2016 Postmortem

DFW

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83. Two part answer to your last question

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 05:01 AM

Nov 2015

"Can't Sanders supporters tell us what makes him great?"

Absolutely. Plenty do, in rational, plain terms.

".....without denigrating Hillary?"

Some can, sure. Some can't help themselves. Just gloss over any post containing "corporate" or "corporatist" and you'll cut out half of the denigrating right there, and get to posts that have legitimate issues with her.

Yes, there's more negative crap (generic, by the way, not limited to one side) on DU than is healthy, but it's the nature of the beast at the moment. I don't let it sway me one way or the other. What Bernie says for himself should have sole influence over whether or not you support him, and not a bunch of posts on here just because they contain "I-hate-Hillary" themes. Same goes for Hillary. It's what she says that should determine your support, not just in some solidarity because of attacks on here. If she appeals to you on her own, then stand by her. Some DU post whining "how could you possibly ever support Hillary" is NOT a good reason to stand in her corner any more than it is a good reason to support Bernie. Both candidates have much more to offer than that level of discourse, I promise you.

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Hillary bashing on DU is becoming tiresome [View all] FlaGatorJD Nov 2015 OP

How about the same for the Hillary Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #1

Those are comments... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #7

The OP's denigrating Sanders? Maybe they don't stay on the home page very long. That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #41

Hahahahaha VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #117

I'm glad to see you have a sense of humor about things That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #138

Always... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #154

not everything you can find out about a candidate is 'nice' roguevalley Nov 2015 #46

The truth? Don't look to Bernie folks for truth about Hillary. I have never seen so many people upaloopa Nov 2015 #105

Problem is RobertEarl Nov 2015 #128

False equivalency wyldwolf Nov 2015 #135

I know, we all know Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #136

So is the bashing of Bernie and his supporters. Moreover, most of the criticism of Hillary is based merrily Nov 2015 #2

In comments following Clinton bashing OPs yes VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #9

Could you please link to some OPs that you characterize as bashing Hillary? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #52

You know, the ones with her speeches embedded. Scuba Nov 2015 #96

Let's make up an acknowledge that bashing Democratic Candidates only creates chaos within our Party. FarPoint Nov 2015 #87

+1 freedom fighter jh Nov 2015 #93

+2 madokie Nov 2015 #163

Welcome to Team Hillary leftofcool Nov 2015 #3

20 yr. old articles full of undisputed FACTS?History's not bashing. Divernan Nov 2015 #54

Yep it's all Hillary's fault that you and repubs will dredge old bull shit scandals upaloopa Nov 2015 #108

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #113

That sounds so corporate. C Moon Nov 2015 #78

It would be more honest if you told your interlocutor what you really thought of her... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #112

OK, I'll talk about Bernie. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2015 #4

OK, I'll talk about Hillary SunSeeker Nov 2015 #40

She's a follower. On nearly every issue you mention with th eexception of JDPriestly Nov 2015 #55

Hillary wants to repeal the PLCAA immunities for gun manufacturers that Bernie voted for. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #57

Are you a lawyer specializing in products liability? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #60

Your explanation of product liability law is consistent with what I understand, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #63

Thanks. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #65

Did you read the PLCAA counsel? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #74

My battery is about to die, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #82

No other consumer product manufacturer is given this statutory immunity. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #91

Why not post the six exceptions to the PCLAA Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #111

I did. That "v" was for exception 5, but as you see, there's a big "except" to the "exception." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #118

The people that sued in Colorado Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #119

The "Brady group" were not named plaintiffs, just the Aurora victim's family. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #122

The ones that sued Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #124

Google the complaint, just the victim's family were the named plaintiffs. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #137

Brady Center Sues Online Sellers of Ammunition and Equipment Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #144

*crickets* beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #156

You noticed that too, lol Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #159

That one also accused a woman of "mansplaining" facts to her. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #166

Yes indeed Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #169

I didn't run away, nor did you prove me wrong. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #178

Brady Center and Arnold & Porter were the family's lawyers, they were not the plaintiffs. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #174

Read post #144 Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #175

That Wisconsin case was not a product liability suit. That was a straw purchaser suit. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #176

that the controllers say is covered under the PLCAA Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #177

I never said anything about straw purchasers. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #179

Just that dealers and manufacturers had blanket immunity Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #181

I never said they had "blanket immunity." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #182

how many other products were the subject of SLAPP suits designed Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #183

Cigarette manufacturers were hit with a lot of lawsuits, yet they never got immunity. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #186

Cigarette manufacturers were found to have Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #188

I see you want to change the subject now that I have proven you wrong. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #190

Lol Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #193

I love it when they declare victory and leave. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #196

What is "fantasy" about my statement that the PLCAA gives a unique immunity to gun manufacturers. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #197

You got pwned from the get go. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #198

I knew you had nothing either. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #199

Are you? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #70

No. I'm retired. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #84

See Post # 63. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #67

See post #91. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #92

One thing Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #110

I was unaware of that. Thanks. Interesting. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #160

Except their product design and marketing encourage the unhinged to buy their product. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #184

Cigarette ads are barred from certain venues. But I don't know whether that would work with JDPriestly Nov 2015 #185

You should lean in whatever direction you choose, based on issues. djean111 Nov 2015 #5

Absolutely agree with this dragonfly301 Nov 2015 #203

I think it safe to assume that 99.9% of OPs like this are really just Hillary supporters trying, djean111 Nov 2015 #204

Agree dragonfly301 Nov 2015 #207

That goes both ways. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #6

I'm bookmarking this thread Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #8

Feel free to use it when necessary. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #12

Me too. Scuba Nov 2015 #98

yeah, both get bashed so when i see one of these threads where they only mention one m-lekktor Nov 2015 #14

I wonder how many more of these ops we'll have to endure. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #15

We're just a bunch of Blue Meanies, dontcha know? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #21

LOL! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #23

Not me, I'm a GLOVE JackInGreen Nov 2015 #32

So who is playing this character? Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #47

Its ridiculous to change your vote because anonymous internet posters are "mean" riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #121

They just make me laugh. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #56

They are amusing. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #59

Funny, we ask Hillary supporters to point out bashing and we get crickets... Lancero Nov 2015 #29

DU loved Bernie before he challenged Hillary. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #33

Huh, funnily enough I think that's pretty much how Republicans tried painting him too. Lancero Nov 2015 #35

Exactly, their posts are just like the ones you see at freerepublic and the cave. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #38

Republicans hated Bernie until he challenged Hillary n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #131

Well I'll have to take your word for what Republicans think. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #149

Bern . TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #206

Thanks for keeping a running tally of the smears. pa28 Nov 2015 #170

You're welcome. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #173

actually, bashing ALL non-repubs on DU has become tiresome tishaLA Nov 2015 #10

Yup. Agschmid Nov 2015 #11

extremely tiresome... handmade34 Nov 2015 #99

I agree 100%. Koinos Nov 2015 #102

Thanks, I so agree Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #109

Yep. It has been tiresome since December 2008 when panic over Obama's cabinet appointees became stevenleser Nov 2015 #139

Funny I remember December of 08 as the month dreading the Rick Warren Middle Finger Event Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #155

Nice try. Rick Warren was not a cabinet member or appointee and I wasn't referring to him. stevenleser Nov 2015 #162

....and THAT, my friends, was the first big disappointment of the Obama administration. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #208

I hate the negativity from both sides n/t susanr516 Nov 2015 #164

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Nov 2015 #13

Claiming ONLY HILLARY is getting "bashed" is REALLY tiresome. nt m-lekktor Nov 2015 #16

It is boring. bravenak Nov 2015 #17

Deciding to vote for one or the other 840high Nov 2015 #18

I suggest Bernie "supporters" are changing the scope of the support of his supporters.... chillfactor Nov 2015 #34

My comment stands. I get 840high Nov 2015 #49

Amen. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #61

Oh my! artislife Nov 2015 #71

I'm gonna link you to something a poster said back in may... Scootaloo Nov 2015 #19

+1 beerandjesus Nov 2015 #22

Nicely said. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #58

+1,000,000 cui bono Nov 2015 #64

Is this the anti-Bernie play of the day, as contrived on hillaryclintonsupporters.com? beerandjesus Nov 2015 #20

Yeah, even like so many people who have children who are gay. Eventually they change. kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #28

True. But the candiudate who got there first when it wasn't popular is an actua leader n/t eridani Nov 2015 #90

It's hard for me to see that poster preach on LGBT issues after her diatribe in November... Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #157

Appreciate the great and heartfelt comment. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #132

Yeah, these attacks on Bernie supporters are what's really tiring jfern Nov 2015 #39

That reaction should win the Internet. n/t Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #66

"...of the day"? They've been at this since when? WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2015 #150

And nauseating. She gets more heat for Iraq than Bush, Cheney, or Rice. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #24

IOW, a candidate gets more heat for Iraq than do three noncandidates. That's proper, in my view. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #36

Her sales pitch is that she is so excellent on foreign policy.... Armstead Nov 2015 #37

Bush Cheney and Rice got plenty of heat from DU when they were in office n/t eridani Nov 2015 #202

Welcome to the winning side n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #25

Maybe She Should Take Her Billion In Wall Street Cash And Go Home Yallow Nov 2015 #26

Why would a winner want to do that? leftofcool Nov 2015 #27

I agree completely... chillfactor Nov 2015 #30

I am a Clinton supporter all the way Tarc Nov 2015 #31

Is talking about things like who is backing a candidate, and.... Armstead Nov 2015 #42

is it wine whyne wyne uine or weyn? delrem Nov 2015 #43

Political reality 101: The frontrunner draws more criticisms than do candidates who are trailing. Jim Lane Nov 2015 #44

K & R SunSeeker Nov 2015 #45

If she would act like a real progressive ... ThePhilosopher04 Nov 2015 #48

...+1 840high Nov 2015 #50

Actions Speak Louder Than Words - Also Money Talks Yallow Nov 2015 #72

+1 Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #95

What makes Sanders great? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #51

Your final question is interesting because I LibDemAlways Nov 2015 #53

Bullshit. cui bono Nov 2015 #62

They aren't fooling anyone. n/t JimDandy Nov 2015 #69

I'd say something about her record and ideology, but she went out of her way to back a shitty little MisterP Nov 2015 #68

I'm a Sanders supporter; Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #73

Can't Hillary supporters tell us what makes her great, without denigrating Bernie? n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #75

Are you kidding? RichVRichV Nov 2015 #89

Don't forget the money. She has access to LOTS and LOTS of money via SuperPACs. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #107

.... C Moon Nov 2015 #76

Life is a two way street AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #77

vote for the nominee MFM008 Nov 2015 #79

Yah, kind of like Bernie bashing. malokvale77 Nov 2015 #80

I love it! Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #81

Two part answer to your last question DFW Nov 2015 #83

I would like to add after just now listening to Rachel Maddow's interview of Bernie, what I JDPriestly Nov 2015 #85

About 47 out of 79 (so far) comments in this thread are negative. betsuni Nov 2015 #86

Criticizing policies and records is not "bashing" eridani Nov 2015 #88

Primaries exist for a reason. joshcryer Nov 2015 #94

DU is simply not representative of the vast majority of Democrats. No worries. Hillary will WIN. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #97

Clintonista complaining on DU is becoming tiresome left-of-center2012 Nov 2015 #100

We Would If It Were Not For All The HRC Supporters Attacking Bernie And Supporters cantbeserious Nov 2015 #101

Do not donate to site jrthin Nov 2015 #103

So is this Hillary the Strong International Leader or Hillary the Poor Poor Defenseless Victim? 99Forever Nov 2015 #104

In Camp Weathervane: Facts="Bashing" 99Forever Nov 2015 #106

What is tiresome is the PERSONAL bashing. Hepburn Nov 2015 #114

there's another site where no one is allowed to say anything bad about Goldman Sachs candidate Doctor_J Nov 2015 #115

Someone points out the facts on her lies... Hepburn Nov 2015 #167

"I used to be leaning toward Bernie" whatchamacallit Nov 2015 #116

I know, right. Lol Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #120

Then leave. bigwillq Nov 2015 #123

I think the tired excuses offered by Hillary supporters for her bad record askew Nov 2015 #125

So is all the Bernie bashing. I trash these threads. In fact, I'll trash this after I post this. valerief Nov 2015 #126

Well, you just keep leaning ... This way and that Trajan Nov 2015 #127

So what questions are we allowed to ask Hillary? daleanime Nov 2015 #129

Sure HassleCat Nov 2015 #130

It's beyond tiresome, it's desperate, and sometimes outright delusional. But remember, .... Lil Missy Nov 2015 #133

I can't take someone who would change their vote because of a candidate's supporters seriously. frylock Nov 2015 #134

No, they cannot promote him without tearing down HRC. misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #140

So you're another one who bases support on how you feel about supporters. Got it. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #141

Amen!! N/T SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #142

I'm sure all the Bernie bashing won't cause you any problems. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #143

What you call "Hillary bashing" in some cases refers to specific guillaumeb Nov 2015 #145

Just wait until she wins the nomination madville Nov 2015 #146

I know, right Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #148

I would suggest reading in the Hillary group artislife Nov 2015 #147

Hillary support on DU has also become tiresome. Chan790 Nov 2015 #151

You miss the point, hillary is not morally or ethically fit to be president. bowens43 Nov 2015 #152

Bullshit bashing at its finest Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #158

Yes, and so is Bernie bashing. diane in sf Nov 2015 #153

Let them rant. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #161

Not to mention Dangerous paul ofnoclique Nov 2015 #165

pointing out policy issue problems is not bashing Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #168

If you think this is bashing, wait for the General.If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen EndElectoral Nov 2015 #171

I know, it would be better if GDP could just be a lovely uniform homogeneity of threads Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #172

I base my support on what I know about Clinton, far too many times the lies are Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #180

Can you tell me what makes Hillary great? Autumn Nov 2015 #187

She is a progressive woman who has the ability to beat the GOP in 2016. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #189

See post #15 Autumn Nov 2015 #191

See reality. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #192

See post #12 for reality. nt Autumn Nov 2015 #194

LOL SunSeeker Nov 2015 #195

Are we on the same site? Obviously not. pinstikfartherin Nov 2015 #200

Bernie Bashing On DU Is Becoming Tiresome cantbeserious Nov 2015 #201

I miss: "Ever More Loathsome Fear Mongering And Obfuscation." betsuni Nov 2015 #205