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2016 Postmortem

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Segami

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Tue Nov 10, 2015, 11:19 PM Nov 2015

Do You WANT TO SEE One Of The Republicans Win In 2016? If So, Backing Hillary Is The Way To Go [View all]




Greg Sargent raised the warning signals, based on a new poll released yesterday by Stan Greenberg, that core Democratic voters-- particularly millennials (but also unmarried women and minorities-- are not as energized by the 2016 elections yet as core Republican voters. Perhaps that's because anti-establishment Democrats have come to the conclusion that their party's horribly flawed establishment candidate is inevitable, while Republicans have all but vanquished her equivalent (Jeb) and will probably pick an altogether anti-establishment candidate, if not "outsiders" Trump or Carson, then Texas neo-fascist Ted Cruz.

The Democratic establishment strategy is always "but we have the lesser-of-two-evils." And that's true. Bernie summed up the conundrum on ABC's This Week Sunday when he told viewers, when asked about the party's establishment-backed candidate, that "on her worst day, Hillary Clinton will be an infinitely better candidate and president than the Republican candidate on his best day. But having said that, we have very significant differences, and the key difference is I see a nation in which we have a grotesque level of income and wealth inequality." Bernie is the Democrats' anti-establishment candidate, even to the point of leaving big money from wealthy progressives on the table."


Sanders' refusal to engage in big money politics provides a striking contrast to Clinton. Northern California trails only Washington and New York, and arguably Southern California, as a campaign cash target for her campaign. And its huge financial role was underscored last week by a 900-person, hour-and-a-half gathering headlined by Clinton at a manor deep in Silicon Valley on Wednesday afternoon and a 290-person event at a Napa winery on Thursday evening.

Meanwhile, the Vermonter's lack of interest in the region's cash is a phenomenon that jibes with his campaign's singular focus on Iowa and New Hampshire this fall. But by not sending emissaries-- and not even stopping by the San Francisco area for one of his signature megarallies-- the insurgent Vermont senator is missing out on potentially millions of dollars.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-silicon-valley-fundraising-215619



When Bernie told ABC News viewers that the key difference between Hilary and himself is that he sees "a nation in which we have a grotesque level of income and wealth inequality," the implication is that she doesn't. Or that, at the very least, stressing over it isn't her top priority. David Dayen's American Prospect article, Bring Back Antitrust, on the prevalence of "market concentration" (monopolies) as a driving force in American business, helps explain why it should be and why progressives are so much more excited about Bernie than about... the establishment candidate. "Market concentration," he wrote, "has a powerful impact on the day-to-day lives of every American, not just because monopolists have pricing power. Monopolies can also stunt innovation, degrade quality of service, increase inequality, and concentrate political power. But in a segmented economy, monopoly pricing power and suppression of innovation in some sectors can co-exist with competitive markets elsewhere. As for low inflation, much of it reflects depressed wages, in some ways driven by market concentration. So the consumer is hit twice-- once in the paycheck and again at the store. And the Internet, for all of its ability to facilitate shopping around, has facilitated platform monopolies or near-monopolies such as Amazon and Google, with other anti-competitive effects. ...American progressives have long had an ambivalent view of bigness. The split was evident in the presidential election of 1912. Bull Moose Teddy Roosevelt’s idea was to allow some concentration to most efficiently distribute goods, but to let experts regulate those firms for the public benefit. Democrat Woodrow Wilson, and his adviser Louis Brandeis, saw concentrated power as dangerous, and held that monopolies that unduly restricted competition should be broken up.

~snip~

Can anti-monopoly sentiment be revived? When New York’s Working Families Party first recruited Zephyr Teachout to run for governor, she said she would only do it if she could talk about monopolies. “They polled it, and they were correct that nobody knew what I was talking about,” Teachout says. But when she eventually ran an insurgent campaign against incumbent Andrew Cuomo, she was determined to talk about it anyway. “The minute you got past the sound-bite level, people responded to the concentration of power,” Teachout says. They did campaign events at places where people paid their cable bills, using the pending Comcast–Time Warner merger, eventually abandoned, as the hook. She engaged farmers in upstate New York about monopsony power, and discussed Amazon and big banks on the stump. And it resonated. After only one month of campaigning, Teachout won 35 percent of the vote, with particular strength in upstate counties where farming issues were prominent. “The Tea Party talks to people and says, ‘You’re out of power because government is taking it away from you,’” Teachout says. “Far too often, Democrats say, ‘You’re wrong, you’re not out of power.’ That’s dissonant with our lived experience. You’re out of power … because your priorities don’t matter and JPMorgan’s do.”

http://prospect.org/article/bring-back-antitrust-0


But here's where the source of Clinton's backers and her corporate-oriented campaign contributions come into play-- and why the Politico story about Bernie not wanting to chase Silicon Valley money is so important. This chart from the Greenberg poll was all over the internet yesterday. Understanding the "whys" behind it... less so. If you feel we need to bring back antitrust, please consider a contribution to the candidates who see eye-to-eye with you on that.




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What the Hillary supporters just don't understand SheilaT Nov 2015 #1
If you watched the debate tonight redstateblues Nov 2015 #2
Wonderful. Then let's nominate him. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #5
Good to hear. SheilaT Nov 2015 #10
Amazing Times.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #24
Oh, and we should tailor our choices for the Prez nomination to what the Repukes think!?!?!?!? Hepburn Nov 2015 #66
Democrats think Hillary Clinton is more trustworthy than Bernie Sanders BlueStateLib Nov 2015 #8
Misleading headline thesquanderer Nov 2015 #48
Like heck. merrily Nov 2015 #56
.... Hepburn Nov 2015 #68
What the Sanders supporters just don't understand jmowreader Nov 2015 #13
But I thought the nonSanders Dems were party loyalists artislife Nov 2015 #16
Apparently that's not the case with the non-Hillary Democrats jmowreader Nov 2015 #19
Ho hum. nt artislife Nov 2015 #20
That's were the Write In process in the voting booth counts... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #25
OT..your screen name artislife Nov 2015 #27
Nope, a Town in Michigan. LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #32
Oh.. artislife Nov 2015 #34
Cheboygan. Alpena and Mackinaw... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #39
It was after the snow and before the big flies artislife Nov 2015 #40
What Hillary supporters don't understand is how big a problem Hillary's record and baggage merrily Nov 2015 #54
If you want a "perfect" candidate, we aren't going to get one jmowreader Nov 2015 #60
I'm not looking for a perfect candidate, but we have one who's much better than Hillary. merrily Nov 2015 #61
Jimmy Carter Hepburn Nov 2015 #69
What the Clinton supporters just don't understand earthside Nov 2015 #82
Maybe this represents a way to educate Americans about social democracy, eh? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #103
No it isn't. You're thinking of back in the 'fifties which are now history and people today KNOW sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #128
The socialist label is a non issue, SheilaT Nov 2015 #129
She thinks it will not matter in the general because we will jwirr Nov 2015 #52
Weak sauce in the extreme. Darb Nov 2015 #118
Ok. n/t zappaman Nov 2015 #3
Someone recently accused you of never posting anything of substance and you challanged rhett o rick Nov 2015 #6
He and Bravenak use the same avatar waldo.c Nov 2015 #14
Same person, two profiles....maybe... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Nov 2015 #85
That is not cool not even close to being cool Kalidurga Nov 2015 #37
The bravenak profile is on here virtually 24/7. Beyond weird riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #80
Looks like MIRT did sort it out. JTFrog Nov 2015 #86
He believes that he's scary? BeanMusical Nov 2015 #15
Seriously, you needed to search? merrily Nov 2015 #51
I thought I'd give the benefit of the doubt although I didn't really have a doubt. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #67
My poking fun with honest posters such as you is usually gentle merrily Nov 2015 #72
Jury results should not have been anywhere near close. merrily Nov 2015 #53
How ironic it would have been to get a hide from a post that I made attempting to rhett o rick Nov 2015 #62
Stretch is a polite way to put it. merrily Nov 2015 #76
I haven't noticed. I will look more closely. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #83
Voting duggie99 Nov 2015 #4
But if Clinton wins, the Oligarchy wins. No help for those living in poverty. No help for the poor rhett o rick Nov 2015 #7
What a bunch of BS. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #17
Which Clinton are you talking about? BeanMusical Nov 2015 #30
The one that's not running for office Scootaloo Nov 2015 #43
But the one who's running for office created 25 million jobs. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #47
Sanders can't win because he's not making significant headway among pnwmom Nov 2015 #44
This is a valid concern Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #106
And since the debate, Sanders is doing worse among African Americans, not better. pnwmom Nov 2015 #114
Gawd save us from the Queen! RobertEarl Nov 2015 #9
Ronda Rousey Will NOT vote for Hillary gordyfl Nov 2015 #11
That's like an endorsement from Donny Schatz or Aaron Martens jmowreader Nov 2015 #23
Rousey is a 28 year-old woman. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #46
And many fewer Americans have heard of her than even Bernie Sanders. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #45
Who cares? She didn't vote for Pres. Obama in 2012 either. Metric System Nov 2015 #64
Nov 9: McClatchy/Marist Poll: Hillary Clinton Leads All Republicans Nationally SunSeeker Nov 2015 #12
Sanders is more electable than Clinton. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #21
Nope. Sanders has not been hit with the GOP onslaught of lies like Hillary has. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #26
Is that the latest attempt to win over Sanders supporters: Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #29
Why do you think the GOP is trying to help Bernie get the nomination? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #31
Those links don't confirm your words. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #33
OK, you don't have to believe what they say. How about what they do? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #35
Because Clinton's campaign is doing all the attacking for them? eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #36
Hardly. Bernie has pretty much gone unscathed up to now. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #49
Because racism and sexism and socialism haven't been hurled at him as accusations? Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #59
Oh please. How many negative ads have been run against Bernie---by anyone? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #63
"Is he going to fight back with the 2 million he got from his supporters?" BeanMusical Nov 2015 #38
LOL. Good luck competing with the billion(s) in GOP super pac money with that. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #50
Simple math. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #73
LOL. What math? You offer no numbers. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #74
I don't need numbers. And some moderate Republicans have come forward to support rhett o rick Nov 2015 #84
It is simply not true that no Republicans will vote for Hillary. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #87
Then you explain how Clinton will get more votes in the general. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #89
Money, Organization, Message. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #90
How is she going to convince Sen Sanders supporters to vote for her? rhett o rick Nov 2015 #91
Hillary's voting record is to the left of Obama and Biden. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #93
"a Bernie supporter sitting home and letting the GOP take the White House." Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #95
2016 is not a midterm FFS. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #96
That doesn't make a difference if the candidate engenders low enthousiasm Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #97
Hillary supporters have lots of enthusiasm. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #98
But the majority of the millennials are not died-in-the-wool Hillary enthousiasts. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #100
2010 & 2014 were midterms. That is why the youth vote fell off so precipitously. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #117
Clinton's voting record is to the right of Sanders and even to the right of Obama. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #115
Nope. Hillary is rated "hard core liberal," just like Elizabeth Warren and to the left of Obama. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #116
OntheIssues has been debunked. They forgot about her vote to help the Republicons invade rhett o rick Nov 2015 #121
And yet she creams Sanders among liberal Dems. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #122
only in your mind. How can a Democrat support someone that takes millions for rhett o rick Nov 2015 #123
Hillary's donors are the same as Obama's. You can't win without big money. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #124
That's self-identified. A lot of conservative Democrats think they are liberal while supporting rhett o rick Nov 2015 #125
People know themselves better than you do, rhett o rick. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #127
If one is ok with the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi's they ain't liberal no matter how well they say rhett o rick Nov 2015 #132
Her favorability ratings bode ill for her appeal across party lines. n/t Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #94
Her ratings are better than Bernie's right now. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #99
The other way around, I think. n/t Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #101
Hillary's net favorable rating is 63%; Bernie's is 38%. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #102
That's among democrats. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #105
Hillary has been gaining among Independents way more than Bernie. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #107
Independents are Trump-like people, who agree a bit with both parties. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #108
Obama absolutely did go for Independents. And won because of them. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #109
If even in 2008 48% of the independents went for McCain, Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #110
Besides Independents, Obama won because of huge support among PoC and women. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #111
The Millennial vote had nothing to do with it, then? Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #112
The millenials pretty much stayed home in 2012 and Obama still won big. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #113
So you don't need us? Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #135
Most voters pick a candidate they need, not a candidate who needs them. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #136
And Clinton is not needed by the millennials, then. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #139
Millenials need her if they don't want to be ruled by the GOP. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #142
Vote Clinton or else? Really? There we go again with the "lesser of two evils" argument. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #145
Same as in November 2007... Hepburn Nov 2015 #70
Sanders is not Obama. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #75
She's beating EVERY Republican. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #18
Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #22
This isn't a message that will resonate with most Americans ecstatic Nov 2015 #41
No it would not be on the cover of any media - haven't you jwirr Nov 2015 #55
Great thread. A lot of information contained herein. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #42
Yeah, because the country can't wait to elect a 75 year old Socialist. Beacool Nov 2015 #57
I like to say they're posting from bizarro world where everything is opposite. Metric System Nov 2015 #65
A 68 year old with mega negatives certainly will do better. Hepburn Nov 2015 #71
Not according to the recent polls............. Historic NY Nov 2015 #81
"Take up our quarrel with the foe." -In Flanders Fields randome Nov 2015 #58
Third-Way IS our foe ibegurpard Nov 2015 #92
Facts, just the facts. Fact is Sanders as the nominee would not win the presidency, as the nominee Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #77
I do not think that word means what you think it means. Rilgin Nov 2015 #78
Did is stop the GOP candidates from bringing up socialists last night, no, and it will be their Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #79
After all of the years the Clintons have been targeted through non scandals yes we are aware and Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #131
on the democratic side Rilgin Nov 2015 #133
I have a larger problem with Sanders voting five times against the Brady Bill we have had more Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #134
There are small differences on guns between them Rilgin Nov 2015 #137
Everytime I hear Sanders explain the gun issue it is the "I am fron a rural state" and I don't hear Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #138
I do not have a problem with Hillary on guns. Rilgin Nov 2015 #143
Hillary is very experienced, she has listened and has set her agenda by the information she received Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #144
...in your opinion. artislife Nov 2015 #88
From my perspective if Hillary is elected President, one of the Republicans DID win. Maedhros Nov 2015 #104
Tell you what: Take the "Hillary is a Republican" line out to Ohio and Pennsylvania... brooklynite Nov 2015 #130
Good post, but Hilary is still "evolving" on some of these issues. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #119
Blech!!!! Darb Nov 2015 #120
Not good enough. Has to be bashing over the heads....constantly. randys1 Nov 2015 #126
Thanks for the chuckle. Really. Beausoir Nov 2015 #140
Ha! There is a reason Rachel Maddow asked Hillary what Republican Hillary would choose as VP. Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #141
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