2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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127. Yes, you're right. I seldom listen to his words, so I tend to

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 03:21 AM

Nov 2015

think of him as a person who is helping reveal to the world that liberalism is very much alive in America. Polls haven't shown that, in part because people don't like to identify themselves as "liberal" since the GOP made that a dirty word, so we are drastically underrepresented in those "people who identify themselves as liberals are X% of the electorate" and "self-identified liberals support Y" results.

I suspect/hope that will turn out to be a very big contribution.

That many of his programs would not be doable as he laid them out even if he were elected is obviously not going to be an issue.

As for both incessantly badmouthing and incessantly using the Democratic Party, it's worked for him because we let him. Aren't we the big tent? Now, if he'd tried that with the GOP...! Well, actually, he could have now that I think of it; but like the ReThugs, he'd have needed his own personal billionaire to protect and support him.

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Quick Question: When has a non-Democrat ever won the Democratic nomination? [View all] bravenak Nov 2015 OP

Quick yawn. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #1

I use this: bravenak Nov 2015 #8

I believe it would be fair to say it would be unprecedented. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #2

I thought so. bravenak Nov 2015 #3

Was Bryan a Democrat in 1896? (nt) Recursion Nov 2015 #4

Ike was barely a Republican in 1952. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #5

Good point. Recursion Nov 2015 #7

If he would have run as D that would have been twenty eight straight years of Democratic presidents. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #12

I doubt he'd get the nomination in today's Democratic party. Rod Beauvex Nov 2015 #44

Yes, but he said he had always been a life long Republican WI_DEM Nov 2015 #172

I don't know. How many times did he run? Twice or just the once? bravenak Nov 2015 #6

1896, 1900, 1908 Recursion Nov 2015 #9

I think I need to crack open my ol history ebook again! bravenak Nov 2015 #10

aw, i really feel bad for you. jkbRN Nov 2015 #11

Okay so in 500 years. bravenak Nov 2015 #15

well, don't forget to vote in such a way that will undo corruption that you just acknowledged. jkbRN Nov 2015 #18

All politics are corrupt. Your utopia is my dystopia. bravenak Nov 2015 #19

i'm sorry you feel so powerless and that's what you base your vote on-- jkbRN Nov 2015 #21

I blame idiots. bravenak Nov 2015 #22

For sure! Hortensis Nov 2015 #79

I am beginning to suspect that getting nominated was never Sanders intention. procon Nov 2015 #13

Finally. I really don't think he thought he'd get this far and never made any plans. bravenak Nov 2015 #14

I'm sure you're right. No one anticipated Bernie's success. Hortensis Nov 2015 #92

I think he is doing great. bravenak Nov 2015 #99

Yes, badmouthing us is not a winning strategy, much as it Hortensis Nov 2015 #111

True. Winners need not badmouth. We can appreciate the positives of all candidates. bravenak Nov 2015 #113

A piece of cake is it? Oh I do hope you come to regret those words.. Kentonio Nov 2015 #189

I think this really illustrates Bernie's insular nature. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #109

Interesting, LuvLoogie. Hortensis Nov 2015 #132

He needed to come out of his shell a long time ago. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #171

Depressing to remember. Hortensis Nov 2015 #174

you just outlined the WHOLE problem with your jkbRN Nov 2015 #20

You must know the nominee must have enough superdelegates to win, yeah? procon Nov 2015 #24

Super delegates are a real new idea that really kicked in Bill Clintons term. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #31

The super delegates are people who have murielm99 Nov 2015 #55

No they haven't not in my book, I don't believe that such status should be available much less TheKentuckian Nov 2015 #147

That sounds very high-minded -- but very unworkable. Our nation Hortensis Nov 2015 #173

I think you are very naive. murielm99 Nov 2015 #180

If you have to work for a campaign to find the system 'very transparent and workable' Kentonio Nov 2015 #190

It is made transparent and workable for the voters. murielm99 Nov 2015 #192

My lack of knowledge and experience? Kentonio Nov 2015 #193

Your posts illuminate who you are. n/t murielm99 Nov 2015 #194

As do yours. Kentonio Nov 2015 #195

my my DianeK Nov 2015 #200

I'm thinking college and book tour. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #23

A lucrative speaking tour? nt procon Nov 2015 #25

Same here. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #128

The Democratic party establishment has evolved into Republican lite AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #16

We will not let outsiders run our party. bravenak Nov 2015 #17

The 'outsider' is more of a democrat than the Democrats AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #53

