2016 Postmortem

JDPriestly

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142. We should not use nuclear energy because we have no place that is really safe for the waste.

Tue Nov 3, 2015, 04:52 PM

Nov 2015

On that I will agree with you and the Sierra Club. But Vermont is a particularly vulnerable place for waste. No one wants nuclear waste.

I am so happy that San Onofre was closed down. Unfortunately, I believe that the nuclear material is still there.

What locations does the Sierra Club recommend for storing nuclear waste? Highly populated areas like Vermont in a wet climate with underground and surface water in close proximity?

As for the September 2001 authorization to attack terrorists. Bernie has said that war is in his view to be approved in cases in which a) we are attacked (that was the case in the authorization to use force against terrorists in September 2001) and b) in case of genocide (as in Rwanda, as in Serbia's attacks on Kosovo which Bernie also supported).

I agree with Bernie. We should always try to negotiate a settlement and bring peace, but we should respond with force to attacks on our nation, and we should respond with force to genocide when negotiation does not stop the killing.

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Politifact: Sanders "Actively Ushered" Bill to Dump Nuclear Waste Near Poor West Texas Town [View all] RandySF Nov 2015 OP

Yes--it was a disgraceful chapter in his career, one that even VT activists didn't agree with. MADem Nov 2015 #1

The person who posted that article had her thread hidden BainsBane Nov 2015 #8

I find that very interesting bravenak Nov 2015 #13

But they claim they want to "discuss the issues". JaneyVee Nov 2015 #22

Only issues bad for Hillary. bravenak Nov 2015 #25

Such as? SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #59

Republican lies bravenak Nov 2015 #62

Which are posted and Re-posted week after week riversedge Nov 2015 #85

which one would you like? restorefreedom Nov 2015 #93

Use your DU search feature to find articles posted here from MADem Nov 2015 #119

It is a real problem and some of the ones who arent paid to be here by Karl Rove are randys1 Nov 2015 #154

I agree. When I see those sites without any "grain of salt" MADem Nov 2015 #170

Darn, you got us Scootaloo Nov 2015 #177

If the "legitimate criticisms of Clinton from the left" are indeed, MADem Nov 2015 #179

I see claims, but no support for them Scootaloo Nov 2015 #181

You can do your own homework, if you've a mind. MADem Nov 2015 #183

Why would I do work to support your claim? Support it yourself, if you can Scootaloo Nov 2015 #192

I'm not going to be sucked into an alert scenario, thanks anyway. nt MADem Nov 2015 #194

Hmmm--odd, double post! I deleted this one. NT MADem Nov 2015 #180

Well, outside of their group, nobody believes that. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #134

the Berniebro bullyboys are out in force tonight mwrguy Nov 2015 #18

I can picture them right now... Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #24

That's how you see Sanders supporters? That's funny Scootaloo Nov 2015 #176

It's a shame that this place has sunk so low. MADem Nov 2015 #122

I saw that--disgraceful. There's no excuse for that kind of "partisan censorship." MADem Nov 2015 #32

I noticed you left off the title to the article. JimDandy Nov 2015 #38

Well, that goes both ways. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #55

if you were banned how are you still here ? JI7 Nov 2015 #65

Probably blocked from Hillary group... Human101948 Nov 2015 #79

You're not missing much, I don't imagine. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #156

That's exactly what happened. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #166

Sorry--that's not the same thing. MADem Nov 2015 #106

No, she posted a libelous title to an article, the same title you weren't willing post JimDandy Nov 2015 #124

Utter nonsense. The title was the title given by the TX OBSERVER. MADem Nov 2015 #125

"Talking trash" by saying nobody is on par with Elizabeth Warren? SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #167

You were in the CLINTON group. The issue isn't saints, it's MADem Nov 2015 #169

Well, that explains that. SusanaMontana41 Nov 2015 #193

Just couldn't handle the facts. Cha Nov 2015 #92

No, it contained the libelous, ugly title of the article, too JimDandy Nov 2015 #33

Libel is a legal term BainsBane Nov 2015 #46

"Drop dead" is a legitimate journalistic metaphor used R B Garr Nov 2015 #84

Yes but Drop Dead was put in quotes. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #107

Lol, it's a journalistic metaphor and is commonly R B Garr Nov 2015 #114

And what law school did you attend? Agschmid Nov 2015 #136

LOL! I'll rephrase: factually incorrect assertion in printed text. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #163

No, not when it's in quotes. That was an ugly smear, a lie JimDandy Nov 2015 #108

Sanders own words were ugly, and he was coldly R B Garr Nov 2015 #111

You're regurgitating ugly lies and you're losing the argument. JimDandy Nov 2015 #115

You called Clinton a Queen, so it looks like your R B Garr Nov 2015 #120

You should be proud...Queen is used to show someone JimDandy Nov 2015 #123

No, you used Queen as a sneering, derogatory term. R B Garr Nov 2015 #139

I think you're the one who has lost the argument, and you're not dealing with it MADem Nov 2015 #173

I posted the newspaper article in it's entirety, in photo form. MADem Nov 2015 #147

Exactly, BB. Why do they find some of BS's past so distasteful they want to censor it!!? Cha Nov 2015 #49

I wondered about that hide Scootaloo Nov 2015 #155

I haven't seen them BainsBane Nov 2015 #162

Who would admit to serving on that kangaroo court? nt MADem Nov 2015 #171

Where is this from? SoapBox Nov 2015 #31

It was way back when VT was shipping their shit to TX--in the 90s, when Sanders was a Rep. MADem Nov 2015 #37

Lol Texas had to permit such a dump to be located there actually 2 such dumps azurnoir Nov 2015 #43

TX oligarchy was willing to subject citizens to it so Rose Siding Nov 2015 #94

No one took advantage of anything Vt needed to dispose of largely medical waste azurnoir Nov 2015 #95

And absolve the congressman who told the TX activists to MADem Nov 2015 #121

You know NY literally shipped their shit to Sierra Blanca for years, by train. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #113

It's OK when New York does it. Because of reasons. arcane1 Nov 2015 #116

Yeah, I am not feeling that "excuse" at all. Two Wrongs Makes a Right is usually abandoned in MADem Nov 2015 #130

And? They shouldn't have done that either--but two wrongs do not make a right. MADem Nov 2015 #117

The point is that this issue is being exploited by people who are so unaware of Sierra Blanca's Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #144

Your focus is wrong. Turn AWAY from Sierra Blanca. MADem Nov 2015 #146

Ah so the people of Sierra Blanca are props to you. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #158

You do realize that you're gish galloping away from the point MADem Nov 2015 #172

1998 RandySF Nov 2015 #41

2 years after the Bill Clinton campaigned to be re-elected on the backs of those same azurnoir Nov 2015 #44

but he didn't dump waste on their heads... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #71

Neither did Bernie odd how Hillary's people are willing to give Texas's Republican State azurnoir Nov 2015 #72

Yeah he did.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #74

Lol maybe you need to read the entire thread he did not azurnoir Nov 2015 #75

He still voted for it....Politifact... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #81

yes he did the rest is extrapolation and IMO giving repukes an undeserved break azurnoir Nov 2015 #87

Oh yeah...a break! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #89

Bernie wears a halo? that's a rather out of place comment don't you think? azurnoir Nov 2015 #96

Some on DU seem to think so..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #97

Can you link me up to a comment from a Bernie supporter saying that? azurnoir Nov 2015 #98

hang around.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #99

In other words you can't azurnoir Nov 2015 #100

No in other words I am not going to... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #101

first I'm not a dude I'm a woman and second just for the record I' almost 60 azurnoir Nov 2015 #102

Just for the record...I am in my 50's VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #103

didn't clinton sign it into law? questionseverything Nov 2015 #133

Yes. Bill Clinton did sign it into law. (nt) PotatoChip Nov 2015 #186

If that is your argument, then Bill Clinton apparently did not care about brown people either. PotatoChip Nov 2015 #188

Yes he did. He was POTUS at the time, and signed the bill into law. (nt) PotatoChip Nov 2015 #184

For a state? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #185

Bill Clinton signed it as POTUS. PotatoChip Nov 2015 #187

Bernie opposes nuclear energy because, in part, of the waste. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #42

"geology in Vermont is even less safe for storing nuclear waste than the particular area of Texas" BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #140

We should not use nuclear energy because we have no place that is really safe for the waste. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #142

Very good post, the war hawk has to apply to Sanders since he has more than one time voted for Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #161

Superb post. Just superb. MADem Nov 2015 #174

Thank you, MADem. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #189

Interesting. I saw your post, clicked the link, logged into FB, searched the group and never found Autumn Nov 2015 #159

The problem is yours, I'm afraid--I just clicked a second ago, on the same link, MADem Nov 2015 #175

The post is there on your link. When you click Like on the page belonging to Autumn Nov 2015 #191

When I click on the link, it goes straight to the post. MADem Nov 2015 #195

That's exactly what I said in my post. Autumn Nov 2015 #196

But the post is still in their newsfeed. If the post was "removed" MADem Nov 2015 #197

The post was shared by 4 people so yes it is still on FB. Somewhere. That post is not on Autumn Nov 2015 #198

So they DUMPED nuclear waste on poor brown folks? I refuse to believe Bernie would stand for that! bravenak Nov 2015 #2

They didn't dump nuclear waste on poor brown folks Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #29

So nothing is there? I knew he wouldn't do such a thing! bravenak Nov 2015 #30

Nope there isn't but do keep up the efforts azurnoir Nov 2015 #73

It takes absolutely no effort. That is the sad part. None. bravenak Nov 2015 #76

no poo flinging doesn't take much effort at all does it? azurnoir Nov 2015 #77

I do not need to fling poo. Just be extra polite. bravenak Nov 2015 #80

Indeed you are!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #82

Thank you!! bravenak Nov 2015 #83

when who stops? but I agree you have all the right in world to fling poo azurnoir Nov 2015 #86

When the stupid stops. I simply cannot take it anymore. bravenak Nov 2015 #90

You are spreading delusional lies. I am a bi-racial woman riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #110

Ironcially, New York literally dumped their poo in Sierra Blanca from 1992-2001. Trainloads of it. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #109

Why is that ironic? You don't explain that bit. MADem Nov 2015 #129

It's ironic because you and others keep saying 'VT sent their shit to Texas' and 'flinging poo' Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #149

As I've said elsewhere, in the context of this candidacy, the MADem Nov 2015 #150

yep in 1998 2 years after Bill Clinton won re-election on the backs of the poor across the board azurnoir Nov 2015 #47

I said I refuse to believe it bravenak Nov 2015 #48

Wonder why all the nuke dumps are in dry western states? eridani Nov 2015 #66

You'd prefer that they dump it on MILLIONS of brown, blackfolk in the northeast corridor? Armstead Nov 2015 #68

Poor white folks. progressoid Nov 2015 #151

K&R Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #3

I'm not a fan of nuclear fission power jfern Nov 2015 #4

Near the poor he claims to champion. RandySF Nov 2015 #5

Those poor brown souls. bravenak Nov 2015 #6

Maybe some merit his attention more than others. RandySF Nov 2015 #9

Sure seems like it bravenak Nov 2015 #11

Look, ideally we wouldn't have nuclear fission power with all its radioactive problems jfern Nov 2015 #10

There's an excuse for everything, isn't there? RandySF Nov 2015 #15

My question you didn't answer was an excuse? jfern Nov 2015 #19

How about the hundreds of thousands of square miles in America where... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #16

I don't know if they pick the middle of nowhere for low level radioactive waste jfern Nov 2015 #21

It is more authentic to dump in the West ban-- I mean Texas LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #14

Absolutely BainsBane Nov 2015 #17

I'm pretty sure Vermont was too wet jfern Nov 2015 #26

Shhhh JackInGreen Nov 2015 #28

It had nothing to do with their race BainsBane Nov 2015 #50

Vermont did just shut down their nuclear power plant jfern Nov 2015 #54

Sierra Blanca never saw any waste from VT, NY however sent them sewage from 92-2001 hundreds Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #143

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2015 #7

Obviously those Texans are corporatists BainsBane Nov 2015 #12

But I'm sure she would have voted against it. Right? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #20

This again? blackspade Nov 2015 #23

Hmmm... SoapBox Nov 2015 #27

Then it should have been perfectly safe to keep it in Vermont. RandySF Nov 2015 #34

Or Maine! SoapBox Nov 2015 #35

Or Texas! Since they were involved too! SoapBox Nov 2015 #36

This has been explained a number of times. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #39

Because they run out of things to attack Bernie with jfern Nov 2015 #45

Thank you! SoapBox Nov 2015 #53

Probably the same was true of Maine. Environment is virtually the same as Vermont. Zing Zing Zingbah Nov 2015 #69

You're granting the attackers a presumption of sincerity that is not justified n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #132

So next time, dump it Arlington. Feeling the Bern Nov 2015 #40

Sierra Blanca, TX...more interesting by the moment. SoapBox Nov 2015 #51

So...Sanders represented VT on nuclear waste. And Clinton represented NY on Iraq. McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #52

No, New Yorkers aren't a bunch of dumb warmongers jfern Nov 2015 #57

But NYC did send tons of human waste to Sierra Blanca Texas by the trainload instead of processing Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #112

OMG! The Low Level Nuclear Waste site, was NEVER built! SoapBox Nov 2015 #56

Biggest scandal ever! jfern Nov 2015 #58

Well, no nuclear waste was ever shipped there but NYC sent human waste to Sierra Blanca by train Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #105

Well, well...President Clinton! SoapBox Nov 2015 #60

as Senator representing Vermont it was his job to do what he could to help Vermont JI7 Nov 2015 #61

Hillary voted for the Iraq war! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #63

go start your own thread. Try to keep this one one topic. riversedge Nov 2015 #88

I Remember that! My county was one of the finalist competing for that site! LostOne4Ever Nov 2015 #64

We all can remember this, failing to convert even one Sanders supporter, from a couple of months djean111 Nov 2015 #67

Why would this be a scandal? Renew Deal Nov 2015 #70

The multi-state "compact" proposal was part of a larger scheme jberryhill Nov 2015 #127

Whoops Bernie's halo needs a little adjusting workinclasszero Nov 2015 #78

From The Texas Observer.. posted on FB.. Cha Nov 2015 #91

Repeat! It was never built! And the measure was signed by President CLINTON! SoapBox Nov 2015 #104

Bernie's stand and attempts at pushing this forward is a big fucking deal Sheepshank Nov 2015 #141

Not the point RandySF Nov 2015 #152

Actually randy, it is exactly the point. 99Forever Nov 2015 #160

This particular item was posted once before. Vinca Nov 2015 #118

Bernie's fellow Vermonters, many of them, agreed with the people from TX and apologized to them. MADem Nov 2015 #128

So you think a site abutting the Connecticut River isn't subject to flooding? Vinca Nov 2015 #135

You're telling me that VT has NO real estate to stash their own shit? MADem Nov 2015 #137

Wow - you're totally overwhelmed with Bernie hate, aren't you? Vinca Nov 2015 #157

But it's Sanders so it's ok. giftedgirl77 Nov 2015 #126

Wow. This was an ugly act against a poor Mexican populace. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #131

Really? You going to push that baloney...again? Really? SoapBox Nov 2015 #148

I got it, Texas will ship Vermont their nuclear waste, now that would be fair. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #164

As they say, truth matters...and hurts. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #190

Because he never thought he would ever seek their votes. RandySF Nov 2015 #182

Kick & recommended. William769 Nov 2015 #138

Real clear on the Real Clear Politics... SoapBox Nov 2015 #145

So voting for an illegal war is fine then Politicalboi Nov 2015 #153

Maybe you could sign up for some of the nuclear waste in order to support Sanders, show how it is Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #165

Fighting Amongst Ourselves paul ofnoclique Nov 2015 #168

I have brought this issue up a couple of times Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #178