2016 Postmortem

Betty Karlson

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61. Clinton was from New York.

Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:55 AM

Nov 2015

Are you now saying that Vermont is more liberal than New York?

Because Senator Gillibrand did not need as much time as Mrs. Clinton to endorse gay marriage, and she was from the supposedly conservative (upstate) part of New York. But as she said: I now represent all of New York, and that means changing a few positions [to the left].

Clinton never did that, because other than Gillibrand, she cannot and will not lead. She will poll, and follow when her focus groups tells her it is safe to do so.

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Is it possible that NEITHER major Democratic candidate is a racist? [View all] Fearless Nov 2015 OP

None of them are bravenak Nov 2015 #1

++++++±+++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Nov 2015 #4

Ive been saying this for weeks... Agschmid Nov 2015 #43

Nobody has actually been calling Bernie or O'malley racist. bravenak Nov 2015 #45

I will have to think about this Kalidurga Nov 2015 #2

How about just not giving a damn about little people in general? The poor and the struggling Demeter Nov 2015 #28

If we use that consideration, both (sorry, all three) are, just to different degrees. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #31

Yes, it does Rebkeh Nov 2015 #67

NONE, there are THREE! elleng Nov 2015 #3

Many things are possible. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #5

Hillary A Racist? billhicks76 Nov 2015 #6

When did Hillary imply Bernie was a racist? nt Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #11

You're Correct billhicks76 Nov 2015 #69

Ok mcar Nov 2015 #82

. stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #14

When did Hillary make that implication? Nt NCTraveler Nov 2015 #18

all I know is Skittles Nov 2015 #7

none of the democratic candidates are racist JI7 Nov 2015 #8

That's how I see it also. n/t RichVRichV Nov 2015 #77

Not just possible DFW Nov 2015 #9

None of them are cosmicone Nov 2015 #10

Would that be the one who came ot for gay marriage when the polls finally showed it was safe? Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #13

Sanders only supported it a few years before she did. Big deal. pnwmom Nov 2015 #21

Those few years are indeed a big deal. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #33

Hillary and Bernie, like most Americans, evolved on the issue. pnwmom Nov 2015 #37

You are incorrect and it is a tad uncool for straights to preach about this subject. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #41

Clinton was from New York. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #61

Vermont was the unquestioned leader. Years before any state it approved civil unione. So, yes, pnwmom Nov 2015 #65

Hillary opposed it on moral grounds. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #34

bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha cosmicone Nov 2015 #38

Straight Hillary supporters preach at LGBT about our own lives, when we correct them they laugh. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #42

That is a most heteronormative comment. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #60

It is perfectly eunormative thank you. n/t cosmicone Nov 2015 #66

Very likely even. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #12

It is possible. murielm99 Nov 2015 #15

I don't think anyone here believes that Sanders is personally racially prejudiced. Lyric Nov 2015 #16

you have totally misstated what Bernie has done. daybranch Nov 2015 #19

I didn't state anything that Bernie has done Lyric Nov 2015 #23

Well stated. nt Skidmore Nov 2015 #79

Well stated Lyric. William769 Nov 2015 #80

I cannot that you enough for saying this. Yes. Doing those things are racist. And it happens non bravenak Nov 2015 #81

Well said! mcar Nov 2015 #83

Objectivity versus subjectivity always helps. I don't know why some take it personally because freshwest Nov 2015 #84

Well said, Lyric emulatorloo Nov 2015 #85

And there it is. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #22

I suppose that is why he was part of the March On Washington in 1963. Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #29

Original racial sin... that's a new one. Even for my ears. Fearless Nov 2015 #87

yes it's possible stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #17

I know that I'm a racist. jamesatemple Nov 2015 #20

Truisms here Android3.14 Nov 2015 #25

taking advantage of these ingrained biases is a problem for me tk2kewl Nov 2015 #36

I have posted links to Jane Elliotts life Puglover Nov 2015 #62

She is also one of my heroes, Puglover. marym625 Nov 2015 #70

Thank you Puglover. lovemydog Nov 2015 #71

Please let me know what you think once you do. Puglover Nov 2015 #72

Very fascinating. lovemydog Nov 2015 #74

Look believe me. I work on it every single day. Puglover Nov 2015 #75

Likewise Puglover. lovemydog Nov 2015 #78

+1000 blackspade Nov 2015 #88

Acknowledging one's "inner racism" is really the only way to the path that bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #64

Enough with your divisive, wedge issues! randome Nov 2015 #24

Yes! nt Adrahil Nov 2015 #26

It seems the most reasonable conclusion. Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #27

LOL! Another BernieBro trying to confuse the issue! MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #30

One of the two candidates has made unfair racist allegations explode. Again. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #32

^^ This. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #35

I'm pretty certain that neither are Dem2 Nov 2015 #39

i don't think they are. But I have seen anti-Semitism against Bernie Autumn Nov 2015 #40

I agree with all of that. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #44

Yes. MuseRider Nov 2015 #53

Excellent post. bullwinkle428 Nov 2015 #63

I thought there were 3 major Democratic candidates...nt SidDithers Nov 2015 #46

As a Latina artislife Nov 2015 #47

I'm with her ^ Mike__M Nov 2015 #76

It's not just possible. It's certain. MineralMan Nov 2015 #48

None of them are mcar Nov 2015 #49

Oops I forgot to rec this Autumn Nov 2015 #50

Agreed but people will use any tactic unfortunately. mmonk Nov 2015 #51

A possible outcome leaves it open with room for error.... AuntPatsy Nov 2015 #52

Point in fact: In '08 Obama held rallies with anti gay evangelists who ranted against LGBT rights Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #54

Very true. nt Autumn Nov 2015 #55

Great post and points. mmonk Nov 2015 #56

In 2007, I think I remember Mike__M Nov 2015 #73

Yes. It's possible but Rebkeh Nov 2015 #57

For that matter Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #58

i believe that none of them harbor racial animus restorefreedom Nov 2015 #59

I don't think any of them are. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #68

Neither Bernie, HRC, or MOM are racists emulatorloo Nov 2015 #86