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H2O Man

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29. Fear, of course, has
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 10:14 PM
Nov 2015

frequently been used by various governments/rulers around the globe, as a means of organizing large populations. Hence, of course it's presented as a "dangerous time" when elections roll around. But that is only slightly related to what I said about current times. I hope that I made clear that it is my impression that we are in a dangerous time. And I accept that others might look at the exact same circumstances that I do, and think it's not a particularly dangerous time, or even that it's a safe time.

I think it is good for people to look at the facts, or circumstances, and decide things like that, for themselves. Hence, while I'm aware of what "they" who always present times as dangerous, their opinion is distinct from mine. It doesn't influence me. But, again, I agree they are out there.

Being a person who trusts others to think for themselves, I do not feel any desire or need to tell anyone who they should vote for .....except in situations where I am an active part in a campaign. I helped an area candidate win his contest in the recent election. There, of course, I spoke as part of the campaign, and definitely asked people to vote for a specific candidate.

I do advocate that people vote. I don't think that voting alone can bring about necessary change. I think people need to be active participants in social and political events. I'll spare you the list of current social-political activities that I am or have recently been engaging in. The things I'm active in are obviously important to me. But I recognize that the next person is going to hold different interests. That's a good thing.

Now, I suppose that I might come off as a person focused upon locating the safety of the lesser of two evils to some people. Still others might think very differently.But I don't worry about that, one way or the other. Maybe I should, but I honestly don't.

In terms of a "dangerous time" et al, and how it relates to the primaries, and potentially the general election, that's something that I accept is understood by some, and not by others. The responses to the OP document that. But from my perspective, I think that the business about old Dick Cheney is important in ways well beyond his serving as vice president for eight years. I think that some Cheneyites are still in positions influencing our government. Again, just my opinion, but I view Cheney and his ilk pose real dangers to our constitutional democracy.

Primary Factors [View all] H2O Man Nov 2015 OP
Truly sobering. K&R Nt NCTraveler Nov 2015 #1
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #2
I finished reading your op and sat back for a minute. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #3
One of the things H2O Man Nov 2015 #5
Cheney liberally salted the Civil Service with his moles before leaving, by changing job categories Hekate Nov 2015 #20
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #21
+1,000 times H2O!! 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #7
Thank you. H2O Man Nov 2015 #11
I believe that once the primary season is over the electorate will come to its senses corkhead Nov 2015 #4
Hopefully! H2O Man Nov 2015 #6
It's interesting how the different versions of people sometimes hold diametrically opposite views Fumesucker Nov 2015 #8
It makes you wonder, H2O Man Nov 2015 #12
Well RobertEarl Nov 2015 #9
Well said. H2O Man Nov 2015 #13
But let's not go overboard. malthaussen Nov 2015 #17
I would tend H2O Man Nov 2015 #22
there is no place for people who ride 9-11 to slaughter a million Iraqis and 5,000 Americans MisterP Nov 2015 #10
Yep. H2O Man Nov 2015 #14
On "All In," Chris Hayes H2O Man Nov 2015 #15
K&R, for later reading; am at work. n/t ms liberty Nov 2015 #16
Thanks! H2O Man Nov 2015 #23
and how many Wall Streeters are lying in wait? antigop Nov 2015 #18
Well said! H2O Man Nov 2015 #25
"Two of them are extremely dangerous." Cruz was one of the speakers at the Kill The Gays meeting. Hekate Nov 2015 #19
Great point. H2O Man Nov 2015 #28
Dam*n, that last line is hilarious -- it made me laugh out loud Samantha Nov 2015 #42
Kick 7wo7rees Nov 2015 #24
Good OP as usual, I read the reports of Bush Sr and Cheney. And all of what you remind us of sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #26
Can you name a period of American history since the World War I years that was not presented merrily Nov 2015 #27
Fear, of course, has H2O Man Nov 2015 #29
Thank you. Cheney is not running in the Democratic primary, but someone who helped merrily Nov 2015 #30
in 08, you said Hillary was like a lynch mob and said she's unfit for Democrats. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #32
Histrionics are so unappealing. H2O Man Nov 2015 #33
His entire family's careers are Dick Cheney lunatica Nov 2015 #37
I agree, 100%. H2O Man Nov 2015 #40
This also made me think of other characters lovemydog Nov 2015 #31
Right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #36
Now that I can look back lunatica Nov 2015 #34
You are absolutely right. H2O Man Nov 2015 #38
Great post. Thanks. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #35
Thank you! H2O Man Nov 2015 #39
Excellent post, as always, H2OMan. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #41
kick'd and rec'd lunatica Nov 2015 #43
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