2016 Postmortem

dirtydickcheney

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2. Yes, she'll definitely be a drag on the ticket.

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 04:55 PM

Nov 2015

Nominate Bernie and I think it'll be likely that the House and the Senate wind up in the hands of the Democratic Party.

Nominate Hillary and it's significantly more likely that the House, Senate and the Presidency end up in the hands of the Republican Party.

Hillary just doesn't excite people the way Bernie does and I'm not aware of a single Republican who will vote for her. OTOH I hear plenty of Republicans say that they like Bernie and think he's honest and trustworthy. Those things matter.

Just my 2 cents....

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Maybe Hillary Clinton is the unelectable candidate [View all] DianeK Nov 2015 OP

maybe? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #1

Hillary is going to leader the country; Sanders supporters lewebley3 Nov 2015 #14

You're playing a dangerous game here giving republicans somebody they hate to vote against. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #42

Yeah republicans love MyNameGoesHere Nov 2015 #66

Every Democrat is a socialist to the Republicans. There's only one Hillary Clinton. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #69

And the only reason they attack Hillary Clinton is because they know what Sanders supporters BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #82

The Republicans fear Sanders more than Hillary does AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #100

Yeah. You keep telling yourself that. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #110

Particularly their corporate backers AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #111

But not Lockheed Martin or gun manufacturers. They're safe! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #112

It is a safe bet he would cut the military budget AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #113

I'll believe it when I see it. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #114

If that's you argument pinebox Nov 2015 #78

The minute Bill Clinton was in the White House Repub investigations started and in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #81

Everything is relative. And, yes, Republicans in Congress work with, and respect, Sanders. merrily Nov 2015 #105

Not just republicans would vote against Bernie, but lewebley3 Nov 2015 #89

"leader the country"? Divernan Nov 2015 #72

Yes, she'll definitely be a drag on the ticket. dirtydickcheney Nov 2015 #2

Hillary is the best person to lead the Dem's lewebley3 Nov 2015 #16

Not THIS Democrat. bvar22 Nov 2015 #32

Me neither! blondie58 Nov 2015 #45

You need to do you homework: Hillary is the heir to FDR Democratic Values lewebley3 Nov 2015 #87

Did you forget the sarcasm tag? bvar22 Nov 2015 #92

My is a fact and the truth lewebley3 Nov 2015 #94

OK. List the programs of the "New Deal" and "Great Society" bvar22 Nov 2015 #95

Hillary is for all the New Deal: and She is very crafty poltiican like lewebley3 Nov 2015 #96

Knew you couldn't do it. bvar22 Nov 2015 #97

Hillary is Dem not a socialist: She believes in working lewebley3 Nov 2015 #108

ARe you just spamming threads with bullsh*t, or do you rally believe that nonsense. bvar22 Nov 2015 #115

Waits to take or change a position until she feels it can't possibly cost her anything. merrily Nov 2015 #40

That is smart: A good President is a good card player: FDR lewebley3 Nov 2015 #84

FDR took the lead more than any President in US history with the possible except of GW, who had no merrily Nov 2015 #85

FDR changed positions when needed: He also was in office 12 years: things change lewebley3 Nov 2015 #86

He often took unpoular positions MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #98

Yes, and he toke smart political positions lewebley3 Nov 2015 #107

Kindly name 3 significant positions FDR changed. merrily Nov 2015 #101

It's "Dems", not "Dem's" Divernan Nov 2015 #73

blame autocorrect ibegurpard Nov 2015 #75

In this instance, it's a toss up at best. merrily Nov 2015 #103

Thanks lewebley3 Nov 2015 #83

Look at the last 3 election cycles to see what happens when you run a GOP lite canpaign. You Vincardog Nov 2015 #60

The message that our country needs a deep systemic change and that Ron Green Nov 2015 #3

Bernie's support derives from a belief that things should be better daybranch Nov 2015 #48

That's right, and Bernie's name will remain as a rallying point for system change, even of he Ron Green Nov 2015 #56

let me just say... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #4

That's a good pic of you? RobertEarl Nov 2015 #6

What an argument without a :rofl:? mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #17

there was nothing else to say VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author tecelote Nov 2015 #36

Which only shows the limits of your beautiful mind mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #49

Yes..it has THE answer... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #57

Seeing this unelectable Hillary meme is distressing. When all is said and done, if a con randys1 Nov 2015 #51

I notice you say nothing about the meme that Sanders is unelectable. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #70

He has only just recently had his "come to Jesus" moment...and became an actual Democrat VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #77

