2016 Postmortem

kelliekat44

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41. We really need to move on from this divisive crap about the Iraq war. Sure, Hillary voted for

Thu Nov 12, 2015, 09:59 PM

Nov 2015

it but she was not the only one. We make it sound here on DU like hers was the deciding vote to get us into that war. It was a BAD judgement call. But I will go out on a limb and say that there are not many people who have not made a serious bad judgement call...even as a candidate for the Presidency or even as President. But damn, put that history in context and blame the people who formed the bad intel, pushed the lies, and played on people's emotions and hurt from 9/11. Bernie has voted for every war support measure since then. Some of the people I have high regard for voted yes for the Iraq war. I didn't like it but I do not hold that against them and it is easy to just say I apologize whether you mean it or not. Having made one mistake doesn't mean you would make the same mistake and especially if you learned something from the first mistake.

Bush lied and people died. That should be our mantra. Nothing else...

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I continue to be utterly mystified. [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP

A lot of Democrats supported the IWR Dem2 Nov 2015 #1

She hasn't apologized. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #2

Senate Democratic 29 for 21 against Dem2 Nov 2015 #8

The folks who wanted to run for President MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #10

yep, 5 or 6 have including our current VP (Biden) and our 2004 candidate (Kerry) and Hillary Dem2 Nov 2015 #23

Do you REALLY want to associate Hillary with Lieberman? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #33

I hate Lieberman's guts Dem2 Nov 2015 #37

Perhaps it's not the wisest tactic to use the "they did it too so it must be okay" excuse.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #184

so what. not mitigation at all roguevalley Nov 2015 #190

The media was being stenographers for Rove and was driving the narrative.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #192

Every Democratic Senator* who later ran for President voted for it. That is no coincidence. merrily Nov 2015 #45

Graham ran in '04 and Chafee, who ran this year (was a Republican back then) both voted against it Dem2 Nov 2015 #63

I should have specified Democrats. merrily Nov 2015 #65

True, but was providing info Dem2 Nov 2015 #69

From an omission you're going to assume an argument? merrily Nov 2015 #77

Well, OK Dem2 Nov 2015 #82

Thanks for your replies to my post 45. merrily Nov 2015 #83

Yes, I see the edits to your posts Dem2 Nov 2015 #95

No edit changed meaning except the edit to Reply 45 that I clearly identified as an edit. merrily Nov 2015 #110

I would have replied differently Dem2 Nov 2015 #124

Please. merrily Nov 2015 #126

I'm sorry, that's next door. This is abuse. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #93

LOL! redwitch Nov 2015 #293

"Flying Fox of The Yard!??!?" hatrack Nov 2015 #318

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Nov 2015 #122

Every Democrat who voted for it and ran for President, lost. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #188

Enough Democrats voted no in the House that most Democrats in Congress voted no jfern Nov 2015 #27

apologetic. if that's what it takes to make her palatable then count me out. People died because she roguevalley Nov 2015 #189

actually, if the media is controlled, then it is mitigated. Kokonoe Nov 2015 #311

This is part of a bigger issue, that of the US Congress, particularly PatrickforO Nov 2015 #336

She was trying to buff up her national security credentials KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #361

The War supporters, the Blue Dog Democrats, are mostly gone, in case you hadn't noticed Demeter Nov 2015 #194

What was the Democratic House vote? Oilwellian Nov 2015 #216

Here is the list: bvar22 Nov 2015 #239

Not true. A handful in Congress did, but those of us in the rank-and-file knew better. Scuba Nov 2015 #81

Well then consider it a no go. She said her vote was a mistake. She needs to apologize rhett o rick Nov 2015 #177

Most Democrats (and Bernie) voted AGAINST the IWR. bvar22 Nov 2015 #322

The picture is for Afghanistan war vet Sheepshank Nov 2015 #331

I wish I was mystified ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #3

So we'll put you down for an 'oopsie' MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #4

I think you can put it down as a free pass for enabling the Bush Admin Hydra Nov 2015 #14

anyone who can try and mitigate her vote after the image posted to this thread needs to sit down roguevalley Nov 2015 #191

Actually, you can put me down for a "got it". NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #51

Excellent barometer, sheshe2 Nov 2015 #73

Or maybe you can read this. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #248