He is no Democrat. bravenak Nov 2015 #56

His beliefs are traditional Democratic AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #59

I am the Future of the Democratic party. Not him. He is no Democrat. bravenak Nov 2015 #68

Bernie is a small 'd' Democrat AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #70

I am sorry for your loss. bravenak Nov 2015 #76

I think the party has lost it's marbles AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #117

And the far left have become well, not my cup of coffee. bravenak Nov 2015 #118

There is no far left in American politics AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #120

Then the 'revolution'. bravenak Nov 2015 #121

I am talking about our Democratic candidate Bernie Sanders AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #124

He is no Democrat bravenak Nov 2015 #125

(d) Vermont AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #134

No bravenak Nov 2015 #137

The far lefties are horrible people who think that the New Deal waas a good idea eridani Nov 2015 #184

The New Deal left my grandmother out. She was a domestic worker. bravenak Nov 2015 #205

But it formed the basis for later including domestic workers. eridani Nov 2015 #212

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #211

+1 Go Vols Nov 2015 #178

HAHA.. you're making them crazy A-gain! They're acting like President Obama isn't a "Dem".. Cha Nov 2015 #26

They are so funny. bravenak Nov 2015 #27

Funny Strawpeople. Cha Nov 2015 #38

Unicorn wranglers. bravenak Nov 2015 #40

Yeah, who would want to "attack" a unicorn? Cha Nov 2015 #47

Quick Answer - What Difference Would It Make If Such An Event Came To Pass cantbeserious Nov 2015 #28

Won't happen. bravenak Nov 2015 #29

So Say You - Others See The World Much Differently cantbeserious Nov 2015 #35

Others in bubbles. bravenak Nov 2015 #37

The Same Could Be Said For One cantbeserious Nov 2015 #43

I am speaking to the one bravenak Nov 2015 #46

You Speak To Yourself - Now It All Makes Sense cantbeserious Nov 2015 #48

Can you not tell when you get spoken to? I can help. It's easy. bravenak Nov 2015 #50

We See One Speaking To Oneself Yet Again cantbeserious Nov 2015 #75

Your screen name is apt bravenak Nov 2015 #77

Ad Hominen Attacks Are Against DU Rules cantbeserious Nov 2015 #81

How is that Ad Homi(nen)? bravenak Nov 2015 #84

One Denigrated My Username - No One Denigrated Your Username cantbeserious Nov 2015 #86

I like your user name. It fits you as well as mine fits me. That's why you chose it, no? bravenak Nov 2015 #87

Irony - Seems Lost On Many These Days - I Assure That One Is Quite Serious In All That One Does cantbeserious Nov 2015 #89

As one should be. bravenak Nov 2015 #90

Truly cantbeserious Nov 2015 #93

They already did� donf Nov 2015 #135

. bravenak Nov 2015 #136

So boring that a bunch of conservatives embraced a D next to their name and kept all of their TheKentuckian Nov 2015 #162

Yes. Boring. bravenak Nov 2015 #166

K & R Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #30

I think a book tour would be a financially sound idea. bravenak Nov 2015 #33

Do you think sales will be high? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #34

I think the speaking tour will pay better myself. bravenak Nov 2015 #36

Yes if you are in demand. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #61

Yeah. I won't YELL at you and point like i'm petting two differently sized horses the entire time. bravenak Nov 2015 #66

Hahahaha, fuckin priceless. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #152

I wish I could fall asleep. bravenak Nov 2015 #154

Aww, I'm sorry. I hate those fuckers. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #157

It does make me feel better. bravenak Nov 2015 #159

Exactly, try some green tea or chocolate. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #161

It's only 1 hour and 20 minutes of class. bravenak Nov 2015 #163

So much denial & seething hatred is more like it. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #170

Watch his hands while he talks. You cannot unsee. bravenak Nov 2015 #155

Strawman. Sanders is running as a Dem riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #32

I think it was the same year a woman won the Democratic nomination. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #39

I think Democrats will go democratic for the most part. bravenak Nov 2015 #41

Doh! Phlem Nov 2015 #52

As a Clinton supporter, I think this is a meaningless issue to tag Sanders with... brooklynite Nov 2015 #42

