2016 Postmortem

Armstead

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120. So am I

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:15 PM

Nov 2015

The Clintons DLC and their big money allies and the GOP were very effective an ramming things through that were not good for us. People like Bernie, Wellstone and others who tried to stop bad things were steamrolled by Big Money, Big Power and Big Media.

Bernie isn't Superman. No he wasn't effective at single handidly stopping crap that Big Money/Power pushed through.

No matter that they effectively screwed us up royally ( see a monopolistic economy, crash of 2008, falling middle/class working class,concentration of wealth at the top, deserted industrial cities, poor thrown to wolves, etc.).

Difference now is that things got so bad that more people are waking up to the bullshit, and challenging it in greater numbers. Big Money and Big Power don;t want to let go of their grip

That's what this is about. Not how many goddamn bills Bernie was able to push through a bought and sold Congress.

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Hillary big winner in Democratic Forum [View all] Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 OP

She did fine, continued to appear thoughtful and presidential, and she will win the nomination. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #1

She did fine if you don't want substance. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #3

You think Ben Carson looks presidential?? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #5

The *Polls* show the GOP does Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #38

We're not Republicans. YOU said he looked presidential. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #42

Show me where I said he looks presidential Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #61

Yeah, I remember that crap about people SheilaT Nov 2015 #73

Ditto on the O'Malley Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #77

Bernie would be nursing beer. Armstead Nov 2015 #87

Yeah Plucketeer Nov 2015 #84

Whow-a post full of hate. Nothing new from you though. riversedge Nov 2015 #2

No hate. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #7

My husband says she's a Awknid Nov 2015 #57

She is a follower Bernie-2016 Nov 2015 #140

Hate? earthside Nov 2015 #10

Some seek to drag the discourse down... Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #15

Your post Skidmore Nov 2015 #29

The Emperor wears no clothes Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #41

? Skidmore Nov 2015 #59

Nobody who uses "lulz" as part of their "politician critique" NuclearDem Nov 2015 #40

Oh really? What page and paragraph in the handbook is that rule found? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #44

No rulebook. It's just not expected from somebody over the age of 15. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #55

Again, the expected rules handbook. aspirant Nov 2015 #58

Thank you. (y) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #119

Please read "Confession from a Hillary Shill" by Le Taz Hot in the following link: Cal33 Nov 2015 #94

You mean the story that was deleted by the Reddit moderators when the poster NuclearDem Nov 2015 #118

I haven't read the post you're talking about, but this one looks like a good enough evidence. Cal33 Nov 2015 #125

I thought only Fox Viewers believed everything they read on the internet or were spoon fed. JTFrog Nov 2015 #128

At the risk of being a bit SheilaT Nov 2015 #76

In response to a lengthy, snarky post dissing Bernie voters yesterday, I mentioned that LibDemAlways Nov 2015 #114

To you, anyone who mentions some negative aspects of Hillary must be "full of hate." Not Cal33 Nov 2015 #85

Hate? More like the truth... coyote Nov 2015 #90

A year before the financial crisis she brought numerous bills to the floor. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #4

But she FAILED to effect meaningful leadership Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #9

Bernie's been in govt 40 years... How has he... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #12

You rationalize Hillary's FAIL, by draging Bernie into the discussion Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #18

You failed to do your homework so now you're moving goal posts. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #30

Bernie fighting to stop Wall St. excesses? You can start in the 1990's Armstead Nov 2015 #37

And we're talking about effectiveness. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #45

Wall St REGULATES Congress. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #51

Still moving those goal posts! Bernie: 40 years in govt. 0 effect. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #53

Hills presents bills and the economy crashes aspirant Nov 2015 #60

She had Bush to deal with. What's Bernie's excuse for... JaneyVee Nov 2015 #91

Aren't Bush and Clinton buddies? aspirant Nov 2015 #95

So am I Armstead Nov 2015 #120

Still cannot show any Hillary accomplisments? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #46

40 years. Zero effectiveness. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #50

So there are NO Hillary Successes to post up? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #52

You first. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #54

The "Champion" has no successes and "no clothes" aspirant Nov 2015 #62

THey certainly do... Historic NY Nov 2015 #81

"She's *winning*" ..... Looking at the polls and trends, I'd say you're correct. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #6

Winning is correct. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #8

Ah, the ole, "polls" retort Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #11

Actually, polling is very accurate. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #14

Now, Janey, how can they be accurate if they don't come from Reddit? leftofcool Nov 2015 #21

Chuckle. riversedge Nov 2015 #39

giggle, giggle aspirant Nov 2015 #65

Because they come from the corrupt MSM aspirant Nov 2015 #64

Very accurate under what definition? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #22

Very accurate as in +/-4 margin of error. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #35

For any who are interested, Obama vs Hillary POLL trendlines... Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #66

It's not 2007. Bernie is not Obama. (And Hillary is MUCH stronger than before.) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #79

OK, whatever lol Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #93

Like the Kentucky polls? aspirant Nov 2015 #63

Depends on the organization. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #80