Awww, so bored with DU ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #287

What happens if Bernie isnt the nominee? Which candidate will best represent randys1 Nov 2015 #280

stuck in our craws, values. reddread Nov 2015 #16

rand paul is right.. DianeK Nov 2015 #18

Fuck Rand Paul. n/t JTFrog Nov 2015 #30

I agree, but he was right on that one. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #38

+1 million geardaddy Nov 2015 #233

Rand Paul is a shill for the corporations! n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #50

Yeah, Rand Paul ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #54

Rand Paul can suck my dick. Codeine Nov 2015 #79

I think he'd be horribly inept at it, myself. He doesn't seem to be a very msanthrope Nov 2015 #198

Eww, i feel dirty, hearing anyone here use Rand Paul as a viable person to quote randys1 Nov 2015 #281

the same old/same old shit. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #28

I care, my family cares. We been thru it because of that prick W. But if it turns out randys1 Nov 2015 #283

I didn't need the sarcasm thingie did I? AlbertCat Nov 2015 #304

Shows you how twisted things are around here, sorry. randys1 Nov 2015 #313

The Iraq war and the destruction it did, is not "the same old/same old shit". darkangel218 Nov 2015 #40

And she calls Bernie supporters "cultists" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #89

They always project, thats what they do. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #94

And it is not over by any means. zeemike Nov 2015 #113

No, of course it's not anywhere near over. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #116

Could it be Andy823 Nov 2015 #70

Oh, no, I can't believe that would be the case. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #85

Yeah, same old shit. Agony Nov 2015 #74

Aided and abetted. Helped sell the war to Americans, much as did Colin Powell in his UN speech. merrily Nov 2015 #143

very good points. Thanks for this post. kath Nov 2015 #159

You're most welcome. I've posted them before but not everyone sees every post. merrily Nov 2015 #161

Yes ........... this. ! nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #270

Did her vote stop being true? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #141

And posting about it on DU ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #250

Yea, but did you know about this? ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #267

+1,000,000 nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #268

Well, according to DU ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #271

People are still dying, we're still paying for it and can't get out, and the ME is fucked. And... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #272

And you think your post is substantive? Maybe some want to regurgitating the blatant rhett o rick Nov 2015 #178

I know what you mean, all the same old stupid arguments against Hillary. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #203

BOOM! merrily Nov 2015 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #247

3 letter word = oil Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #5

3 letter word sheshe2 Nov 2015 #180

Two words: logical fallacy beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #197

Only one? merrily Nov 2015 #273

Well, assuming you voted Dem in '04, you already voted for someone voted for IWR. DanTex Nov 2015 #6

Dean? n/t Wilms Nov 2015 #9

Letting the GOP win the presidency DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #24

I don't think anyone hates Bernie here. Certainly not me or most Hillary supporters. DanTex Nov 2015 #34

an honest answer DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #173

Sanders wins match up polls and, if the nominee, Hillary will have no coattails at all. Next! merrily Nov 2015 #274

Yeah, I know the talking points, I just don't believe them. DanTex Nov 2015 #276

Right back at you, DanTex. merrily Nov 2015 #277

I guess that explains why we support different candidates. DanTex Nov 2015 #278

I support Sanders because he has almost always been on the right side of history. Hill has not merrily Nov 2015 #285

I support Hillary because I like her platform, and I think she's got the best chance vs the GOP. DanTex Nov 2015 #288

Her platform is a mash up of ideas of Warren/Sanders, spoiled by triangulation and 1% deference. merrily Nov 2015 #290

I don't see it that way. Besides, my main concern is beating the GOP. Given GOP obstruction, DanTex Nov 2015 #294

Now, you've circled back to electability, which I've already covered, a sign of last wordism. merrily Nov 2015 #296

And I covered your coverage, by noting that I disagreed with your assessment. DanTex Nov 2015 #297

No you did not. You're not covering my other points with anything but more conclusory claims,either. merrily Nov 2015 #300

Yes, I did. We simply have a difference of opinion. It happens all the time. DanTex Nov 2015 #301

You've made only unsupported claims, no analyis or links, then repeated them again and again. merrily Nov 2015 #302

Hillary is the best candidate in the race. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #31

At beating the GOP in the general. DanTex Nov 2015 #35

At beating the GOP in the general. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #39

Well, Bernie's too far left, can't raise serious money, and is highly vulnerable to DanTex Nov 2015 #42

Well, Clinton's too far right, raises money form corporate master and is highly vulnerable. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #223

