then. Your conscience will be clear. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #97

In matters of conscience the law of majority has no place. Gandhi Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #98

How can you vote for her in good conscience? Martin Eden Nov 2015 #99

Well � NurseJackie Nov 2015 #101

Well ... Martin Eden Nov 2015 #103

You misunderstood. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #104

I do agree ... Martin Eden Nov 2015 #105

Thank you for the conversation. I enjoyed chatting with you. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #106

Thanks, at least it was fairly civil (even if nothing was accomplished). n/t Martin Eden Nov 2015 #107

or opening them either Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #96

And they knew it HassleCat Nov 2015 #102

So what. Dem2 Nov 2015 #109