I don't. I do not see him helping downticket. We need those seats. bravenak Nov 2015 #45

the DNC isn't helping down ticket Lordquinton Nov 2015 #58

Well, I suppose we'd better vote Hillary so that the DNC does not have to support a non Democrat. bravenak Nov 2015 #63

surely he will campaign for dems running for dog catcher, city council, county supervisor, msongs Nov 2015 #60

Does he campaign for many Dems? bravenak Nov 2015 #62

If he draws more actual voters Lazy Daisy Nov 2015 #97

I wouldn't worry about him drawing more actual voters. bravenak Nov 2015 #101

Actually, I think Bernie's doing a lot of good for the Hortensis Nov 2015 #105

Bernie is pessimistic. bravenak Nov 2015 #107

Yes, you're right. I seldom listen to his words, so I tend to Hortensis Nov 2015 #127

I see him giving voices that felt marginalized a chance to speak out bravenak Nov 2015 #130

Yes to that. Just hope those he's inspired continue to Hortensis Nov 2015 #133

Clinton has absolutely zero appeal to the alienated voters who sat out 2014 eridani Nov 2015 #185

Bernie has small appeal to the black community. Who vote. bravenak Nov 2015 #204

I guess that means that the black community is in love with mass incarceration and welfare deform eridani Nov 2015 #210

now see, stop making sense, you are going to alienate yourself from the pack. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #181

when the only other alternative is someone who's not a Democrat in any substantive sense MisterP Nov 2015 #49

She and Martin are the only Democrats in the race. bravenak Nov 2015 #51

^^^THIS^^^ SunSeeker Nov 2015 #122

Exactly. bernie's always raging on the Dems.. saying there's no difference between us and the gop Cha Nov 2015 #183

That's only when he's not supporting more of the Democratic Party platform than Clinton n/g eridani Nov 2015 #186

Nah.. he's always raging on the Dems. Hillary's a much better choice for President. Cha Nov 2015 #187

Only if you like war and propping up banksters n/t eridani Nov 2015 #208

Hillary's a better choice for America.. I don't care what bernie supporters have to say. Cha Nov 2015 #209

Endless war is not a better choice for America. eridani Nov 2015 #213

that's your bogus spiel. Cha Nov 2015 #214

Iraq war vote? Libya total chaos? Those things didn't happen? n/t eridani Nov 2015 #215

so? That doesn't mean there's going to be "endless war".. that's what the BS supporters say. Cha Nov 2015 #216

Yes, it does. This is someone who says that Iranians are her enemy eridani Nov 2015 #217

No it doesn't. Cha Nov 2015 #218

Explain what she is going to do about the military-industrial complex, then n/t eridani Nov 2015 #219

Hillary's Presidency does not mean "endless wars". Cha Nov 2015 #220

She has never met a war she didn't like. Why will she stop as president? eridani Nov 2015 #221

You're thinking of john mccain. Cha Nov 2015 #222

Yes--the guy that she said passed the 3am red phone call test, unlike Obama eridani Nov 2015 #223

That was then this is now.. ya'll really need to keep up Cha Nov 2015 #224

Sorry, the weathervane is spinning too fast for me to follow eridani Nov 2015 #225

Obviously hard to keep up to the reality of now. Cha Nov 2015 #226

I don't have to accept your fucking reality of the permanent decline of the 99% eridani Nov 2015 #227

HAHA.. you don't have to accept reality. Cha Nov 2015 #228

I'm working to change it. You apparently like income inequality and war eridani Nov 2015 #229

There's my point right there. BS supporters are not into reality. Cha Nov 2015 #230

Nobody who isnsists that how things are now is the way they have to be ever did-- eridani Nov 2015 #231

Yes proved my point. Cha Nov 2015 #232

Which was? n/t eridani Nov 2015 #233

LOL Cha Nov 2015 #234

Stop pretending you speak for the Democratic party Kentonio Nov 2015 #191

I am very important. bravenak Nov 2015 #196

I'm sure you are Kentonio Nov 2015 #199

Never. lovemydog Nov 2015 #54

Thank you!! bravenak Nov 2015 #57

Honestly. lovemydog Nov 2015 #71

I don't give a crap. Bonobo Nov 2015 #64

I know you don't. bravenak Nov 2015 #69

God. Bonobo Nov 2015 #72

Please do. bravenak Nov 2015 #74

Why should it matter, if getting the best possible President is the goal? [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #65

I want downticket seat too. bravenak Nov 2015 #78

When the party is loyal to us, I'll be loyal to the party.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #67