She has zero appeal for the 63% of alienated voters eridani Nov 2015 #193

And? And, no Hillary is not the best candidate. The one who voted against the war is. merrily Nov 2015 #55

She came, she voted, they died. reformist2 Nov 2015 #7

...+1 840high Nov 2015 #138

Yeah, that little turn of phrase still grates in my gizzard, too Demeter Nov 2015 #195

Much more than just a vote--though the vote would have been bad enough. merrily Nov 2015 #269

+1 Hepburn Nov 2015 #328

+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #362

+1 merrily Dec 2015 #368

Drama, a la stirring the masses. babylonsister Nov 2015 #11

Who? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #15

I have a lot of faith in people evolving, maybe only because history demands it. babylonsister Nov 2015 #21

+1000 sheshe2 Nov 2015 #29

Personally, I would rather see them RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #57

People who evolve because history demands it evolve way too late and are not leaders. merrily Nov 2015 #291

I've never seen that "we came, we saw..." clip before. That was disturbing Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #56

Yes it is creepy. dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #136

Oh, come on. It's Hillarious! merrily Nov 2015 #289

I do not completely fault her Jarqui Nov 2015 #105

In 1998, Hillary complained about a "vast right-wing conspiracy" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #118

Nice that you babylonsister Nov 2015 #130

It was undoubtedly one of the finest speeches Sen. Byrd had ever given Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #133

This one? LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #148

Yeah, that's the one Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #149

I had not heard that speech passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #314

Hell of a man, I have been liberal/socialist but I still liked Byrd. A really fine speaker, LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #320

Roughly 216 million Americans (72%) didn't know that in early 2003 Jarqui Nov 2015 #147

To a lot of us, it was too obvious Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #154

To too many, it wasn't too obvious Jarqui Nov 2015 #209

It wasn't just "stealing an election" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #220

In the 60s, I was kind of independently minded. Jarqui Nov 2015 #229

It was spelled out long before Bush got into office. polly7 Nov 2015 #218

My boss in Japan at the time (RIP) Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #227

He was a smart man for being so incredulous. polly7 Nov 2015 #228

My boss was a really good man Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #319

very moving post, feeling it navarth Nov 2015 #349

Thank you for your kind words Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #364

Funny thing: she coined that phrase to claim, on national TV, that the Lewinsky was a RW lie. merrily Nov 2015 #310

Ummm Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #165

In 1998 the criminals behind the Iraq War LibDemAlways Nov 2015 #183

If after all the noisesome revelations about our spies, you STILL believe their "reports" Demeter Nov 2015 #196

She could have taken the word of the sitting Vice President Fumesucker Nov 2015 #204

She knew better. We lay Democrats even knew better. She did not even read the NIE, which was part merrily Nov 2015 #309

Hillarious! merrily Nov 2015 #275

EVOLVING? Skittles Nov 2015 #19

This, exactly mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #44

what kills me is Skittles Nov 2015 #58

Yeah, I don't buy that she believed them mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #168

Outrage is great but too bad. babylonsister Nov 2015 #66

OMG WTF Skittles Nov 2015 #76

Ha! Bye. But I babylonsister Nov 2015 #86

nothing like soldiers and civilians dying FOR NO REASON to get my emotions up Skittles Nov 2015 #104

Just know I love you, and my intent wasn't to piss you off. babylonsister Nov 2015 #107

Why are F35s being embraced sheshe2 Nov 2015 #145

He voted for a bill to specifically fund the F35? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #153

For the man that never has a link. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #157

I don't post links, huh? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #166

Bernie is not against all war, nor is he against our having the best armed forces in the world. Vattel Nov 2015 #156

xactly 840high Nov 2015 #140

I agree Old Codger Nov 2015 #20

The whole country did treestar Nov 2015 #286

are you including people who vote to approve military appropriations....like bernie sanders does? n msongs Nov 2015 #12

You really consider voting for a horriffic and pointless war to be the same MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #13

"Not shut down our military"? So you're saying that political calculations are okay with you. randome Nov 2015 #72

You think it's a political calculation to vote for funding to keep our soldiers in boots and body Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #135

Say what you will, the fact remains that voting to fund a war is tantamount to supporting it. randome Nov 2015 #234

You sound just like this guy: polly7 Nov 2015 #235

My comment was about the politics. randome Nov 2015 #252

Oh what a load. polly7 Nov 2015 #256

I know Iraq was planned. It was a horror-show. I'd say it was a war crime. randome Nov 2015 #295

He 'couldn't' scale back ANYTHING. polly7 Nov 2015 #299

people who can excuse the IWR vote make me sick Skittles Nov 2015 #17

Same here. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #36

Amen. n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #329

It was a mere political calculation to further her career. Beautiful minds need not fret....n/t xocet Nov 2015 #22

Of course it was. 840high Nov 2015 #144

And politics. moondust Nov 2015 #25

Yep... WillyT Nov 2015 #26

How divisive and hypocritical. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #46

What does that have to do with women? Are you kidding? Every Dem that voted for that is... Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #68

Read the OP Ned about shilling''' sheshe2 Nov 2015 #101

Clearly, war-haters are misogynists MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #108

Zactly Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #111

Time for us both to come clean MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #114

Hey man, that's top secret bro stuff. Don't let that cat out of the bag! Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #132

What is clear is you have no problem with F35's in Vermont. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #134

Really? That's all you got? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #137

Well sheshe2 Nov 2015 #167

"the F-35, which, by the way, has been incredibly wasteful" MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #176

Yes I have read many articles about it sheshe2 Nov 2015 #181

Your post is a non-sequitor MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #182

No sheshe2 Nov 2015 #185

Yeah it's just Bernie voting for the F-35 neverforget Nov 2015 #169

That's 16 states druidity33 Nov 2015 #345

I'm Blaming ALL OF US For Those Images WillyT Nov 2015 #71

Possibly the most perfect statement ever made on DU MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #119

Thanks Manny... WillyT Nov 2015 #129

Yer Welcome! MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #150

One of the most fucking wrong posts I've ever seen on any board in 11 years of posting. merrily Nov 2015 #246

It's incredible to me that that post survived a jury beerandjesus Nov 2015 #253

Oh, I know very well that the juries have not been stacked in favor of Bernie for some time now. merrily Nov 2015 #264

What do you have against Jews? beerandjesus Nov 2015 #251

Yuck. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #262

So, with all the nasty posts lately - do you think it is just coincidence that the Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #373

Results: You scored a home run LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #47

OMG Skittles Nov 2015 #60

Yep Again... WillyT Nov 2015 #62

serious COWARDS Skittles Nov 2015 #78

But they're nothing at all like the Republicans, right? beerandjesus Nov 2015 #284

Right.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #347

Pay no attention to all the slaughter behind the war criminals' curtain! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #67

I think they are to bag me soon. I post all the results I am on. And it doesn't look nice most of LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #75

Well, I got one of my posts hidden yesterday... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #88

I have been over on the Discusionist and have managed to make politics/bernie be the most LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #91

I'll have to join you there... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #128

L0oNix was intrigued when I told him about the flies. The "one who shall not be named" LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #131

Why can't he be named? merrily Nov 2015 #164

Thank you jurors. 840high Nov 2015 #146

The Thing That Is Ironic ??? WillyT Nov 2015 #354

Some seem to be OK with the prospect of more. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #49

Word... WillyT Nov 2015 #121

This is Hillary's legacy as much as Bush and Cheney. Scuba Nov 2015 #90

I'll never forgive this n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #221

Well said, Manny. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #32

I agree. Well said Manny. Owl Nov 2015 #52

We really need to move on from this divisive crap about the Iraq war. Sure, Hillary voted for kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #41

She was not the only one, but she is running for POTUS!!!! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #48

Have our wounded vets "moved on"? What about the dead? winter is coming Nov 2015 #53

This is the problem I have with you people... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #64

+ 100 n/t slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #163

Maybe the principles of Democratic voters went out of style when Bush left office? merrily Nov 2015 #307

Scott Ritter weapons inspector was all over teevee before the war saying there onecaliberal Nov 2015 #98

Not this again passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #120

You have a problem with divisive crap? merrily Nov 2015 #348

Iraq War - Ted Kennedy gordyfl Nov 2015 #43

Wow. Great quote. kath Nov 2015 #158

If Only Hillary & George W Had More Sense gordyfl Nov 2015 #170

I think they both knew at least as much as Kennedy, Sanders, Byrd, Chafee, et al. merrily Nov 2015 #327

nice FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #179

Oh, wow! Oilwellian Nov 2015 #232

It tears my heart out. Aerows Nov 2015 #59

Hint: Today was brought to you by the sound bite... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #61

