2016 Postmortem

Robbins

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61. You see

Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:36 AM

Nov 2015

unlike many i can remember the history of the Clintons.this nonesense she is trying to sell now isn't real clinton.

yeah she is effective leader is you want a DINO to work with republicans.

More electable independents don't like her.republicans hate her,and some dems wouldn't vote for her.Nominate her and
say hello to president Trump In 2017.

unlike Obama we can't be fooled by the record.so dems who support her must be centrist,corporist,and pro-war.Soon we will know
if there is 2 partys or just one centrist,corporist pro-war party.

Clinton may claim she regreted the IWA vote but she has proven she learned nothing from it.I call her a liar on that.she only claims that was mistake because that is what democratic primary voters want to hear.

the entire GOP 2016 gameplan is to run against clinton.Bernie like obama takes that away.

So the OP says we should support a right wing dem to win.sorry we have won nothing.Obama proves a dem can screw over people too.

It's time to have someone who will fight for us.Clinton will work for corporations and sign GOP bills.Bernie will fight gop and corporations.

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The main reason, IMO, that Bernie fans are failing to draw people over to their side. [View all] DanTex Nov 2015 OP

Shhh! JaneyVee Nov 2015 #1

Your post should be an entree to a thoughtful discussion but it won't. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #2

Perspective Doubledee Nov 2015 #35

Bernie folks are much like a group of people on the right. Meaning their actions and mechanics and upaloopa Nov 2015 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author NurseJackie Nov 2015 #6

"Fringe group" Yes! Exactly right! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #10

Yes upa shenmue Nov 2015 #43

I agree with you, but you obviously hurt someone's feelings. I'm #3. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2015 #86

Hillary is third way! The people just fail to see it! mymomwasright Nov 2015 #4

Thanks liberal/corporate/turd way media! mymomwasright Nov 2015 #5

I have always said that Bernie supporters are just talking to themselves most of the time. Walk away Nov 2015 #78

The people just fail to see it! stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #12

Why do you think the people fail to see it? DanTex Nov 2015 #14

Replying to yourself. Enjoy your stay. shenmue Nov 2015 #41

a better leader... tk2kewl Nov 2015 #7

better at 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #44

He forgot to add :on DU: elsewhere on the internet people are not so stubborn. Hiraeth Nov 2015 #49

"Bernie seems to have crossover appeal" Orrex Nov 2015 #50

We are not to be defined as Bernie "fans". He is a vehicle we see to make a change mmonk Nov 2015 #8

That's what I said. But get this. You can't speak for everyone's common good. You don't get to upaloopa Nov 2015 #11

I've been talked down to enough by those that say what is in my good or not. mmonk Nov 2015 #26

Who the hell are we? That is a big problem. You are not "we" We are "we" upaloopa Nov 2015 #31

>WE< are the ones Plucketeer Nov 2015 #59

I don't think anybody is trying to define EVERYBODY else. Chef Eric Nov 2015 #30

Well why do you think he's failing to convert most Dems? DanTex Nov 2015 #13

The conversations will not advance until NurseJackie Nov 2015 #17

Bumper Stickers. 5 to 1 or better. tecelote Nov 2015 #24

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #131

Hillary is a celebrity and we know 'mericans watch celebrities more than anyone! If we polled.... dmosh42 Nov 2015 #9

You mean former Senator and Secretary of State shenmue Nov 2015 #40

Disingenuous and dismissive comment. Beacool Nov 2015 #96

Good post Dem2 Nov 2015 #15

You mean more people, because Bernie has drawn about 30% of Dem voters so far.. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #16

There aren't enough "undecided" NurseJackie Nov 2015 #21

Maybe so. We may be left with the entrenched. aikoaiko Nov 2015 #29

You make many valid points. Thanks for the reply. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #36

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #48

It seems you've made up your mind. Thanks for clarifying. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #62

No more so than most posters, just being honest floriduck Nov 2015 #75

"Humble" isn't the correct word. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #77

He can't answer. But I've heard this more than once. What is so great about Trump? freshwest Nov 2015 #93

I honestly don't have an answer to that. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #94

There's a term for that: Jamaal510 Nov 2015 #124

Interesting. Thank you. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #147

I think that says a lot about the suspicion about some Sanders supporters. George II Nov 2015 #95

Your commitment to sacrifice your posting privileges to maintain your principles is admirable. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #90

Is that a threat????? Walk away Nov 2015 #79

The only reason Bernie isn't winning is because Wall St. is against him firebrand80 Nov 2015 #18

Actual people want to vote for Hillary, because they like her shenmue Nov 2015 #39

Agreed on the first half of the OP Rebkeh Nov 2015 #19

Fair enough. I can also understand why some people don't want to support Hillary. DanTex Nov 2015 #23

But.... but... cosmicone Nov 2015 #20

Let me this as clear as I possibly can.... BrainDrain Nov 2015 #22

Same arguments made for all candidates. n/t Gore1FL Nov 2015 #25

See Dan here's the deal pinebox Nov 2015 #27

OK, one at a time. DanTex Nov 2015 #33

Recant pinebox Nov 2015 #70

+1!!!!!! Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #88

I'm not interested in misleading internet memes. DanTex Nov 2015 #89

Facts aren't misleading Dan. pinebox Nov 2015 #98

You're just repeating falsehoods and cutting and pasting pictures. It's getting a little repetitive. DanTex Nov 2015 #126

No Dan, everything I've posted is backed up thoroughly from trusted sources pinebox Nov 2015 #135

Sorry, but graphics that some Hillary-hater made aren't "trusted sources". DanTex Nov 2015 #137

Dan, facts are facts, period. pinebox Nov 2015 #138

Wow, another image! Whoddathunk! DanTex Nov 2015 #139

Sorry Dan but they are pinebox Nov 2015 #140

LOL. Internet poster declares victory in argument! DanTex Nov 2015 #141

And yet you continue. This is fun watching you rage. pinebox Nov 2015 #142

Oh I'm a-ragin'! LOL. DanTex Nov 2015 #143

mmmmhhhm that's why you're making posts pinebox Nov 2015 #144

I like posting. Particularly when there are lies to be called out. DanTex Nov 2015 #145

Dan Dan Dan, then prove me wrong already pinebox Nov 2015 #146

I have, plenty of times. DanTex Nov 2015 #148

You have a sword, Dan. He has a toothpick. Enough said! leftofcool Nov 2015 #101

I think you mean pen. pinebox Nov 2015 #103

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #116

Hahahaha! bravenak Nov 2015 #122

Lol! zappaman Nov 2015 #154

Too bad Biden isn't in this debate. He'd dust off his Rudy Giuliani characterization.... George II Nov 2015 #87

Lol! bravenak Nov 2015 #102

Excellent post pinebox nt 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #67

Thank you. pinebox Nov 2015 #72

Wow! Great post. coyote Nov 2015 #85

+1000 Cleita Nov 2015 #99

*applauds pinebox* retrowire Nov 2015 #100

Thank you pinebox Nov 2015 #104

Thank you! 840high Nov 2015 #155

AKA: "Owning Someone" Agschmid Nov 2015 #105

We do! pinebox Nov 2015 #106

It's totally pertinent, when you started the other OP... Agschmid Nov 2015 #107

My goal is dish out facts pinebox Nov 2015 #110

Could quite "own me" could you. Agschmid Nov 2015 #112

Perhaps you aren't aware of the meaning that was intended JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #150

I'm well aware what it means. Agschmid Nov 2015 #151

It is certainly childish, I am with you there. n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #152

Bravo! SoapBox Nov 2015 #109

Sadly this post is fraught with inaccuracies. George II Nov 2015 #114

And sadly you are not able to name any davidpdx Nov 2015 #133

David, I've pointed out to pinebox several times some of the "inaccuracies" (nice way to put it)... George II Nov 2015 #136

Thanks! tecelote Nov 2015 #115

I agree that Sanders supporters can't comprehend how people don't support Bernie Renew Deal Nov 2015 #28

Two valid questions. Give us the flip side. mmonk Nov 2015 #32

The answers are pretty simple. DanTex Nov 2015 #37

"Why do you think LCV endorsed Hillary?" The head of LCV was in Bill's cabinet. n/t ieoeja Nov 2015 #73

Thanks for linking to my post pinebox Nov 2015 #46

Great post DanTex. redstateblues Nov 2015 #34

Yes! shenmue Nov 2015 #38

This will not come across as very nice, but the reason I think a lot of people support Hillary over still_one Nov 2015 #42

Bernie was in favor of X before Hillary was. Nobody cares. What matters is who is more likely to get raindaddy Nov 2015 #45

K&R for being well written and concise. JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #47

Someone should start SU-Socialist Underground redstateblues Nov 2015 #65

Hillary too Hawkish gordyfl Nov 2015 #51

Hillary's support is a mile wide and an inch deep. sanders' supporters are KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #52

"Whistling past the graveyard" asserts an denial of troubling knowledge brooklynite Nov 2015 #91

You imply that Sanders supporters are few but devoted. JohnnyRingo Nov 2015 #108

I think there's another factor, reflected in current polls. For what seems like a year now, wiggs Nov 2015 #53

Personally I think her numbers are up after she rocked it at the Benghazi hearing. CrispyQ Nov 2015 #69

Well said. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #54

Elections are won and lost when they are won and lost angrychair Nov 2015 #55

Correct!!!! Sheepshank Nov 2015 #56

you tried. retrowire Nov 2015 #57

Hillary Sides With George W. Bush gordyfl Nov 2015 #58

Can you define "PoC" as you use it here? Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #60

People of color. -nt CrispyQ Nov 2015 #71

I was hoping the OPer would define it; since he/she used it. However..... Smarmie Doofus Nov 2015 #83

You see Robbins Nov 2015 #61

There you go defining everybody and using that upaloopa Nov 2015 #81

sorry but the myth that she is more electable restorefreedom Nov 2015 #63

There are a few of us ... relayerbob Nov 2015 #64

That HuffPo graph showing pull numbers suggests otherwise. redgreenandblue Nov 2015 #66

...and so is Hillary brooklynite Nov 2015 #76

All I am saying is that I do not understand how anyone can conclude that ... redgreenandblue Nov 2015 #80

Nobody denies that Bernie has been connecting... brooklynite Nov 2015 #92

Well, I'm all for testing assumptions against observation. redgreenandblue Nov 2015 #113

What you don't seem to understand is that.... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #68

Do I detect a false premise already in the title? JackRiddler Nov 2015 #74

The main reason that Hillary fails to get the votes of the Left. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #82

Your absurd charicature of "Bernie fans" makes this post less than serious. Vattel Nov 2015 #84

I have no problem with anyone supporting Sanders or O'Malley. Beacool Nov 2015 #97

If you invested as much time as you do Aerows Nov 2015 #111

I'll tell you, "bernie fans" and "sanders supporters" are definitely not gonna win the primary Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #117

And, I can understand why they support him.. he's just not for me.. and now even more so. Cha Nov 2015 #118

The Clintons Rebkeh Nov 2015 #119

KnR sheshe2 Nov 2015 #120

"effective leadership and electability" Martin Eden Nov 2015 #121

Electable? Fawke Em Nov 2015 #123

You must be smarting from that spanking! Scuba Nov 2015 #125

Too many on our side (Bernie) have a severe case of I call. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2015 #127

Great quote! nt. Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #134

We must all keep this in mind, never forget it for one second: freshwest Nov 2015 #153

Here is a big part of what some are missing. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author elehhhhna Nov 2015 #129

Who is BLL ? Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #132

Wow. Number23 Nov 2015 #156

The main reason EITHER group of fans are failing to draw people over to their side thesquanderer Nov 2015 #130

Incorrect. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #149