2016 Postmortem

Live and Learn

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6. It was about the unfairness of the system then as it is now.

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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 04:06 AM

Nov 2015

Some here seem to have changed sides.

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If you are going to vote for the establishment candidate why are you on Democratic Underground? [View all] Fumesucker Nov 2015 OP

look at what the people who started the site have to say about it JI7 Nov 2015 #1

Are you arguing DU wasn't against the Iraq War in 2002-2003? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #2

most democrats opposed the war in iraq JI7 Nov 2015 #3

Hillary didn't. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #5

Face reality. If Bernie loses nomination, vote for Hillary then pressure her to change bjobotts Nov 2015 #194

When I joined this site ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #4

It was about the unfairness of the system then as it is now. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #6

No one has changed sides. When this site came into being, the Bush family pnwmom Nov 2015 #8

Times change but ideals less so. Democrats weren't pushed underground they gave in. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #9

But what really hurts are the attacks from the left, they are the real enemies Fumesucker Nov 2015 #11

I get you, and where you're coming from. I hope most other DUers do too. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #15

I am pro-fumesucker, to remove any ambiguity. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #16

What Fumesucker said freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #143

Hillary will run her campaign the way she wants no matter what you do. upaloopa Nov 2015 #151

Any campaign should be about the people, not the politician. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #155

I guess that "loyalty thing" Mnpaul Nov 2015 #167

You are right. Anyway, many do not belong on this site. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #193

Did someone make you queen? freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #211

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nt sunnystarr Nov 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author sunnystarr Nov 2015 #14

RW attacks on Democrats are still banned. Left-wing attacks on above-ground Democrats yodermon Nov 2015 #90

RW attacks are NOT banned here. JTFrog Nov 2015 #105

Complete bull. Fearless Nov 2015 #170

I've noted this Dem2 Nov 2015 #144

Nancy. I'd rec your post a million times if I could NEDem Nov 2015 #168

Thanks, NEDem! NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #174

Yep NEDem Nov 2015 #183

Completely disagree. Fearless Nov 2015 #169

DU started ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #192

The problem is that you think you're to the left of those you disagree with Fearless Nov 2015 #197

The real problem is ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #198

I'm sorry what is right and what is left isn't up for debate. Fearless Nov 2015 #199

+10 million!!!! Nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #202

In the words of Will Rogers alfredo Nov 2015 #179

only partially.After all..you're here, I'm here and many many others bjobotts Nov 2015 #196

The owner of the site identifies it as a place for promoting Democrats. Maybe you should ask him. pnwmom Nov 2015 #7

I don't understand how anyone could vote for the Iraq War!!!!! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #10

I don't understand ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #37

That isn't a proper retort. kenfrequed Nov 2015 #85

I am now ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #106

The Russians would agree. A War with afganistan is historically stupid. bravenak Nov 2015 #109

bvar22 agrees with you and Maxine Waters (The ONLY Dem "NO" Vote on Afghanistan). bvar22 Nov 2015 #111

You know, we did pretty much drop pallets of $100 bills. But most ended up in Chalabi's pockets and leveymg Nov 2015 #114

I'm not talking about the "commercial side" of a war. bvar22 Nov 2015 #117

I'm with you on most of that, but US special ops fought shoulder to shoulder with UBL in Kosovo. leveymg Nov 2015 #121

Well, Afghanistan was promised a "carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #208

Not a proper retort? stone space Nov 2015 #215

Oddly enough, people, like businesses have minds of their own Fumesucker Nov 2015 #12

The wording of the Iraq War Resolution was this DFW Nov 2015 #17

"This is Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" - Senator Robert Byrd jfern Nov 2015 #19

Gulf of Tonkin sucked too DFW Nov 2015 #20

No. What you are doing is Spin. Rilgin Nov 2015 #36

well said. nt bbgrunt Nov 2015 #91

Absolutely right on dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #107

If Kerry and Hillary and Obama are blameless, WHY ARE WE STILL THERE? Demeter Nov 2015 #41

No one is totally "blameless" DFW Nov 2015 #45

We are not cleaning up at all dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #108

Somebody posted video of Hillary's speech when she voted. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #79

that statement of her sounds oddly like Condoleezza Rice's famous... grasswire Nov 2015 #142

What Hillary did was worse. She voted for it because she thought it would help her become President. Dawgs Nov 2015 #87

...+1 840high Nov 2015 #204

IWR was a popularity contest Bernin4U Nov 2015 #100

Kerry said in a debate that he would've gone into Iraq had he been prez at the time. arcane1 Nov 2015 #133

the idea that anyone would vote to give that power to DUBYA AND CHENEY Skittles Nov 2015 #190

Some people don't really care about facts. uberblonde Nov 2015 #195

Yes. That excuse MUST be IT!!! bvar22 Nov 2015 #209

Bullshit melman Nov 2015 #213

Because Skinner is an HRC supporter JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #18

His business, actually Fumesucker Nov 2015 #22

Majority of active posters are pro-Bernie & ergo major source of DU revenue. Divernan Nov 2015 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Nov 2015 #112

What would that accomplish? fbc Nov 2015 #130

HR's offensive supporters? Beacool Nov 2015 #180

You made a good point Andy823 Nov 2015 #148

because you're wrong about the site's purpose? wyldwolf Nov 2015 #21

We were all naive back then, yes? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #31

If anyone thinks a message forum is a truly 'underground' vehicle for change... wyldwolf Nov 2015 #33

I'm not the one who named it Fumesucker Nov 2015 #49

No, but the one who did STILL differs with your representation of it. wyldwolf Nov 2015 #218

I had no clue we would elect a democratic president who would let 7 million families be thrown into jtuck004 Nov 2015 #39

Why is an unrealistic purist here? This is not just for the ultra-left, but you can be here. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #23

I'm glad you are comfortable with a candidate who was fooled by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Fumesucker Nov 2015 #24

Commodity Futures Modernization Act nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #120

The OP is ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #70

They like Independents, they don't like Democrats shenmue Nov 2015 #124

You sound like some sort of corporatist warmonger. Dem2 Nov 2015 #147

K&R Paka Nov 2015 #25

Why are you trying to be NON-democratic and stop others from being here? That's INSANE. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #26

Where did the term "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" come from? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #28

the people that.. EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #29

If that is so, why was I BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #47

Obviously you are part of the conspiracy! randome Nov 2015 #52

LOL - BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #64

well EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #103

I for one welcome all views. WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2015 #177

c'mere EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #27

I can give this the ol' kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #30

why?? because most Democrats are pragmatic and not purists. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #32

. randome Nov 2015 #53

The guy who just got his ass kicked in the KY governors election was pragmatic and not a purist tularetom Nov 2015 #84

So show me the data on that comment. Phlem Nov 2015 #127

The "pragmatism" to which you refer is nothing more than defeatism. Maedhros Nov 2015 #135

A lot of people fell for the Bush/Powell/Rice/Media garbage... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #34

They were hustling us. We knew it. Millions of people knew it. Those who voted for it cannot pretend GoneFishin Nov 2015 #38

A Senator is not one of "A lot of people" Rilgin Nov 2015 #118

Thank you for the thoughtful post... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #154

My opinion is that she is aligns herself with money and power every time. Nameless, faceless voters GoneFishin Nov 2015 #35

and P. S. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #40

As long as there is discrimination, injustice and inequality, Establishment IS a Dirty word Demeter Nov 2015 #42

Again, your saying so doesn't make it so. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #44

it's not just Demeter's opinion grasswire Nov 2015 #145

In present circumstances, establishment IS a dirty word dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #110

Well said! Thank you. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #137

Yep Thespian2 Nov 2015 #139

Calling traditional Democratic ideals "purists" is insulting and stupid. Maedhros Nov 2015 #136

+10 !! (NT) PosterChild Nov 2015 #191

There is no such thing as a "purist" in the real world. bvar22 Nov 2015 #210

K&R in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #43

Some people may remember what happened skepticscott Nov 2015 #46

+1 gollygee Nov 2015 #61

Some people may remember that the establishment has disenfranchised millions of blacks.. Fumesucker Nov 2015 #69

voters have a right to their vote restorefreedom Nov 2015 #75

Do you remember what happened when 200,000+ registered Dems in FL voted for Bush? frylock Nov 2015 #113

The thing that infuriates me about that election Mnpaul Nov 2015 #173

I was rather infuriated about that myself.. frylock Nov 2015 #175

It is interesting that you BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #48

Wait..... a white male who has served in Congress for 25+ years is not "establishment"? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #51

Who has by far the greater number of establishment endorsements? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #57

No apparently not. Go figure. Agschmid Nov 2015 #97

Why is establishment limited solely to physical characteristics? frylock Nov 2015 #115

Shhh, don't remind them shenmue Nov 2015 #123

No, because Bernie Sanders has voted against establishment bills. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #189

I think you're stirring the pot for sport. Vinca Nov 2015 #54

I wouldn't have written this OP but for the near hourly loyalty oath posts.. Fumesucker Nov 2015 #58

In this site's history, being a Democrat WAS being a bit underground gollygee Nov 2015 #55

Then why would we consider someone who was fooled by GWB as a good candidate? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #59

She isn't my candidate gollygee Nov 2015 #60

I am undecided (so far) and refuse to be dictated to DFW Nov 2015 #56

I'd say that a "corporatist" candidate is easily identified. Maedhros Nov 2015 #138

About as easily as a saphrexotist candidate, I'd say DFW Nov 2015 #206

How about "bought and paid for" instead? [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #207

The tone of this thread really blows out the ass nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #62

You don't say... Fumesucker Nov 2015 #63

This thread is also very childish, but you know that too nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #65

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional Fumesucker Nov 2015 #66

And another self proclaimed High Priest of Liberalism ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #67

I'm glad you are comfortable with a candidate who was fooled by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Fumesucker Nov 2015 #72

I see self righteousness for what it is. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #78

Bless your heart Fumesucker Nov 2015 #80

Thank you Father for your blessings. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #82

Yep shenmue Nov 2015 #126

Results : LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #68

I was the alerter and I have something to say to Juror 7 BootinUp Nov 2015 #71

Shhhh ..... you support HER ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #172

And another one misses the point. . . Bleacher Creature Nov 2015 #73

Where did I say anthing about the general? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #74

So what did you mean? There are only two options. Bleacher Creature Nov 2015 #102

Considering Skinner is a professed Clinton supporter, why don't you ask him what the U in DU means? Godhumor Nov 2015 #76

Don't waste your time, the poster has already admitted BootinUp Nov 2015 #77

It's his business Fumesucker Nov 2015 #81

Not when a remote chance he loses 90% of his traffic here n/tn Godhumor Nov 2015 #83

Well, he does have Discussionist... Fumesucker Nov 2015 #86

Things will pick up here once the angry socialists abandon ship. DCBob Nov 2015 #98

you and the other hundred will have a swell time, eh nt grasswire Nov 2015 #146

I think you are mistaken on the number of non-socialists here. DCBob Nov 2015 #150

Im guessing that without socialism ... GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #217

K&R aspirant Nov 2015 #88

If you aren't going to vote for a Democrat why are you complaining about those of us.... Walk away Nov 2015 #89

Mainly to work against REPUBLICANS!!! Adrahil Nov 2015 #92

To prevent GOP takeover of the White House. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #93

+ 100000000 JoePhilly Nov 2015 #94

K n R! bbgrunt Nov 2015 #95

If this was "DemocraticUndermine" you would have a point. DCBob Nov 2015 #96

Thread winner!!!! Rec Sheepshank Nov 2015 #99

Good one Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2015 #203

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #101

The Establishment RobertEarl Nov 2015 #104

I PREDICT whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #116

One of the least thought out ops I have seen here. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #119

This is not Independent Underground shenmue Nov 2015 #129

K&R azmom Nov 2015 #122

Sanders voted for war funding shenmue Nov 2015 #125

Once in, the troupes had to be fed and cared for. Bernie did not want them in harms way in DhhD Nov 2015 #164

The "Underground" aspect is routinely pissed on here, by center-right posters.... villager Nov 2015 #128

Which of course... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #160

interesting attempt . olddots Nov 2015 #131

Democrats first, I guess HassleCat Nov 2015 #132

sad Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #134

For those of us who experienced the 60's, DU is not "underground" in that sense. jalan48 Nov 2015 #140

"Underground:" Does seem a tad bit peculiar. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #141

Because we are not falling for your "put a repuglican in the White House" shtick. IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #149

Is that what the primary process is about? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #162

shhhh. here we are, wendylaroux Nov 2015 #152

... SoapBox Nov 2015 #153

I'll vote for the nominee greymattermom Nov 2015 #156

Posted to for later entertainment. In the meantime ... Skinner! ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #157

eventually that which was 'underground' evolves and becomes establishment azurnoir Nov 2015 #158

I've been here since month 2 of DU Stuckinthebush Nov 2015 #159

Underground? Nah. Not anymore. It sort of was back in 2000. dinkytron Nov 2015 #161

Funny...DU wasn't around in 2000. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #163

I stand corrected, "Dear" Peggy. I should have written 2001. I came here just after dinkytron Nov 2015 #166

DEEP underground! stone space Nov 2015 #216

What an odd question... MineralMan Nov 2015 #165

Was there some application I was supposed to fill out? ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #171

I see what you did there paul ofnoclique Nov 2015 #176

I guess you just want an echo chamber like on Free Republic. Beacool Nov 2015 #178

This kind of post makes me sick! dem in texas Nov 2015 #181

According to Skinner, this site was never about fighting establishment Democrats Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #182

when did DU become so intolerant? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2015 #184

Why am I on Democratic Underground? 40RatRod Nov 2015 #185

Voting for the establishment candidate guarantees that ... DrBulldog Nov 2015 #186

Because this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Fringe Underground. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #187

I don't give a pass to anyone who voted for IWR Skittles Nov 2015 #188

Because the grammar Nazis on Free Republic are real Nazis. alfredo Nov 2015 #200

Bernie was not even a Democrat until just recently. RandySF Nov 2015 #201

Like gentrification, conservatives move in after liberals make a place livable, destroying whereisjustice Nov 2015 #205

'many of us have been in the wrong place for a long time'! Lots of people are wondering sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #212

I've been on this board Skidmore Nov 2015 #214