2016 Postmortem

DFW

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56. I am undecided (so far) and refuse to be dictated to

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:20 AM

Nov 2015

I will not be told I can't vote for a socialist, can't vote for an "establishment (whatever that means) candidate," "corporatist (whatever THAT means," or any long shot. I'm from the South, I get enough of this "I'm right and you're not" crap when I visit the States.

I would never tell anyone there's a Democrat (or Democratic-leaning independent, as the case may be) they "can't" vote for. Who the hell am I to dictate votes to others? And who the hell is anyone else to tell me anything similar?

If we nominate John Kasich or Marco Rubio, THEN you can tell me not to vote for our candidate. If it's Bernie, Hillary or O'Malley, I'll be voting for Bernie, Hillary or O'Malley. Listen to the Republican nominee give their acceptance speech, and if THAT isn't enough to make you think twice about sitting the election out, then fair enough.

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If you are going to vote for the establishment candidate why are you on Democratic Underground? [View all] Fumesucker Nov 2015 OP

look at what the people who started the site have to say about it JI7 Nov 2015 #1

Are you arguing DU wasn't against the Iraq War in 2002-2003? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #2

most democrats opposed the war in iraq JI7 Nov 2015 #3

Hillary didn't. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #5

Face reality. If Bernie loses nomination, vote for Hillary then pressure her to change bjobotts Nov 2015 #194

When I joined this site ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #4

It was about the unfairness of the system then as it is now. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #6

No one has changed sides. When this site came into being, the Bush family pnwmom Nov 2015 #8

Times change but ideals less so. Democrats weren't pushed underground they gave in. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #9

But what really hurts are the attacks from the left, they are the real enemies Fumesucker Nov 2015 #11

I get you, and where you're coming from. I hope most other DUers do too. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #15

I am pro-fumesucker, to remove any ambiguity. nt Electric Monk Nov 2015 #16

What Fumesucker said freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #143

Hillary will run her campaign the way she wants no matter what you do. upaloopa Nov 2015 #151

Any campaign should be about the people, not the politician. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #155

I guess that "loyalty thing" Mnpaul Nov 2015 #167

You are right. Anyway, many do not belong on this site. demosincebirth Nov 2015 #193

Did someone make you queen? freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #211

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ nt sunnystarr Nov 2015 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author sunnystarr Nov 2015 #14

RW attacks on Democrats are still banned. Left-wing attacks on above-ground Democrats yodermon Nov 2015 #90

RW attacks are NOT banned here. JTFrog Nov 2015 #105

Complete bull. Fearless Nov 2015 #170

I've noted this Dem2 Nov 2015 #144

Nancy. I'd rec your post a million times if I could NEDem Nov 2015 #168

Thanks, NEDem! NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #174

Yep NEDem Nov 2015 #183

Completely disagree. Fearless Nov 2015 #169

DU started ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #192

The problem is that you think you're to the left of those you disagree with Fearless Nov 2015 #197

The real problem is ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #198

I'm sorry what is right and what is left isn't up for debate. Fearless Nov 2015 #199

+10 million!!!! Nt riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #202

In the words of Will Rogers alfredo Nov 2015 #179

only partially.After all..you're here, I'm here and many many others bjobotts Nov 2015 #196

The owner of the site identifies it as a place for promoting Democrats. Maybe you should ask him. pnwmom Nov 2015 #7

I don't understand how anyone could vote for the Iraq War!!!!! nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #10

I don't understand ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #37

That isn't a proper retort. kenfrequed Nov 2015 #85

I am now ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #106

The Russians would agree. A War with afganistan is historically stupid. bravenak Nov 2015 #109

bvar22 agrees with you and Maxine Waters (The ONLY Dem "NO" Vote on Afghanistan). bvar22 Nov 2015 #111

You know, we did pretty much drop pallets of $100 bills. But most ended up in Chalabi's pockets and leveymg Nov 2015 #114

I'm not talking about the "commercial side" of a war. bvar22 Nov 2015 #117

I'm with you on most of that, but US special ops fought shoulder to shoulder with UBL in Kosovo. leveymg Nov 2015 #121

Well, Afghanistan was promised a "carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #208

Not a proper retort? stone space Nov 2015 #215

Oddly enough, people, like businesses have minds of their own Fumesucker Nov 2015 #12

The wording of the Iraq War Resolution was this DFW Nov 2015 #17

"This is Another Gulf of Tonkin Resolution" - Senator Robert Byrd jfern Nov 2015 #19

Gulf of Tonkin sucked too DFW Nov 2015 #20

No. What you are doing is Spin. Rilgin Nov 2015 #36

well said. nt bbgrunt Nov 2015 #91

Absolutely right on dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #107

If Kerry and Hillary and Obama are blameless, WHY ARE WE STILL THERE? Demeter Nov 2015 #41

No one is totally "blameless" DFW Nov 2015 #45

We are not cleaning up at all dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #108

Somebody posted video of Hillary's speech when she voted. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #79

that statement of her sounds oddly like Condoleezza Rice's famous... grasswire Nov 2015 #142

What Hillary did was worse. She voted for it because she thought it would help her become President. Dawgs Nov 2015 #87

...+1 840high Nov 2015 #204

IWR was a popularity contest Bernin4U Nov 2015 #100

Kerry said in a debate that he would've gone into Iraq had he been prez at the time. arcane1 Nov 2015 #133

the idea that anyone would vote to give that power to DUBYA AND CHENEY Skittles Nov 2015 #190

Some people don't really care about facts. uberblonde Nov 2015 #195

Yes. That excuse MUST be IT!!! bvar22 Nov 2015 #209

Bullshit melman Nov 2015 #213

Because Skinner is an HRC supporter JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #18

His business, actually Fumesucker Nov 2015 #22

Majority of active posters are pro-Bernie & ergo major source of DU revenue. Divernan Nov 2015 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Nov 2015 #112

What would that accomplish? fbc Nov 2015 #130

HR's offensive supporters? Beacool Nov 2015 #180

You made a good point Andy823 Nov 2015 #148

because you're wrong about the site's purpose? wyldwolf Nov 2015 #21

We were all naive back then, yes? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #31

If anyone thinks a message forum is a truly 'underground' vehicle for change... wyldwolf Nov 2015 #33

I'm not the one who named it Fumesucker Nov 2015 #49

No, but the one who did STILL differs with your representation of it. wyldwolf Nov 2015 #218

I had no clue we would elect a democratic president who would let 7 million families be thrown into jtuck004 Nov 2015 #39

Why is an unrealistic purist here? This is not just for the ultra-left, but you can be here. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #23

I'm glad you are comfortable with a candidate who was fooled by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Fumesucker Nov 2015 #24

Commodity Futures Modernization Act nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #120

The OP is ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #70

They like Independents, they don't like Democrats shenmue Nov 2015 #124

You sound like some sort of corporatist warmonger. Dem2 Nov 2015 #147

K&R Paka Nov 2015 #25

Why are you trying to be NON-democratic and stop others from being here? That's INSANE. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #26

Where did the term "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" come from? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #28

the people that.. EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #29

If that is so, why was I BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #47

Obviously you are part of the conspiracy! randome Nov 2015 #52

LOL - BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #64

well EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #103

I for one welcome all views. WHEN CRABS ROAR Nov 2015 #177

c'mere EdwardBernays Nov 2015 #27

I can give this the ol' kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #30

why?? because most Democrats are pragmatic and not purists. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #32

. randome Nov 2015 #53

The guy who just got his ass kicked in the KY governors election was pragmatic and not a purist tularetom Nov 2015 #84

So show me the data on that comment. Phlem Nov 2015 #127

The "pragmatism" to which you refer is nothing more than defeatism. Maedhros Nov 2015 #135

A lot of people fell for the Bush/Powell/Rice/Media garbage... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #34

They were hustling us. We knew it. Millions of people knew it. Those who voted for it cannot pretend GoneFishin Nov 2015 #38

A Senator is not one of "A lot of people" Rilgin Nov 2015 #118

Thank you for the thoughtful post... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #154

My opinion is that she is aligns herself with money and power every time. Nameless, faceless voters GoneFishin Nov 2015 #35

and P. S. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #40

As long as there is discrimination, injustice and inequality, Establishment IS a Dirty word Demeter Nov 2015 #42

Again, your saying so doesn't make it so. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #44

it's not just Demeter's opinion grasswire Nov 2015 #145

In present circumstances, establishment IS a dirty word dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #110

Well said! Thank you. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #137

Yep Thespian2 Nov 2015 #139

Calling traditional Democratic ideals "purists" is insulting and stupid. Maedhros Nov 2015 #136

+10 !! (NT) PosterChild Nov 2015 #191

There is no such thing as a "purist" in the real world. bvar22 Nov 2015 #210

K&R in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #43

Some people may remember what happened skepticscott Nov 2015 #46

+1 gollygee Nov 2015 #61

Some people may remember that the establishment has disenfranchised millions of blacks.. Fumesucker Nov 2015 #69

voters have a right to their vote restorefreedom Nov 2015 #75

Do you remember what happened when 200,000+ registered Dems in FL voted for Bush? frylock Nov 2015 #113

The thing that infuriates me about that election Mnpaul Nov 2015 #173

I was rather infuriated about that myself.. frylock Nov 2015 #175

It is interesting that you BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #48

Wait..... a white male who has served in Congress for 25+ years is not "establishment"? (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #51

Who has by far the greater number of establishment endorsements? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #57

No apparently not. Go figure. Agschmid Nov 2015 #97

Why is establishment limited solely to physical characteristics? frylock Nov 2015 #115

Shhh, don't remind them shenmue Nov 2015 #123

No, because Bernie Sanders has voted against establishment bills. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #189

I think you're stirring the pot for sport. Vinca Nov 2015 #54

I wouldn't have written this OP but for the near hourly loyalty oath posts.. Fumesucker Nov 2015 #58

In this site's history, being a Democrat WAS being a bit underground gollygee Nov 2015 #55

Then why would we consider someone who was fooled by GWB as a good candidate? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #59

She isn't my candidate gollygee Nov 2015 #60

I am undecided (so far) and refuse to be dictated to DFW Nov 2015 #56

I'd say that a "corporatist" candidate is easily identified. Maedhros Nov 2015 #138

About as easily as a saphrexotist candidate, I'd say DFW Nov 2015 #206

How about "bought and paid for" instead? [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #207

The tone of this thread really blows out the ass nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #62

You don't say... Fumesucker Nov 2015 #63

This thread is also very childish, but you know that too nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #65

Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional Fumesucker Nov 2015 #66

And another self proclaimed High Priest of Liberalism ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #67

I'm glad you are comfortable with a candidate who was fooled by the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Fumesucker Nov 2015 #72

I see self righteousness for what it is. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #78

Bless your heart Fumesucker Nov 2015 #80

Thank you Father for your blessings. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #82

Yep shenmue Nov 2015 #126

Results : LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #68

I was the alerter and I have something to say to Juror 7 BootinUp Nov 2015 #71

Shhhh ..... you support HER ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #172

And another one misses the point. . . Bleacher Creature Nov 2015 #73

Where did I say anthing about the general? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #74

So what did you mean? There are only two options. Bleacher Creature Nov 2015 #102

Considering Skinner is a professed Clinton supporter, why don't you ask him what the U in DU means? Godhumor Nov 2015 #76

Don't waste your time, the poster has already admitted BootinUp Nov 2015 #77

It's his business Fumesucker Nov 2015 #81

Not when a remote chance he loses 90% of his traffic here n/tn Godhumor Nov 2015 #83

Well, he does have Discussionist... Fumesucker Nov 2015 #86

Things will pick up here once the angry socialists abandon ship. DCBob Nov 2015 #98

you and the other hundred will have a swell time, eh nt grasswire Nov 2015 #146

I think you are mistaken on the number of non-socialists here. DCBob Nov 2015 #150

Im guessing that without socialism ... GeorgeGist Nov 2015 #217

K&R aspirant Nov 2015 #88

If you aren't going to vote for a Democrat why are you complaining about those of us.... Walk away Nov 2015 #89

Mainly to work against REPUBLICANS!!! Adrahil Nov 2015 #92

To prevent GOP takeover of the White House. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #93

+ 100000000 JoePhilly Nov 2015 #94

K n R! bbgrunt Nov 2015 #95

If this was "DemocraticUndermine" you would have a point. DCBob Nov 2015 #96

Thread winner!!!! Rec Sheepshank Nov 2015 #99

Good one Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2015 #203

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #101

The Establishment RobertEarl Nov 2015 #104

I PREDICT whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #116

One of the least thought out ops I have seen here. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #119

This is not Independent Underground shenmue Nov 2015 #129

K&R azmom Nov 2015 #122

Sanders voted for war funding shenmue Nov 2015 #125

Once in, the troupes had to be fed and cared for. Bernie did not want them in harms way in DhhD Nov 2015 #164

The "Underground" aspect is routinely pissed on here, by center-right posters.... villager Nov 2015 #128

Which of course... malokvale77 Nov 2015 #160

interesting attempt . olddots Nov 2015 #131

Democrats first, I guess HassleCat Nov 2015 #132

sad Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #134

For those of us who experienced the 60's, DU is not "underground" in that sense. jalan48 Nov 2015 #140

"Underground:" Does seem a tad bit peculiar. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #141

Because we are not falling for your "put a repuglican in the White House" shtick. IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #149

Is that what the primary process is about? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #162

shhhh. here we are, wendylaroux Nov 2015 #152

... SoapBox Nov 2015 #153

I'll vote for the nominee greymattermom Nov 2015 #156

Posted to for later entertainment. In the meantime ... Skinner! ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #157

eventually that which was 'underground' evolves and becomes establishment azurnoir Nov 2015 #158

I've been here since month 2 of DU Stuckinthebush Nov 2015 #159

Underground? Nah. Not anymore. It sort of was back in 2000. dinkytron Nov 2015 #161

Funny...DU wasn't around in 2000. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #163

I stand corrected, "Dear" Peggy. I should have written 2001. I came here just after dinkytron Nov 2015 #166

DEEP underground! stone space Nov 2015 #216

What an odd question... MineralMan Nov 2015 #165

Was there some application I was supposed to fill out? ronnykmarshall Nov 2015 #171

I see what you did there paul ofnoclique Nov 2015 #176

I guess you just want an echo chamber like on Free Republic. Beacool Nov 2015 #178

This kind of post makes me sick! dem in texas Nov 2015 #181

According to Skinner, this site was never about fighting establishment Democrats Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #182

when did DU become so intolerant? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2015 #184

Why am I on Democratic Underground? 40RatRod Nov 2015 #185

Voting for the establishment candidate guarantees that ... DrBulldog Nov 2015 #186

Because this is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Fringe Underground. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #187

I don't give a pass to anyone who voted for IWR Skittles Nov 2015 #188

Because the grammar Nazis on Free Republic are real Nazis. alfredo Nov 2015 #200

Bernie was not even a Democrat until just recently. RandySF Nov 2015 #201

Like gentrification, conservatives move in after liberals make a place livable, destroying whereisjustice Nov 2015 #205

'many of us have been in the wrong place for a long time'! Lots of people are wondering sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #212

I've been on this board Skidmore Nov 2015 #214