2016 Postmortem

askew

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118. Seriously? Primarying the first AA president because he isn't "left" enough would absolutely

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 11:20 PM

Nov 2015

split the party. The most loyal part of the Dem base is AA voters. They vote for Dems by a huge margin. Primarying Obama over a difference in ideology would have ripped the party apart especially one who had accomplished so much in a short time. He got use healthcare after 90 years of failure. He passed the biggest stimulus bill in history. He repealed DADT. Did an executive order on immigration. Pulled the economy out of recession. No, he wasn't perfect but he was light-years better than Bill when he ran for re-election and no one primaried him.

It's the same reason that Hillary finally gave in and conceded to Obama in the primary. AA leaders sat her down and explained that if she tried to take the nomination from the person who won it with the voters through the use of superdelegates, we'd lose the AA vote forever.

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Today Sanders AFFIRMED that he said that there should be a primary opponent to Barack Obama. [View all] Vattel Nov 2015 OP

This is consistent with other statements by Sanders Gothmog Nov 2015 #1

Well on the Tom Hartmann show he said there should be a challenge.. Historic NY Nov 2015 #92

If Thom Hartman runs for office, he can defend this position Gothmog Nov 2015 #135

I supported Obama, but his stand on Social Security was a real problem for me. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #153

No, he has not...yeesh, this gets tiring TiberiusB Nov 2015 #173

So EVERY President should be Primaried? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #2

Just the black one maybe, and then the woman too maybe. Idk. bravenak Nov 2015 #8

Also the one who campaigned as a progressive and governed as a "moderate Republican." Scuba Nov 2015 #86

So he called for Bill Clinton to be primaried also, then? Or just Obama? bravenak Nov 2015 #159

LOL jalan48 Nov 2015 #88

Wow TiberiusB Nov 2015 #166

Did I call him racist? No. I did not. Stop beating that strawman. bravenak Nov 2015 #168

Yeah, you did TiberiusB Nov 2015 #172

Straight up I asked if that was his reason, why didn't he call for a primary of Mr. DLC.? bravenak Nov 2015 #174

Well, there is a very likely reason why Clinton didn't get the same scrutiny TiberiusB Nov 2015 #177

Bernie has no control over his grassroots. Period. bravenak Nov 2015 #178

and the one fighting the Vietnam War? nt mhatrw Nov 2015 #198

Is the vietnam war still going on? Cause i do not get it. bravenak Nov 2015 #199

THIS one? What do you mean by that? azmom Nov 2015 #9

Was he asked about every Democratic President? earthside Nov 2015 #27

So are you saying it IS just about THIS one? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #30

Good grief. n/t earthside Nov 2015 #33

grief indeed... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #34

Don't you just want to say... Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #163

Do you now??? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #164

If I recall, even Howard Dean was... Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #167

Care to back that up then? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #183

And that proves what, exactly? TiberiusB Nov 2015 #179

It proves that this meme every President should be VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #182

I like the way you purposely miss the point so it fits your narrative Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #190

I did not miss any points.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #192

What about when Howard Dean hinted at doing it? Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #194

Prove that then....don't just say it...prove it. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #196

defeinatly this one. Obama has been for the most part a disater bowens43 Nov 2015 #36

He's achieved more than any other president since LBJ. askew Nov 2015 #64

LBJ, and maybe all the way back to FDR. nt PosterChild Nov 2015 #120

Yep, which is why I find the idea that he should have been primaried absolutely offensive. askew Nov 2015 #143

Probably any president who veers rightward. thesquanderer Nov 2015 #48

Who decides that? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #53

I thought you were asking who *SANDERS* thought should be primaried, no? thesquanderer Nov 2015 #63

I am....asking that VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #67

I dont know who would be sufficiently left... FDR? (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2015 #85

In say ever? Eugene Debbs,,, PosterChild Nov 2015 #125

yeah.....in the annals of dustbins...Eugene Debbs? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #138

Even more importantly for Bernie's "model"... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #140

I'll raise you one that is real that does not come with a disclaimer and is based on methodology Dragonfli Nov 2015 #89

Umm- Hillary isn't president. left lowrider Nov 2015 #54

Where have I said she is? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #59

Why not? Fawke Em Nov 2015 #76

I think most Democratic presidents have had challengers even on their second term. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #95

actually no they didn't....damn few do...because... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #155

Well, Kennedy thought it was helpful to primary Carter Babel_17 Nov 2015 #102

Depends Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #109

Yes. Every President. The term is four years, not eight. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #127

Sanders made Clinton flip flop on TPP in a primary shawn703 Nov 2015 #154

It's called a democracy, get over it. jkbRN Nov 2015 #162

After seeing the TPP, maybe someone azmom Nov 2015 #3

/\_/\_This_/\_/\ Scuba Nov 2015 #87

+1 Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #90

^^ This^^ ! mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #100

WOW, I haven't seen BASIC in years Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #170

I slipped in a little Perl just for completeness mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #189

^ Absolutely. Especially after his forgotten 're-negotiate NAFTA' campaign promise... AzDar Nov 2015 #150

Thank you. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #4

So is Bernie saying EVERY President should be Primaried? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #10

Probably any president who puts SS on the chopping block. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #14

What's wrong with having more points of view every election? Hydra Nov 2015 #18

EVERY President? Or just this one? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #19

Sure, every president on our side should be subject to review about what they've done for 4 years Hydra Nov 2015 #29

Primaried is not "reviewed"..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #31

Oh, so we're not allowed to review our candidates when they are seeking rehire by us? Hydra Nov 2015 #39

That is not a freaking review...that's splitting the party! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #42

*LMAO* Hydra Nov 2015 #55

Yes really! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #60

Indy butting in here.... smiley Nov 2015 #103

That's fine.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #105

Because an Independent is going to disagree with this.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #106

Slight interjection VR angrychair Nov 2015 #165

Whatever does that have to do with it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #184

Again, don't care who wins this angrychair Nov 2015 #188

Performance art, it has to be. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #61

Regardless of intent, it's very revealing Hydra Nov 2015 #97

Well they won't be here long. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #101

Well said. Laser102 Nov 2015 #148

They don't do political strategy. It doesn't exist in their version of reality. stevenleser Nov 2015 #186

For Obama Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #111

Its like half the people on this site are just plugging their ears. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #5

lalalalalal is right....I have asked this twice... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #12

I don't think he's been asked that question bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #17

Perhaps his supporters should....My God if Hillary had of said that..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #22

Well yes, because she is to the right of Obama bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #26

cool so it is just about Him and Her...things that make you go hmmmm VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #32

No...it has nothing to do with him or her at all... bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #35

Who do we use as a yardstick? Bernie Sanders? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #94

Criticism and Accountability does not equal opposition. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #98

A primary is not criticism it's opposition. Pure and simple. nt. PosterChild Nov 2015 #139

And, once again, what primary are you referring to? TiberiusB Nov 2015 #180

Let's be straight here.... PosterChild Nov 2015 #187

Well after Hillary race-baiting her way through the 2008 election, it would be askew Nov 2015 #71

Inconvenient fact, ignore the actual racist campaign and pretend Bernie is the one with a problem. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #104

Like Kennedy's goal when running against Carter Babel_17 Nov 2015 #112

I would expect nothing less from Bernie and Obama did tell us to hold his feet to the fire. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #129

Bernie needs to own the fact that he wanted to primary Obama and that he has been askew Nov 2015 #113

He did own it and he has also been very honest about his opposition to some of Obama's policies. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #121

He hasn't owned it. He said that's he's been loyal and worked hard for him which just isn't true. askew Nov 2015 #142

And I disagree about the loyalty, I stand by Bernie and his reasons for suggesting it. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #144

I don't think he's racist, but I think this quote sums up a lot of issues w/ some white progressives askew Nov 2015 #161

No offense, but people have to stop stretching the facts a bit about the "wanting to primary" thing TiberiusB Nov 2015 #171

Nicely stated points, all spot on. Welcome to DU! Vattel Nov 2015 #191

THIS one is no way to refer to president Obama. azmom Nov 2015 #28

Your record is broken passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #146

how else does one respond to this drivel? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #156

There certainly are a lot of criticisms against Bernie that... HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #13

I think Bernie is the one bending the truth here....that is what we are pointing out VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #24

He was right. Obama should have been primaried. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #6

He should run on that. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #41

Or, maybe not. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #52

Then, stand up and say that. Don't cling to Obama now and pretend that you are big askew Nov 2015 #77

I'm not a big supporter of Obama. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #82

And you are not representative of the Dem base. askew Nov 2015 #91

I think she is. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #149

Polls and election results show you are wrong. askew Nov 2015 #157

Now can you see why we don't want him? Cause we don't. bravenak Nov 2015 #7

Is that the royal we? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #38

Should be. We as in the majority of blacks. bravenak Nov 2015 #46

How's the fishing up there in Alaska this year? Scootaloo Nov 2015 #70

My brother in law keeps stuffing my freezer. bravenak Nov 2015 #72

Uncle-in-law ain't sharing shit. 'course shipping it down ain't cheap. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #75

You know what's fucked up? bravenak Nov 2015 #78

Red is good. Pink is cat food. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #84

Shhhhhhh, they're on a roll! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #11

Sounds like a Fox Snooze roll Autumn Nov 2015 #45

I agree with him! in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #15

So which is it? In another OP Sanders supporters are vigorously arguing he never said it. stevenleser Nov 2015 #16

The quote is in my OP Vattel Nov 2015 #21

I happen to think you are right and the other Sanders supporter is wrong. But what this shows is stevenleser Nov 2015 #25

So what? JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #43

The "so what" is your first sentence in your message text. And remember you said it, not me. stevenleser Nov 2015 #49

It's not an offensive sentence, it is asking you to defend why it is relevant JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #57

The first sentence in your message text, not your title. nt stevenleser Nov 2015 #58

.. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #62

I could say the same sort of thing about many Clinton supporters. Vattel Nov 2015 #65

Thank you for putting the fly swat in your sig line artislife Nov 2015 #74

Looks like the Bernie supporters in that thread are saying that Bernie did say it Autumn Nov 2015 #40

The words "Sure what's wrong with a primary situation" means I said no such thing Autumn Nov 2015 #20

ok Old Codger Nov 2015 #23

Most of Bernie's DU supporters wanted a primary for Obama. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #37

A good point, but Sander will do what he thinks is the right thing n/t Hydra Nov 2015 #44

Yes ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #50

You mean the non Democrats...the same people now claiming their loyal to BS... Historic NY Nov 2015 #66

in Orwell's world, and the Clinton supporters', up is down, Doctor_J Nov 2015 #47

Obama's ex-aides who aren't affiliated with any candidate now call BS on Bernie. askew Nov 2015 #51

Careful what you say... Historic NY Nov 2015 #68

Thank you Bernie 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #56

So what? Le Taz Hot Nov 2015 #69

I definitely agree that it is much ado about nothing. Vattel Nov 2015 #73

If it is much ado about nothing, then why is Bernie trying to play it down and pretend askew Nov 2015 #81

He has been loyal. Vattel Nov 2015 #107

your position isn't going to be shared by Dem base who know that primarying the first AA askew Nov 2015 #110

Why would it have permanently split the party? Vattel Nov 2015 #115

Seriously? Primarying the first AA president because he isn't "left" enough would absolutely askew Nov 2015 #118

Meh, no challenger to Obama would have had enough support to split the party. Vattel Nov 2015 #193

Just having a group of white progressives backing a white savior over Obama would have askew Nov 2015 #195

I doubt it. Vattel Nov 2015 #197

they say "don't vote third-party, vote in the primaries!" then they foreclose on primaries or MisterP Nov 2015 #83

They know it's not true. The point is to get you to talk about it. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #79

. RandySF Nov 2015 #80

Having a primary opponent and being primaried are 2 different things jfern Nov 2015 #93

Well according to Websters.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #96

But then... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #99

In any case Bernie never said that Obama should be defeated jfern Nov 2015 #108

Okay...that explanation I posted.... just means you run fake Primaries against them? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #116

What does being an independent have to do with it? jfern Nov 2015 #119

Because you don't understand the dynamics of being a member OF a party... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #122

Feathers need to be ruffled in DC jfern Nov 2015 #123

I can't get this thread to load, but, has anyone else mentioned Kennedy? Babel_17 Nov 2015 #114

One difference there is that Carter was in a much weaker position than Obama. Vattel Nov 2015 #117

Yes, that's true. Here we're talking about a run just to get a message out Babel_17 Nov 2015 #126

Well-said Vattel Nov 2015 #132

Its just not done....generally speaking....and when it is...its pretty extreme. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #131

Well, upthread people are claiming it would have destroyed the entire party. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #133

Not even...sorry VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #128

Ted Kennedy (nt) Babel_17 Nov 2015 #130

Equal but still not to his Left! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #134

I take that back...I mispoke VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #136

Ok, now I think I get a sense of what you're saying. But ... Babel_17 Nov 2015 #141

Exactly and THAT is practically verboten....its frowned upon....hardly ever happens VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #145

So Kennedy's deadly serious run to eliminate Carter was ...? Babel_17 Nov 2015 #151

My original post had two quotes Babel_17 Nov 2015 #137

The discussion is WHO is to the Left of Bernie Sanders that has run for President VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #147

It is? News to me :) Babel_17 Nov 2015 #152

"The 1 Percent�s Earnings Could Be Stagnating � At $671,000". Whew, better. So, back to Dancing with jtuck004 Nov 2015 #124

This "loyalty" stuff is getting silly. Liberals question authority. It's how we roll. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #158

Ikr? I sincerely doubt that Obama wants a bunch of lap dogs. Vattel Nov 2015 #169

Remember the "team of rivals"? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #175

Are you crying? jkbRN Nov 2015 #160

And he will support the next Dem prez in the same fashion, no doubt. Hekate Nov 2015 #176

Gawd forbid we be given a choice in a Democracy. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #181

Well done, Bernie! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #185