2016 Postmortem

Agnosticsherbet

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69. going to watch, but they are really just long political commercials

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:57 AM

Nov 2015

Candidates plan their gotchas, and strategies over possible ways to turn the gotchas again sr the other candidates.

They plan ahead how to answer the questions the want asked and to avoid those they do not want to answer.

At one time in our history debates meant something. We learned things from them. Now, they are tightly orchestrated campaign events.

The way they nudge scientific polls tells us something about the Democratic party electorate. The anger and acrimony over who won, or the lack thereof, measures the stresses between factions within the party.

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What are you hoping for in the democratic debate Saturday? [View all] lovemydog Nov 2015 OP

Similar to the first debate. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #1

Yup. Agschmid Nov 2015 #22

Yes, very good. lovemydog Nov 2015 #30

I want to know HOW they plan on getting their agenda through this congress. bravenak Nov 2015 #2

... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #4

And the idea of 'taking to the streets' is not a PLAN TO GET THINGS TO PASS CONGRESS! bravenak Nov 2015 #14

Then how would you like that question answered? HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #17

Um? Answered with a coherent plan. One that does not include 'taking it to the street'. bravenak Nov 2015 #18

Visit his website for plans. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #19

Not my job. bravenak Nov 2015 #21

Well, if you're gonna sit back and complain that you don't know his plan HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #23

Why should I look it up? bravenak Nov 2015 #24

Because you said you wanted a plan on how Bernie (or anyone) will get things done HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #25

I have a right to complain as I please. bravenak Nov 2015 #27

I don't even know what to say to that. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #28

No. A candidate has to get his or her message out. Not expect people to go research. bravenak Nov 2015 #31

Willful ignorance AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #38

lol. n/t 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #95

Well, where in that plan do our responsibilities as citizens of a republic come into play, then? PatrickforO Nov 2015 #87

How about the major VA bill he got passed through the Republican House last year? jfern Nov 2015 #33

His FUTURE plans bravenak Nov 2015 #34

My point is that he has experience in getting bills though even a Republican House jfern Nov 2015 #39

That was not a difficult bill. Let me know when he gets them to pass some socialism for americans bravenak Nov 2015 #40

He got free community health clinics to cover another 10 million in the ACA jfern Nov 2015 #41

Some people don't care about truth AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #45

That I give obama credit for. Just like Bill gets credit for welfare reform. bravenak Nov 2015 #46

That wouldn't have happened without Bernie jfern Nov 2015 #48

I disagree. It is Obamacare, not Berniecare. bravenak Nov 2015 #50

The funding for the community healthcare centers was inserted by Bernie jfern Nov 2015 #53

Signed by Obama. bravenak Nov 2015 #54

So according to you, Bernie can't have any accomplishments? jfern Nov 2015 #56

Not on Obama's back. Obama gets NO credit around here. bravenak Nov 2015 #57

That's not true, and it's clear Bernie gets no credit from you. jfern Nov 2015 #59

It's just funny how folks who hate Obamacare, only love the part that they give Bernie credit for. bravenak Nov 2015 #61

ObamaCare should have gone further jfern Nov 2015 #62

Of course! The only good part are the part you give BERNIE credit for !!!!!!!!!!! I KNOW! bravenak Nov 2015 #63

Come on, it's called ObamaCare, Obama gets quite a bit of credit for it jfern Nov 2015 #64

Yes. Obama derserves mad criticism for the same bill that Bernie deserves accolades for. I KNOW. bravenak Nov 2015 #65

I see you believe in recycling Scootaloo Nov 2015 #86

I was not doing it in 2008. I do not care about 2008. bravenak Nov 2015 #89

It's still the same argument Scootaloo Nov 2015 #92

It is a winning argument this time. bravenak Nov 2015 #93

No, it's just a bad argument Scootaloo Nov 2015 #94

its kind of like arguing with a kid there 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #96

Then he should stop. bravenak Nov 2015 #99

Oh, I forgot. You make the decisions on good vs bad. bravenak Nov 2015 #98

Actually, the story told by those at the Brookings institution paints a different picture JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #51

I mentioned the 10 million people being covered by community health clinics jfern Nov 2015 #67

That was Obamacare. I want some Bernie legislation not wrapped into another bill. He has nothing. bravenak Nov 2015 #68

Legislation wrapped into another bill is just as valid jfern Nov 2015 #70

The VA bill is accepted. bravenak Nov 2015 #71

OK, she convinced her husband to support that jfern Nov 2015 #81

And Bernie supporters want to ignore his light record, lack of foreign policy, and vote for mass bravenak Nov 2015 #82

Ummm jfern Nov 2015 #83

Use presidential powers to bypass the Congress AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #35

Yeah right bravenak Nov 2015 #36

All it takes is a little courage AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #37

Yup. Calling for policy is not the same lovemydog Nov 2015 #15

We're on exactly the same wavelength here. lovemydog Nov 2015 #11

Ha! bravenak Nov 2015 #13

I want to know how they will help this congress be booted. morningfog Nov 2015 #55

Is this the new talking point now.... coyote Nov 2015 #97

What am I hoping for? Liberal Jesus Freak Nov 2015 #3

Exactly. bobbobbins01 Nov 2015 #6

+ 1000 nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #10

first and best answer /nt demwing Nov 2015 #20

I agree LJF. lovemydog Nov 2015 #74

Specifics on domestic issues. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #5

Yeah, the last debate also had a lot of Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #9

I like the way Rachel did it... chillfactor Nov 2015 #7

I agree. I like the forum setting much better than the debate. Much less time trying liberal_at_heart Nov 2015 #32

I want questions about Chained CPI. Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #8

Excellent questions. lovemydog Nov 2015 #73

Hoping for more great dialog, but expecting another win for our nominee. onehandle Nov 2015 #12

Yes, I am expecting Bernie to do very well. n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #47

Discuss the TPP. n/t winter is coming Nov 2015 #16

I'm hoping the moderators will stick to the issues and not political gossip. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #26

Same here. lovemydog Nov 2015 #72

I'm hoping they will use the time to address each of the lies told by the GOP tonight AND kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #29

Intelligent questions. Intelligent answers. Would love to have Rachel again... Hekate Nov 2015 #42

The day after Star Wars opens Blue_Adept Nov 2015 #43

That someone other than hard core political junkies who have already made up their minds will watch? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #44

That it wouldn't have been scheduled so Aerows Nov 2015 #49

An honest assessment by the MS pundits about who really "wins" DJ13 Nov 2015 #52

That won't happen. lovemydog Nov 2015 #75

Any kind of discussion of how to stop big money in politics.. aidbo Nov 2015 #58

I look forward to the Scientific Polls after the debate. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #60

Not interested in content...good to know. nt artislife Nov 2015 #66

going to watch, but they are really just long political commercials Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #69

Correct. I believe we must return to the League of Women Voters' lovemydog Nov 2015 #77

DWS resignation announcement. daleanime Nov 2015 #76

That would be a great start to the debate! lovemydog Nov 2015 #78

Well, I'd like to see a post-debate bump for Bernie. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #79

Bravo. lovemydog Nov 2015 #84

I want broad guaranteed public access to a livestream, delrem Nov 2015 #80

Great points, these should all be live streamed for free. lovemydog Nov 2015 #85

We're losing the concept of a general free and disinterested agora. delrem Nov 2015 #88

My girlfriend had an agora sweater. lovemydog Nov 2015 #90

heh. I knew what it meant but I looked it up there, too, delrem Nov 2015 #91