Or spamming endlessly Puglover Nov 2015 #214

Hillary is still unrepentent about Iraq Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #80

Who laughs at this kind of thing? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #102

Posting what I really think would end in a jury. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #109

George W. Bush & Hillary ---> "Bring it on". gordyfl Nov 2015 #174

Laughing so hard, she's rolling back & forth in her chair. Divernan Nov 2015 #201

"And hopefully we won't get to that." she says as slyly smiling lips bolster firm apple cheekbones. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #225

So fucking disgusting n/t Oilwellian Nov 2015 #236

Hahahaha! Hey, who doesn't enjoy a little "takeout" once in a while? pa28 Nov 2015 #335

More Hllarity! Like the "We came, we saw he died" video. merrily Nov 2015 #337

I could accept HRC's decision on the war if she said that it was just political expediency to do so. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #87

You could? merrily Nov 2015 #103

Politics. People vote on things that they may not want to. But she said that she supported it LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #106

You could accept I voted for unspeakable horrors, American and Iraqi, because I thought merrily Nov 2015 #112

+1 million darkangel218 Nov 2015 #123

And just because your family or friends weren't killed doesn't mean it's onecaliberal Nov 2015 #92

It's revolting, the Democratic Party has lost its way. Broward Nov 2015 #96

The same way Sanders claims to be Democratic after he voted against the Brady Bill five times and we Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #97

What a heartbreaking picture. blackspade Nov 2015 #99

+ a gazillion Live and Learn Nov 2015 #100

One of those "real decisions" was telling people there is no difference between the parties in 2000 Renew Deal Nov 2015 #115

Is this more about Gore losing in 2000 because MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #117

You're only saying that because it's the same thing you're saying in 2015 Renew Deal Nov 2015 #125

You wanna talk about "Oopsies"? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #172

As to Iraq, how much difference do you see between Bush's having done his best, given his office, to merrily Nov 2015 #350

Hillary voted for the Iraq war because New Yorkers wanted retribution for 9/11 Martin Eden Nov 2015 #127

Oddly, half of NY's Congressional delegation voted against war MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #175

And New Yorkers filled the streets to protest the war before it was launched Martin Eden Nov 2015 #199

Mind boggling isn't it? How easy it is to dismiss all those lives. And then demand that the rest of sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #139

I know, it's all Hillary's fault. Beacool Nov 2015 #142

Did someone say that? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #151

It's the endless war call for some, akin to "remember the Alamo". Beacool Nov 2015 #244

Is the war over already? How about the damage it caused? Should we vote for more Iraqs? merrily Nov 2015 #333

No, but she shouldn't have fucking voted for it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #187

It was not only the vote. Please see Reply 143. merrily Nov 2015 #241

Maybe the fact that she was the senator from NY came into play. Beacool Nov 2015 #245

What if she had said publicly that that there was no connection between 911 and Iraq? merrily Nov 2015 #315

and now she wants to be President of the entire US, so she's responsible for her vote. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #324

Damn! Is Bush running for President again right now? Is Cheney? I'm not voting for them either! merrily Nov 2015 #317

Holy Moly! ozone_man Nov 2015 #155

Iraq II wasn't an oopsie. It was a cold, calculated group of actions designed to herald in.... Raster Nov 2015 #160

Andmay I add that she has not evolved. She remains truly clueless when it comes to war. Vattel Nov 2015 #162

K&R NT Scruffy1 Nov 2015 #171

Stop talking about meaningless nonsense. We need to discuss real issues, like why Sanders rallies Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #186

It was a bad vote Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #200

In the best light, she trusted George Bush. Not exactly the quality I want in a leader. Scuba Nov 2015 #206

Yes, he was not trustworthy Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #211

My personal opinion is that she's a neo-con Republican masquerading as a Democrat. Scuba Nov 2015 #213

Somewhat. But, my personal opinion is that Dem Senators who had Presidential ambitions merrily Nov 2015 #321

Morals and ethics are quaint notions that are no longer in vogue in Washington. Scuba Nov 2015 #330

Vogue stinks. "Now, heaven knows, anything goes." I prefer classics, like, you know, principles. merrily Nov 2015 #332

Another one claiming criticizing Hillary for her war advocacy is sexism. merrily Nov 2015 #351

What on earth are you talking about? Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #353

Your posts tie allegedly sexist criticism of Hillary to perception of her vote. Good night to you 2. merrily Nov 2015 #358

Public image of Hillary HAS been shaped by right wing sexism, yes. Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #359

Agreed. 100% n/t MuseRider Nov 2015 #202

Evolution - Such An Excuse - What Is Needed Is A Revolution cantbeserious Nov 2015 #205

It is literally deranged to turn this this into a gloat over HRC's #s .... bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #207

Hope everyone VOTES for the Democratic Nominee... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #208

You said it, Manny. I don't get it either. Oopses don't get to contain an element of.... marble falls Nov 2015 #210

It wasn't a "mistake." 99Forever Nov 2015 #212

No, it wasn't a mistake. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #219

No, it was not a mistake... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #237

I have a friend who is related to Barbara Tuchman... The_Commonist Nov 2015 #215

Thank you. Excellent Op. n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #217

And thank *you*. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #226

whichever and whoever heaven05 Nov 2015 #222

Shilling? Nitram Nov 2015 #224

No, nothing like it. Amusing how some people seem to view Benghazi as a shibboleth. merrily Nov 2015 #323

On the contrary, merrily, the allusion is entirely appropriate here. Nitram Nov 2015 #360

Again, nothing like it. So far unlike it that I cannot even honestly post "nice try." merrily Nov 2015 #363

Not just "killed". Are killing, and will be killing. winter is coming Nov 2015 #230

Just imagine the pain UglyGreed Nov 2015 #231

How do you weigh in on gun control, Mannie? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #238

You could have said the same thing in 2004, but Kerry still trounced Dean in the primaries, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #240

That was not about Iraq. The media did Dean in by portraying him as insane early on. merrily Nov 2015 #242

Kerry lost pengu Nov 2015 #259

Won the primary, though (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #260

Perhaps you should take a lesson in that pengu Nov 2015 #263

The guy who opposed the war from the start lost the primary. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #265

The lesson is Iraq voting democrats don't win the general pengu Nov 2015 #266

The guy who opposed the war in 2002 won the primary against Hillary and he won the Presidency, too. merrily Nov 2015 #357

K&R avaistheone1 Nov 2015 #243

Hmm. davidthegnome Nov 2015 #249

Oh, this OP again. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #254

sorry you are inconvenienced ibegurpard Nov 2015 #292

Oh, this condescending response again. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #305

and Democrats aided and abetted. merrily Nov 2015 #355

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #255

A calculated decision HassleCat Nov 2015 #258

She didn't even bother to read the NIE Bob Graham was pushing his colleagues to read pengu Nov 2015 #261

Yes, but by the same standard BainsBane Nov 2015 #279

Hillary doesn't own the prison industrial complex? That's another Hillarious claim. merrily Nov 2015 #298

He did oppose it but voted for it because of the Violence Against Women act and assault weapons ban: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #334

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2015 #282

they can apologize if they want cvoogt Nov 2015 #303

Occam's Razor: said Democrats support war. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #306

"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too MisterP Nov 2015 #308

pathetic use of someone's pain to politicize your losing candidate Sheepshank Nov 2015 #312

That 'pain' is reality. polly7 Nov 2015 #316

A bug swatter gif is comparable to a photo of a woman lying face down on a grave grieving? Jaysus! merrily Nov 2015 #338

it's not...but the OP seems to think a bug swatter is as horrid as the life of a soldier. n/t Sheepshank Nov 2015 #339

No, the OP did not make the comparison. You did. merrily Nov 2015 #340

Manny, no amount of reality based on anything and everything Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #325

I'm with you on this one, Manny. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #326

I'm wondering why a photo of a victim of our forever, for-profit wars has suddenly become sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #341

I wonder if the usual suspects would tell that woman to her face sarge43 Nov 2015 #342

Strawman much? PBass Nov 2015 #343

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #344

Many intelligent comments about the IWR are on this thread. You opted for insults. Oh, well. merrily Nov 2015 #356

Manny.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #346

Voting to fund it, getting into bed with the weapons systems manufacturers, MADem Nov 2015 #352

This developed into a great thread. I've returned for links to posts and videos many times already. merrily Nov 2015 #365

I'm thinking of changing my name MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #366

Eh. Take a chance, sow some seeds, see what happens merrily Nov 2015 #367

K and R bigwillq Dec 2015 #369

Some people don't care about this. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #370

Farewell, Manny Electric Monk Dec 2015 #371

Re-Kick !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #372