2016 Postmortem

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts) Sat Nov 7, 2015, 08:10 PM Nov 2015

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Sorry, I don't care much what Bernie says [View all]

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Nor do I care what Hillary says, nor what most other people say when they're running for office.

In the case of politicians who've been around a while, they have records. If their record is consistant, I will count on it to remain consistent once elected. If their record shows that they coincidentally change their position whenever it's coincidentally politically or monetarily convenient to do so, I will count on that to remain consistent once elected.

Positions today? Just one data point of many.

(And if they don't have much of a track record... they should be given an opportunity to get more of a track record before being given the most powerful office on Earth.)

In any case, it seems to me that the clear way forward is clear.

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Sorry, I don't care much what Bernie says [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP

Sorry, you are a person, who would look up sadoldgirl Nov 2015 #1

It's really very simple, isn't it? All the noise and all the talking points TRY to complicate it, sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #2

A lack of record is why Obama was encouraged to azmom Nov 2015 #3

Seems so easy, wendylaroux Nov 2015 #4

Because they'd prefer a different result. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #5

That dang bug drives me nuts. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #6

What? jeff47 Nov 2015 #7

That is the thing about trying to squash a real political movement. wilsonbooks Nov 2015 #9

Yes but in this case my laptop screen is in danger. We had a great tomato crop rhett o rick Nov 2015 #14

How do I get... Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #19

I am not the best at this but if you right click on the image and view "image info" rhett o rick Nov 2015 #22

Pop into your profile and copy this in: Hydra Nov 2015 #23

Thank you both! Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #28

Ban The Bug! NonMetro Nov 2015 #71

It's our show of unity Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #73

The bug certainly has more integrity! lastlib Nov 2015 #80

+1 freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #15

LOL! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #17

I hope that is just water and not vodka that you are spitting out. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #24

I would never waste good vodka like that! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #27

So how did you guys GET the bug?? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #38

Right click the image, choose Copy Image Location madfloridian Nov 2015 #79

What bug? Oilwellian Nov 2015 #55

You don't see the bug? Maybe i need to check my brownies. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #60

Bernie says: Ron Green Nov 2015 #8

As long as a candidate says what I want to hear at some point in their life I will vote for them. GoneFishin Nov 2015 #10

Once again I have to disagree. I only rec to expose your nonsense to more people. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #11

I wonder how much NASDAQ paid her for the speech in which she told them to stop it. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #43

You know what that story reminds me of? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #47

I can match your cat stories. My cat is Attila. When she was young, she earned her name. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #61

Did she dodge sniper bullets over there too? BeanMusical Nov 2015 #82

Looks clear demwing Nov 2015 #12

LOL. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #25

I agree with your post title moobu2 Nov 2015 #13

Really? Hissyspit Nov 2015 #18

Yep moobu2 Nov 2015 #29

You didn't care when he said he was sick of the fake Hillary email scandal? Hissyspit Nov 2015 #59

Why? Is it becuase you prefer the moderate establishment candidate instead? n/t Dawgs Nov 2015 #21

Well, Bernie Sanders cant get elected so there's that moobu2 Nov 2015 #30

Actually, Bernie's spent nearly his entire adult life as a politician bucking the establishment. NT Live and Learn Nov 2015 #35

Ah...the can't get elected meme! PatrickforO Nov 2015 #39

Not a meme- it's reality. Bernie is losing redstateblues Nov 2015 #48

All this kiddie-time puddle stomping Plucketeer Nov 2015 #81

Based on what? He does pretty in one to one match ups with Republicans, often better than Hills. nt merrily Nov 2015 #46

based on the fact that Bernie is losing badly redstateblues Nov 2015 #50

You changed the subject from the general to the primary, so we're going in a circle. merrily Nov 2015 #52

Bernie can not win either so it doesn't really matter does it? You dont have to answer that. moobu2 Nov 2015 #53

As my prior post said, he's doing better in some general match ups than Hillary, so merrily Nov 2015 #54

But this is without Republicans relentlessly and viciously attacking him 24/7 moobu2 Nov 2015 #62

Sorry, I'm going with the polls. merrily Nov 2015 #63

Clinton cannot attract support from the 63% who skipped voting in 2014 eridani Nov 2015 #65

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #70

+1 stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #77

Coincidentally, you remain consistent and clear and, may I add, concise. Hiraeth Nov 2015 #16

Thank you! MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #36

She has been very consistent. Vattel Nov 2015 #20

Some people like that take charge and attack attitude. Some times I swear her picture rhett o rick Nov 2015 #26

Don't forget Honduras jeff47 Nov 2015 #31

Um, suffering, death and chaos that continues today? Vattel Nov 2015 #32

Yes, parts of its affects that ended up... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #72

sorry, I was answering Jeff47's rhetorical question as if I didn't know the answer Vattel Nov 2015 #75

Haven't watched Rachel's Dem Forum b/c last night we caught that woman senz Nov 2015 #33

what is bernie's poll numbers with minority voters captainarizona Nov 2015 #34

As long as we're going off topic, how many people of color died in the Iraq War so far? nt merrily Nov 2015 #42

I know the answer, unfortunately Fairgo Nov 2015 #58

Like How Sanders was an Independent until it was convenient to become a Democrat? wildeyed Nov 2015 #37

You would rather he ran for President as an Independent? Hmmm. merrily Nov 2015 #41

Do you think it would have been better if he had run as an Independent and split JDPriestly Nov 2015 #44

That is not what we are debating. wildeyed Nov 2015 #67

Sanders has voted with and caucused with Democrats for his term in Congress. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #78

I disagree. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #45

Shhh. Apparently, democracy is out of date. Now, heaven knows, anything goes. merrily Nov 2015 #57

Because caucusing with the Democratic Party is MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #68

Another logic fail. wildeyed Nov 2015 #84

Well said. Thank you. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #40

It's crystal clear to me 99Forever Nov 2015 #49

K&R Paka Nov 2015 #51

I am still waiting for Hillary's supporters to start talking policy. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #56

Wait, you are complaining about ad hominem attacks by making an ad hominem attack? wildeyed Nov 2015 #85

You use that phrase I don't think it means what you think it means. Kalidurga Nov 2015 #86

And totally justified people's impressions of Bernie's supporters (and by extension your candidate) wildeyed Nov 2015 #87

Annnnnnnnnnnd still nothing here is inaccurate Kalidurga Nov 2015 #88

But I am not particularly a Hillary supporter. wildeyed Nov 2015 #89

Goodbye Kalidurga Nov 2015 #90

But what about what his supporters say? cui bono Nov 2015 #64

K&R! Let it ever be said, "The clear way forward is clear." This is a philosophy I can embrace. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #66

I was just saying that yesterday! tblue Nov 2015 #69

yep PatrynXX Nov 2015 #74

NO FAIR! 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #76

TPP, let's go get'um Hill and Bill aspirant Nov 2015 #83