Bill Clint...no, he said he was a Democrat. Oh, wait. That must have been rhetorical. jtuck004 Nov 2015 #73

Which Candidate Has Positions That Will Help The Most Americans Yallow Nov 2015 #80

Positions? I have dreams too. bravenak Nov 2015 #82

I Can Tell By The Tens Of Thousands At Hillary's Rallys Yallow Nov 2015 #95

I am barely fighting yet. But yes, we will fight together one day. bravenak Nov 2015 #102

That is a lame argument. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #182

I give what is needed. No more is needed to win. bravenak Nov 2015 #203

And you stay up all night... MattSh Nov 2015 #83

Not really. bravenak Nov 2015 #85

Non-Dem? Do you mean Hillary? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #88

Bernie. The Independent. Hillary is a registered Democrat. bravenak Nov 2015 #91

They are both Democrats now. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #98

On what date did Bernie register? I must have missed it. bravenak Nov 2015 #100

Voters do not have to "register" for a party in Vermont. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #108

Ok. On what date did he declare that he is a Democrat? bravenak Nov 2015 #110

I believe he announced that he is running as a Democrat. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #115

I have a problem with his lack of affiliation. bravenak Nov 2015 #116

Quick Question: When has a non-Democrat ever won the Democratic nomination? waldo.c Nov 2015 #94

Are you psychic! Me too! Except you are wrong.. Are you sure you cleaned your crystal ball? bravenak Nov 2015 #112

Define "Democrat" drm604 Nov 2015 #96

I mean a member of the party who want to change from inside through cooperation. bravenak Nov 2015 #106

Yay! Bravenak has officially conceded that Bernie is a Democrat! Vattel Nov 2015 #146

Read my sigline. bravenak Nov 2015 #148

I know, but you redefining "Democrat." Vattel Nov 2015 #150

He does not like the Democratic party. He is no Democrat. bravenak Nov 2015 #151

Yes, you think he is a Democrat, but not a "Democrat." I get it. Vattel Nov 2015 #179

well there's a first time for everything azurnoir Nov 2015 #103

True. We will see. bravenak Nov 2015 #104

This is a pretty lame attack jfern Nov 2015 #114

Sure bravenak Nov 2015 #119

He's been a member of the Democratic caucus for almost 25 years jfern Nov 2015 #123

He is no Democrat bravenak Nov 2015 #126

Whoever gets the nomination, Bernie included, will be the Democrat jfern Nov 2015 #129

Good think he's losing then bravenak Nov 2015 #131

Sanders is your candidate, bravenak Martin Eden Nov 2015 #138

But you are condescending! bravenak Nov 2015 #141

And, hopefully, correct about your conversion! Martin Eden Nov 2015 #144

Already was for bernie. Dropped him after netroots. No leadership. bravenak Nov 2015 #145

I know that I, and my family, and my friends, are all really looking forward to voting for Bernie. djean111 Nov 2015 #139

I'm a Democrat, not a DOMAcrat. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #140

I do not deal with the type of treatment doled out to me. bravenak Nov 2015 #153

Were you telling the truth when you said you supported Sanders? DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #142

Of course. Until I realized he had no control over his campaign. bravenak Nov 2015 #143

No, you don't owe him anything. But people would do well to think twice before heeding your words. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2015 #168

Thank you for implying instability in me. bravenak Nov 2015 #169

I have a different question and answer. LWolf Nov 2015 #149

Bill Clinton UglyGreed Nov 2015 #156

So what? I do not feel moved by spam videos. bravenak Nov 2015 #158

again Obama UglyGreed Nov 2015 #164

. bravenak Nov 2015 #165

The members of the Democratic party are able to determine who is a Democrat Gothmog Nov 2015 #160

Very true. And We will. bravenak Nov 2015 #167

Hillary will be the first!!!!! NCTraveler Nov 2015 #175

This place is funny. bravenak Nov 2015 #198

Horace Greeley, 1872. n/t earthside Nov 2015 #176

Who will the Socialists in the Democratic Party vote for? Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #177

Quick Question: When has a non-Male ever won the Democratic nomination? ljm2002 Nov 2015 #188

Who is this popular male she has to beat? bravenak Nov 2015 #197

Non sequiturs much? ljm2002 Nov 2015 #206

You brought popular males up, not I. bravenak Nov 2015 #207

I don't know about the past, but if Hillary wins the nomination Android3.14 Nov 2015 #201

Allright! 2016! bravenak Nov 2015 #202