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2016 Postmortem

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slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:03 AM Nov 2015

"War should be the last resort ..." [View all]

I'm with Sanders and this is something he has been saying for decades.

War wreaks havoc, not only on an individual, but also on their family, our nation and economy.

Millions of people thought invading Iraq was the wrong course, at the very least they had some reservations and voted no.

The consequences of destabilizing a country and ultimately a region gave them doubt. And what are we left with? A region that is in chaos.

Dictators, as harsh and brutal as they are, keep some semblance of rule in certain countries. You know what you get.

I read today that there are 700,000 youths in Syria who are not attending school, they are just trying to survive. Did we not read about the million plus Iraqi children who were left orphaned and without a positive direction for a future? Where did they go, were they swayed by a radical element?

Is this the new world that we should welcome? Sorry I am beyond disgusted on how we treat other people in different countries and the cavalier attitude that we bomb, and allow bombs on other people in foreign lands.

Democracy is born, it cannot be forced on another nation when that nation is not ready. We can try, but we should not be surprised when it results in chaos and a severe backlash.










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"War should be the last resort ..." [View all] slipslidingaway Nov 2015 OP
"I will not hesitate to use military force." Fuck that. I want a Autumn Nov 2015 #1
there is no doubt in my mind marym625 Nov 2015 #3
Yes, either they knew or were swayed by some stupid belief that Bush had a clue. n/t slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #5
or promises of future help and support. marym625 Nov 2015 #11
We'll never know the truth and even if something is revelaed it will be an old story ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #15
the fact that the US media is ignoring the proof of lies marym625 Nov 2015 #16
Totally agree the US media is bought and paid for, but the younger generation ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #19
Nor should we. This new oligarchy is not one party or the other. marym625 Nov 2015 #20
Agree, some have been saying that for years, this is not new.... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #26
"the large millennial generation sees the flaws and is actively taking a role" marym625 Nov 2015 #37
Which is why Bernie Sanders will win the primary and then the general. Aerows Nov 2015 #39
They sure will marym625 Nov 2015 #40
Yes, they knew but they voted for their own political futures, damn the cost in human life. Autumn Nov 2015 #8
absolutely. marym625 Nov 2015 #12
Those who say they will not hesitate to use force ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #4
Hillary echoed the OP in the MSNBC forum thesquanderer Nov 2015 #42
"if diplomacy fails" Those three words are easy to say she didn't say them and iI am not one Autumn Nov 2015 #43
She did say the exact words you want thesquanderer Nov 2015 #44
I missed that. Of course she would try diplomatic means Autumn Nov 2015 #45
K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #2
Absolutely Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #9
All we are saying... RobertEarl Nov 2015 #6
You are so old :) Some of us old follks have been hoping for a change for decades ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #7
That I yam RobertEarl Nov 2015 #14
I was joking, when I read the line I could hear the voices ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #17
War is not the answer Hydra Nov 2015 #10
Evidently, for some people, that's the way to go. marym625 Nov 2015 #13
Wonder what would have happened if we left the secular leader Mossadegh in power decades ago ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #22
or if we had left the pre-Taliban government in power in Afghanistan? n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #30
Edwin Starr had it pegged Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #41
Do you ever notice how most the politicians and the media almost always start by liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #18
War and aggression towards other nations begets more war, we need an adult in the room ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #23
Thing is, no one is in a war with the US! The US choose to war with other countries, that is the akbacchus_BC Nov 2015 #21
Good question and I agree with Sanders that the Muslim nations need to play a large role in fighting slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #24
I agree. A lot of the rich Arab states need to take responsibility of this akbacchus_BC Nov 2015 #32
If, instead of going into Iraq and fighting for oil, we had used the money that war cost us to put JDPriestly Nov 2015 #25
Always said this was a war for resources, I remember reading that other countries were signing deals slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #27
Agreed. Thanks. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #28
"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too MisterP Nov 2015 #29
Ironically, no use of force prior to 9/11 could have prevented it. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #31
Nope and sorry, you need to look at the info before invading a nation regardless of the state ... slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #34
BUT 9-11!!!!111111 MisterP Nov 2015 #36
No War Hawks for me. SoapBox Nov 2015 #33
Here we are again, between two evils and which one will you pick? akbacchus_BC Nov 2015 #35
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #38
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