No, I didn't say that at all. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #79

I know.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #80

I am voting for Hillary Rodham Clinton. leftofcool Nov 2015 #5

You left off, "no matter what." nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #8

So this means that you will write her in no matter who the Dem nominee is? Hepburn Nov 2015 #31

Did left say that VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #59

Where did you see that in my post? leftofcool Nov 2015 #93

Sanders won the 18-29 category in both Iowa and New Hampshire by a more than three to one margin. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #7

or vote... nt msongs Nov 2015 #9

Beat me too it. I lost faith in the "Youth" vote with Mondale. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #11

Fucking kids! What did they ever do! jeff47 Nov 2015 #13

Good one. tecelote Nov 2015 #37

You are not convincing me...and yes they helped Obama get elected. Lochloosa Nov 2015 #46

This graph is interesting zalinda Nov 2015 #62

Obama lost among over 40 in 2012 and lost or tied over 40 in 2008. jeff47 Nov 2015 #67

Not sure what that means, but Mondale was a centrist VP with zero charisma who merrily Nov 2015 #50

Sure, that's why Romney's in the white house right now! jeff47 Nov 2015 #12

Bill Daley and Al Frum know better FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #34

They voted for Obama in 2008. merrily Nov 2015 #41

The people are working hard for Hillary lewebley3 Nov 2015 #18

I heard they go 8-1 from, I think it was the Sane Progressive lady. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #43

Yep, they don't get polled because they have a cell phone or no voting history... cascadiance Nov 2015 #44

For the 99th time: neither Bernie or Clinton can get elected if their respective supporters don't onenote Nov 2015 #10

I agree Dem2 Nov 2015 #20

How can an enthusiasm gap be a serious problem for her? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #22

Enthusiasm is what actually gets people to the polls. jeff47 Nov 2015 #23

and what part of 92% chance tells you that there is an enthusiasm gap? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #24

Vegas odds are not a measure of enthusiasm. jeff47 Nov 2015 #25

Vegas odds? At 92%..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2015 #27

Yes, that's what predictwise is. jeff47 Nov 2015 #29

No one wins an election 12 months before it is conducted. onenote Nov 2015 #30

Well said. blackspade Nov 2015 #71

OMG! Your post makes sense! Pathwalker Nov 2015 #99

Sheesh! Finally someone sees the reality here. in_cog_ni_to Nov 2015 #15

Hillary is love with a passion by supporters: and they lewebley3 Nov 2015 #21

Only 39% of them will work hard. jeff47 Nov 2015 #26

When we get to the general; Hillary have Obama and all the Dem party behind her lewebley3 Nov 2015 #88

No. That's the point of the OP. jeff47 Nov 2015 #90

There is great excitement for Hillary: The is no excitement for a socialist lewebley3 Nov 2015 #91

Polling shows the exact opposite. jeff47 Nov 2015 #104

We are just getting started in the running for Presidency lewebley3 Nov 2015 #106

And this means that those who hate her suddenly support her??? Hepburn Nov 2015 #35

+1 Hepburn Nov 2015 #33

The problem is that it works both ways onenote Nov 2015 #39

Polling says otherwise re: millenials. I say this as a millenial. Sanders supporters like to pretend Metric System Nov 2015 #53

+1 PADemD Nov 2015 #64

I agree with your assessment coyote Nov 2015 #76

Well, her campaign seems to be worried about her electibility. See the smear campaigns sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #28

Who can tell? 6chars Nov 2015 #38

Afraid so. She is not a leader, she is a follower. Her speech about the Iraq war resolution was thereismore Nov 2015 #47

A Sanders supporter wants to stop the smearing and talk about the issues. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #52

Yeah you're not the messenger for this ibegurpard Nov 2015 #58

Nope. That's Bernie. Those Democrats the author talks to are spot on. DanTex Nov 2015 #54

I believe it is because of this reason that retrowire Nov 2015 #55

She cannot and will not win the Presidency. SoapBox Nov 2015 #61

What concerns me is DW Schultz's record of electing Democratic candidates in recent elections. jalan48 Nov 2015 #63

Remind me who won the Presidency in 2012? brooklynite Nov 2015 #74

Hillary spans more enthusiasm among republicons to vote against her than she does Kip Humphrey Nov 2015 #65

Seems a little early to deem her unelectable Jarqui Nov 2015 #68

It Is Increasingly Clear That HRC Must Withdraw From The 2016 Election For Her Role As A Neocon cantbeserious Nov 2015 #102

the bubble extends to her campaign as well as to her policies MisterP Nov 2015 #109