2016 Postmortem

demwing

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117. Do you think Hillary will have an easier time working with the GOP

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:40 PM

Nov 2015

She is hated by the GOP. And no we don't pick our candidates according to the GOP whim, but we are discussing whether Hillary would be more or less effective than Bernie.

Her ideas are tepid, and when you don't try for big reforms, you don't end up with big reforms. Your goal defines your negotiating starting pint, and your starting point often determines your ending point.

Hillary will start in the middle and negotiate to the right, ending up to the right of middle.

Bernie will start with Socialism, negotiate to the right, and end up with the whole damned Democratic Party platform in legislation.

And don't get me started on coat tails, Hillary has none. Our best bet for changing the dynamic in Congress is by sending Bernie to the GE, not Hillary.

Bernie gets a million donations, Hillary gets a millionaire's donation. Major difference.

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If Bernie is not accepted here as a Democrat [View all] UglyGreed Nov 2015 OP

don't be ridiculous! marym625 Nov 2015 #1

Silly me UglyGreed Nov 2015 #45

haha! marym625 Nov 2015 #47

Aside from Bernie voting Democrat from one side Hortensis Nov 2015 #89

Apparently, only till the people put the "Big tent" to the big test demwing Nov 2015 #91

Sorry. Sounds like you're having a bad election season. Hortensis Nov 2015 #95

Why's that? My candidate kicks butt! demwing Nov 2015 #102

We are together in that. I'm very glad Bernie Hortensis Nov 2015 #103

So vote for the workers of the party demwing Nov 2015 #105

I've said before I will IF he becomes the best candidate Hortensis Nov 2015 #108

Which ever candidate we send to the GE is going to win demwing Nov 2015 #109

All our candidates believe in tacking our national problems in a big Hortensis Nov 2015 #113

Do you think Hillary will have an easier time working with the GOP demwing Nov 2015 #117

We see no signs that the GOP will not be as committed to Hortensis Nov 2015 #119

Lol..."tedious yada over Hillary" - I agree! demwing Nov 2015 #120

What qualifies someone to be a Democrat? sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #100

You register with the party. Same as being a Republican. Hortensis Nov 2015 #101

I hope it does become an issue in NH. I can't think of anything that would be more foolish sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #104

Frivolous imaginary battles, to my mind. If the attorneys Hortensis Nov 2015 #112

“I’m a Democrat and should be on the ballot, I don’t think I need to say too much more,” ... Kalidurga Nov 2015 #128

Oh, he did file. No surprise, of course. Thanks, Kalidurga. Hortensis Nov 2015 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author William769 Nov 2015 #75

Bernie is accepted everywhere as a Democrat, no problem...but on the issues, which is what Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #2

He is absolutely accepted by the majority of Americans. It's DU Hillary supporters that won't accept cui bono Nov 2015 #5

Running as a Democrat does not make him one. He'd be the first to tell you that. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #22

It does in this primary. cui bono Nov 2015 #29

He's running AS a Democrat. He's not one. That's pretty simple, too. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #49

I vote AS a Democrat every election. blackspade Nov 2015 #53

Are you registered as a Democrat? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #65

What about Jessie Jackson? bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #69

Is he running for president? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #70

He was at the time. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #73

I noted DemocratS not "a Democrat". BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #86

Ah, I get it. Labels are what concern you. blackspade Nov 2015 #79

You *can* see it that way - OR - you can say that you have enough BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #83

That's a lie that BS has never stumped for anyone. Chuy Garcia riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #106

So then explain to me how he goes about registering as a Democrat in Vermont. cui bono Nov 2015 #55

It's not that he hasn't registered as a Democrat. It's that he's SAID, again and again, BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #66

“I am running as a Democrat, obviously,” Sanders told reporters. “I am a Democrat now.” Live and Learn Nov 2015 #71

Political expediency? That's how I see it. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #84

The post is still false. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #88

Opinion isn't fact. But thanks for opining. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #93

It wasn't an opinion. It is a fact. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #97

So you choose to ignore that he SAID he's running as a Democrat. Which makes it so. cui bono Nov 2015 #77

Browbeating a registered Democratic voter into believing that Sanders has become BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #85

So now presenting facts is browbeating. cui bono Nov 2015 #115

What, praytell, IS a Democrat? Armstead Nov 2015 #58

That's an amazing take and a great fucking question. Capn Sunshine Nov 2015 #68

When will be "the right time"? nt TBF Nov 2015 #90

The data do not support this conclusion Android3.14 Nov 2015 #130

W has one as well. trumad Nov 2015 #3

Such a flattering one to UglyGreed Nov 2015 #6

The point is--- trumad Nov 2015 #11

Then why do you have UglyGreed Nov 2015 #12

To fuck with the BS'ers. trumad Nov 2015 #13

LOL UglyGreed Nov 2015 #15

Good Idea bravenak Nov 2015 #51

Choosing a particular avatar and the site having the avatar are different things. cui bono Nov 2015 #32

Here's one for you since UglyGreed Nov 2015 #14

If avatars don't mean shit then why are you posting about them? leftofcool Nov 2015 #16

Follow the thread please UglyGreed Nov 2015 #18

I agree with you on this, the site has sports team avatars as well and that doesn't mean anything cui bono Nov 2015 #34

deep acceptance and meaning to avatars and icons? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #4

Well many people UglyGreed Nov 2015 #9

but because it's an avatar option on DU, it means something significant? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #25

don't get me started on whether you thunked demwing Nov 2015 #92

deep acceptance of labels over meanings? senz Nov 2015 #99

Please show me where you and I have not accepted him as a democrat. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #7

He wasn't until yesterday.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #8

Socialist and Democrat are not mutually exclusive. blackspade Nov 2015 #80

There are Socialist Democrats and Democratic Socialists VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #107

Again, you are mixing a political party with economic theory. blackspade Nov 2015 #123

No I am not VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #124

You can still be a Democratic Socialist and a Democrat. blackspade Nov 2015 #129

No you cannot VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #134

If Sanders had not run as a Democrat he would have run as an independent, and then what? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #135

Now we dont have to worry about that VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #137

But then again Democrats would have struggled much more to win back the WH. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #140

No sir..disagree.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #145

What are you talking about? blackspade Nov 2015 #143

Did he or did he not have to SAY he is now a VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author Kentonio Nov 2015 #133

Sanders is now a Democrat, having beocme a Democrat when decided to run for the Democratic Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #10

And just 6 yrs ago he called himself a flat out Socialist....no couching it with the word Democrat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #19

Yes, you are right. But the rules of the Democratic Party are fine with it. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #59

NO they weren't UNTIL yesterday when he was FORCED to become one of us... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #61

It was New Hampshire state law that had the problem, not the Democratic Party. See the relevant link Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #63

I am right and now VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #74

The states have the constitutional power to manage elections. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #121

Exactly....that is what I said VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #122

And Hillary use to be a Republican. Which is worse? Live and Learn Nov 2015 #72

When was she a republican, before she was eligible to vote? Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #131

That is news to me...gonna have to back that up...or change the laughing emoticon. Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #136

Bernie announced **yesterday** while registering in NH that he was now a Democrat Sheepshank Nov 2015 #52

You are right, but the Democratic Party rules do not require him to be a Democrat. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #60

Yes, he could have joined any time. This recent capitulationis not genuine imho Sheepshank Nov 2015 #62

I agree. I suspect the will retun to indepedance if and when he looses. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #64

Holy shit! Avatargate! leftofcool Nov 2015 #17

IMO it's better than UglyGreed Nov 2015 #33

Can Bernie Sanders Win the Love of a Party He Scorns? workinclasszero Nov 2015 #20

I don't feel scorned. blackspade Nov 2015 #81

"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat". Bernie Sanders workinclasszero Nov 2015 #21

He is represented here UglyGreed Nov 2015 #24

That doesn't change the fact that Bernie has held the democratic party workinclasszero Nov 2015 #26

He is a better representative of UglyGreed Nov 2015 #31

As soon as Bernie loses the democratic party nomination workinclasszero Nov 2015 #36

If you were an informed Democrat you would be aware that Bernie is one of 5 co-founders of Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #41

Bernie Sanders quotes: workinclasszero Nov 2015 #44

How is that hate? I'm a second generation Democrat and I think the Party is ideologically bankrupt Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #46

No. The Democratic Party doesn't subscribe to straight socialism. Bernie does. That's why he calls BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #48

True. He's a democratic socialist. That should surprise no one. Avalux Nov 2015 #67

You can also get a Lincoln avatar... SidDithers Nov 2015 #23

Really stretching it UglyGreed Nov 2015 #27

Nelson Mandela?... SidDithers Nov 2015 #28

DU under 'Topics' has 'Democrats' and under 'Democrats' comes 'Bernie Sanders' and always Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #38

Incorrect Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #50

The 'not a Democrat' routine is a handful of cranks who take issue with the opinion of the DNC Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #30

The DNC and the Democratic Party has accepted Sanders as a Dem. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #35

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #37

No response from BlueCaliDem and not a peep from her cohort which lends silent approval Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #40

In other words, Bernie thinks for himself and not as part of a herd. -none Nov 2015 #138

President Obama doesn't think for himself? Nancy Pelosi doesn't think for herself? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #142

Bernie just wants to be a Democrat when it's convenient to him moobu2 Nov 2015 #39

And as soon as he is done using the party for his own ends workinclasszero Nov 2015 #42

OMG... you guys get more and more hilarious. cui bono Nov 2015 #78

That is some shit there... blackspade Nov 2015 #82

Party over policy! pinebox Nov 2015 #43

Truth, truth, truth and truth! senz Nov 2015 #96

I'd like to bookmark your comment here on DU senz Nov 2015 #110

Interesting, it seems to be gone pinebox Nov 2015 #111

And yet my bookmarks are intact. senz Nov 2015 #118

+ all. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #132

Because he is a small d democrat AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #54

I hope you are UglyGreed Nov 2015 #56

Which is why they want to shield the public from his message AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #57

This is why the "Third Way" is a new and different party. senz Nov 2015 #98

Bush's Icon has been here for years and he's not in the Democratic party. William769 Nov 2015 #76

1000 views UglyGreed Nov 2015 #87

How much is that worth? JTFrog Nov 2015 #141

Under Vermont law, Bernie is a Democrat. That is dispositive and all that is relevant. merrily Nov 2015 #94

... Skidmore Nov 2015 #114

It may be a bit peculiar to run for the nomination as an Independent Tarc Nov 2015 #116

It's one of the ugly bullshit lies that some Clinton supporters peddle on DU davidpdx Nov 2015 #125

Personally... 99Forever Nov 2015 #126

He has voted as a Democrat more than Hillary sellitman Nov 2015 #127