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Chitown Kev

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25. One factor that you miss with Dukakis
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:01 AM
Nov 2015

was the LGBT vote...there are no definitive numbers on what the LGBT vote was in 1988 but the estimates that I've read (in Virtual Equality by Urvashi Vaid) were that Bush 41 may have won as much as 40% of the LGBT vote. Here's why.

An attempt by Massachusetts Gov. Michael S. Dukakis to mend troubled relations with the gay community was met Saturday with occasional hisses and boos at a public meeting that turned into a critique of the candidate's gay rights positions.

Dukakis stuck tenaciously to his views during the tense half-hour session, finally defending the Massachusetts policy that gives homosexual couples less chance to become foster parents than heterosexuals by declaring: "There is no civil right to be a foster parent."

Many in the crowd at Los Angeles' Four Seasons Hotel then hissed with displeasure, and some responded with applause when a heckler called the presidential candidate a "bigot" and "anti-gay."

The audience also appeared dismayed by Dukakis' declaration that he would not issue an executive order banning discrimination on the basis of sexual preference if he were elected President. Dukakis contended that such discrimination already is barred by the Constitution.


http://articles.latimes.com/1988-05-15/news/mn-4425_1_gay-community

Obama gets from 70% to 77% of the LGBT vote in his 2 elections.

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You pose a good question and I don't know the answer but Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #1
I certainly think that has some influence. nt sufrommich Nov 2015 #2
The McGovern debacle has affected every Democratic nomination process for 43 years. MohRokTah Nov 2015 #3
I voted for McGovern in '72 and would do so again. If Bernie is nominated I will vote for him. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #4
The McGovern Effect Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #5
Thanks. Interesting piece. onenote Nov 2015 #6
Nixon was a popular incumbent president in 1972. This year, KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #7
I'm not trying to imply McGovern and Sanders are alike. onenote Nov 2015 #9
And how many years ago was this. artislife Nov 2015 #20
Not only a popular incumbent, but a war time popular incumbent. Americans have never merrily Nov 2015 #29
Yes, of course it does, and rightly so. MineralMan Nov 2015 #8
IF there is a McGovern effect it is located more in TPTB in jwirr Nov 2015 #10
The folks I know aren't part of "TPTB" onenote Nov 2015 #11
I worked for McGovern in 72. Most people are not really that jwirr Nov 2015 #12
Good to know. onenote Nov 2015 #13
You could be right but I also think the polls are less trustworthy jwirr Nov 2015 #19
Democrats have been brainwashed into fearing liberals as part of the DLC-ization of the Party. merrily Nov 2015 #30
McGovern v. Nixon is as relevant to the 2016 election as Al Smith v. Herbert Hoover was to '72. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #14
I never once suggested that this was about "most of the electorate" onenote Nov 2015 #15
Could be. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #16
Or it could be that older voters are just more politically "wise", '72 being a slice of that Persondem Nov 2015 #17
The McGovern effect has screwed up the party since that election Armstead Nov 2015 #18
Given what the GOP is now (as opposed to 1972) Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #21
The superdelegates were introduced to prevent another McGovern from losing 49 states jfern Nov 2015 #22
Not quite, I don't think Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #23
Here's how they match up jfern Nov 2015 #24
One factor that you miss with Dukakis Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #25
I guess I should have said the same racial demographics jfern Nov 2015 #26
This is an incredible statistic here Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #28
I have made a number of posts on "the McGovern lost because he was liberal" meme. merrily Nov 2015 #27
Some historical perspective... Docreed2003 Nov 2015 #31
Yes, Democrats for Nixon, analogous to Reagan Democrats merrily Nov 2015 #35
The math in presidential elections has gotten weird theboss Nov 2015 #32
I think that the right Democrat Chitown Kev Nov 2015 #33
Indiana seems like a longshot to me even though its voting history is similar to NC's theboss Nov 2015 #34
'72 probably would have been somewhat closer had McGovern not screwed up the VP WI_DEM Nov 2015 #36
Im 100% sure Mcg or his staff asked Eagleton if there were KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #37
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