Which pollsters are "scientific" aspirant Nov 2015 #86

I know you're trying to be serious, but it's actually very amusing. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #23

Illustrating the absurd with absurdity? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #34

I understand how denying the validity of scientific poll trends would be of great comfort to you. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #43

"scientific" verify, replicate and prove it. aspirant Nov 2015 #67

Good advice for pollsters. (I'm not a pollster.) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #70

But you advocate for your friendly pollster aspirant Nov 2015 #74

Scientifically valid is not the same are accurate Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #72

A silly example, but I understand what you're saying. I always have. But it's wishful thinking. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #97

Then prove your polls are right aspirant Nov 2015 #102

If there is desperation, it's about Hillary losing, AGAIN Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #107

You don't change "bedrock principles" aspirant Nov 2015 #109

None of this matters. (Well, I'm sure it matters to you.) However � NurseJackie Nov 2015 #111

Broken record. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #112

You are selectively looking at polls yourself Armstead Nov 2015 #121

"A survey of 1000 people is NO MEASURE of millions." NuclearDem Nov 2015 #49

Prove any poll is "scientific" aspirant Nov 2015 #69

Benchmarks, weighting, sample bias.... Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #88

You know, I tried. I really tried to help you with your baffling beliefs when it comes to statistics Godhumor Nov 2015 #113

OK, lets start a thread hich speaking to political polling Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #124

People also elected Reagan -- does that mean he is a "winner" Hepburn Nov 2015 #13

As in "he won the election"? Yes, yes he is. COLGATE4 Nov 2015 #16

Well, Saint Ronny did *appear* presidential! Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #25

It was his "Gumby" hair cut, right? n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #47

Who do unions support? .@HillaryClinton overwhelmingly! Hillary is the choice of labor! riversedge Nov 2015 #20

BZZZZ, wrong, Union LEADERS support Hillary NOT labor Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #26

I'm a union member, surrounded by union members at my job. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #32

What job is that? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #96

Well Said - HRC - The Biggest Loser cantbeserious Nov 2015 #17

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz leftofcool Nov 2015 #19

Refreshing that @HillaryClinton didn't need to attack or otherwise mention Sanders or O'Malley to ma riversedge Nov 2015 #24

Not so good she tossed many words without substance Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #28

So sorry you were tuned into your Recording of the last Republican debate. But good news... riversedge Nov 2015 #31

Why? do you earn points for posts? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #27

I will join you....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....wake me up when someone has a proper analysis not laden Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #92

Because power point presentations = *presidential* Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #98

What equals Presidential to folks? Educating the folks is a good idea...visual aides are actually a Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #99

Lulz Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #103

Can you link it, I missed it Reter Nov 2015 #33

she just spouts platitudes TheFarseer Nov 2015 #48

^^^^ You get it ^^^^ Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #56

No solutions = Non-Presidential aspirant Nov 2015 #71

Exactly Auggie Nov 2015 #68

... ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #75

The rolling around... quickesst Nov 2015 #78

By every measure I can judge, Hillary Clinton is an INTJ personality type. Volaris Nov 2015 #82

I was thinking Narcissist Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #100

You dislike another Democrat that much? treestar Nov 2015 #130

Hillary has been the big winner UglyGreed Nov 2015 #83

Sounds like you could use some ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #89

Wow, you actually made an effort to post THAT? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #101

Seemed like you might need at least a full bottle JoePhilly Nov 2015 #132

For Christ sakes! What a counter productive post!!!! longship Nov 2015 #104

And you are being helpful how? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #108

By encouraging people to engage in reasonable discussion. longship Nov 2015 #110

I don't think there were any winners or losers. Vinca Nov 2015 #105

Gosh...but she sure is the SoapBox Nov 2015 #106

This is what happens when people worship a candidate and that candidate is losing badly... Walk away Nov 2015 #115

I hope this CosmicKitten is not an example of a typical Sanders voter Tarc Nov 2015 #116

HA! :-) Endless haikus, perhaps. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #117

These personal smears are nasty. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #123

but it's OK to do that to Hillary treestar Nov 2015 #131

You have been saying terrible, unfounded, vile things in this forum for quite awhile now Tarc Nov 2015 #135

Exactly. JTFrog Nov 2015 #136

Meh, I rather laugh all the way to the nomination. Beacool Nov 2015 #122

Remarkable there are no examples of Hillary presenting any SUBSTANCE? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #126

Substantive replies are generally saved for substantive OP's. (If you get my drift.) NurseJackie Nov 2015 #127

My method has been to not participate in posts that are argumentative and confrontational... mak3cats Nov 2015 #133

I admire you for that. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #134

Jury results on the OP... mak3cats Nov 2015 #129

So you aren't tired of the vile hate filled posts directed at candidates and their supporters, JTFrog Nov 2015 #137

Yes, I'm even MORE tired of those... mak3cats Nov 2015 #138

Well, this wouldn't get kicked if it had been hidden. JTFrog Nov 2015 #139