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36. No. What you are doing is Spin.

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The wording of the resolution had some ambiguity to allow some plausible deniability but every one with any awareness of politics or what was being asked knew it was a war vote. The slight wording ambiguity was only very slight. Everyone knew it was intended as a war vote. Both Hillary and Kerry and all the other democratic politicians made political decisions to not look weak rather than challenge the lies.

At the time of the war vote, there was opposition in the anti-war protests. There were also significant counter information to the Bush lies including challenges to the aluminum tube lie.

I can believe that he democrats that voted for the war believed that even though the evidence was manufactured, Saddam had WMD. Further, I can believe that these politicians made calculations that the war would be short and would not have the horrible consequences that it had. However, it is just spin that they did not know that the resolution was a war Vote and that Bush would interpret it as such and take us to war.

In Japan, honor is important, and such politicians would fall on their swords, real or proverbial. Even in this country, failure to be on the right side of such an important issue, would cause a politician to realize that the costs of such votes would and should be his or her ambitions. They could redeem themselves from these votes by becoming statespersons not by moving forward on the same political ambition that led to their voting wrong. However, these democrats do not have that type of honor. Instead ambition is everything and every wrong vote can be spun and justified.

Doma can be recast as a way to forestall a constitutional amendment. A vote brought by a war monger -- Bush -- clearly intended as a war vote can be recast and spun as being a diplomatic measure.