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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I continue to be utterly mystified. [View all]99Forever
(14,524 posts)212. It wasn't a "mistake."
It was a coldly calculated move that makes the ones that did it, all accessories to mass murder. Every one of those that voted for the IWR.
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yep, 5 or 6 have including our current VP (Biden) and our 2004 candidate (Kerry) and Hillary
Dem2
Nov 2015
#23
Perhaps it's not the wisest tactic to use the "they did it too so it must be okay" excuse....
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2015
#184
The media was being stenographers for Rove and was driving the narrative....
Spitfire of ATJ
Nov 2015
#192
Every Democratic Senator* who later ran for President voted for it. That is no coincidence.
merrily
Nov 2015
#45
Graham ran in '04 and Chafee, who ran this year (was a Republican back then) both voted against it
Dem2
Nov 2015
#63
No edit changed meaning except the edit to Reply 45 that I clearly identified as an edit.
merrily
Nov 2015
#110
apologetic. if that's what it takes to make her palatable then count me out. People died because she
roguevalley
Nov 2015
#189
The War supporters, the Blue Dog Democrats, are mostly gone, in case you hadn't noticed
Demeter
Nov 2015
#194
Not true. A handful in Congress did, but those of us in the rank-and-file knew better.
Scuba
Nov 2015
#81
Well then consider it a no go. She said her vote was a mistake. She needs to apologize
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#177
anyone who can try and mitigate her vote after the image posted to this thread needs to sit down
roguevalley
Nov 2015
#191
Eww, i feel dirty, hearing anyone here use Rand Paul as a viable person to quote
randys1
Nov 2015
#281
I care, my family cares. We been thru it because of that prick W. But if it turns out
randys1
Nov 2015
#283
The Iraq war and the destruction it did, is not "the same old/same old shit".
darkangel218
Nov 2015
#40
Aided and abetted. Helped sell the war to Americans, much as did Colin Powell in his UN speech.
merrily
Nov 2015
#143
You're most welcome. I've posted them before but not everyone sees every post.
merrily
Nov 2015
#161
People are still dying, we're still paying for it and can't get out, and the ME is fucked. And...
ChisolmTrailDem
Nov 2015
#272
And you think your post is substantive? Maybe some want to regurgitating the blatant
rhett o rick
Nov 2015
#178
I know what you mean, all the same old stupid arguments against Hillary.
A Simple Game
Nov 2015
#203
Well, assuming you voted Dem in '04, you already voted for someone voted for IWR.
DanTex
Nov 2015
#6
I don't think anyone hates Bernie here. Certainly not me or most Hillary supporters.
DanTex
Nov 2015
#34
Sanders wins match up polls and, if the nominee, Hillary will have no coattails at all. Next!
merrily
Nov 2015
#274
I support Sanders because he has almost always been on the right side of history. Hill has not
merrily
Nov 2015
#285
I support Hillary because I like her platform, and I think she's got the best chance vs the GOP.
DanTex
Nov 2015
#288
Her platform is a mash up of ideas of Warren/Sanders, spoiled by triangulation and 1% deference.
merrily
Nov 2015
#290
I don't see it that way. Besides, my main concern is beating the GOP. Given GOP obstruction,
DanTex
Nov 2015
#294
Now, you've circled back to electability, which I've already covered, a sign of last wordism.
merrily
Nov 2015
#296
No you did not. You're not covering my other points with anything but more conclusory claims,either.
merrily
Nov 2015
#300
You've made only unsupported claims, no analyis or links, then repeated them again and again.
merrily
Nov 2015
#302
Well, Bernie's too far left, can't raise serious money, and is highly vulnerable to
DanTex
Nov 2015
#42
Well, Clinton's too far right, raises money form corporate master and is highly vulnerable.
AlbertCat
Nov 2015
#223
And? And, no Hillary is not the best candidate. The one who voted against the war is.
merrily
Nov 2015
#55
I have a lot of faith in people evolving, maybe only because history demands it.
babylonsister
Nov 2015
#21
People who evolve because history demands it evolve way too late and are not leaders.
merrily
Nov 2015
#291
Hell of a man, I have been liberal/socialist but I still liked Byrd. A really fine speaker,
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#320
Funny thing: she coined that phrase to claim, on national TV, that the Lewinsky was a RW lie.
merrily
Nov 2015
#310
If after all the noisesome revelations about our spies, you STILL believe their "reports"
Demeter
Nov 2015
#196
She knew better. We lay Democrats even knew better. She did not even read the NIE, which was part
merrily
Nov 2015
#309
nothing like soldiers and civilians dying FOR NO REASON to get my emotions up
Skittles
Nov 2015
#104
Bernie is not against all war, nor is he against our having the best armed forces in the world.
Vattel
Nov 2015
#156
are you including people who vote to approve military appropriations....like bernie sanders does? n
msongs
Nov 2015
#12
You really consider voting for a horriffic and pointless war to be the same
MannyGoldstein
Nov 2015
#13
"Not shut down our military"? So you're saying that political calculations are okay with you.
randome
Nov 2015
#72
You think it's a political calculation to vote for funding to keep our soldiers in boots and body
Ed Suspicious
Nov 2015
#135
Say what you will, the fact remains that voting to fund a war is tantamount to supporting it.
randome
Nov 2015
#234
It was a mere political calculation to further her career. Beautiful minds need not fret....n/t
xocet
Nov 2015
#22
What does that have to do with women? Are you kidding? Every Dem that voted for that is...
Ned_Devine
Nov 2015
#68
One of the most fucking wrong posts I've ever seen on any board in 11 years of posting.
merrily
Nov 2015
#246
Oh, I know very well that the juries have not been stacked in favor of Bernie for some time now.
merrily
Nov 2015
#264
So, with all the nasty posts lately - do you think it is just coincidence that the
Douglas Carpenter
Dec 2015
#373
I think they are to bag me soon. I post all the results I am on. And it doesn't look nice most of
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#75
I have been over on the Discusionist and have managed to make politics/bernie be the most
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#91
L0oNix was intrigued when I told him about the flies. The "one who shall not be named"
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#131
We really need to move on from this divisive crap about the Iraq war. Sure, Hillary voted for
kelliekat44
Nov 2015
#41
Maybe the principles of Democratic voters went out of style when Bush left office?
merrily
Nov 2015
#307
Scott Ritter weapons inspector was all over teevee before the war saying there
onecaliberal
Nov 2015
#98
I think they both knew at least as much as Kennedy, Sanders, Byrd, Chafee, et al.
merrily
Nov 2015
#327
"And hopefully we won't get to that." she says as slyly smiling lips bolster firm apple cheekbones.
Ed Suspicious
Nov 2015
#225
I could accept HRC's decision on the war if she said that it was just political expediency to do so.
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#87
Politics. People vote on things that they may not want to. But she said that she supported it
LiberalArkie
Nov 2015
#106
You could accept I voted for unspeakable horrors, American and Iraqi, because I thought
merrily
Nov 2015
#112
The same way Sanders claims to be Democratic after he voted against the Brady Bill five times and we
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#97
One of those "real decisions" was telling people there is no difference between the parties in 2000
Renew Deal
Nov 2015
#115
As to Iraq, how much difference do you see between Bush's having done his best, given his office, to
merrily
Nov 2015
#350
Hillary voted for the Iraq war because New Yorkers wanted retribution for 9/11
Martin Eden
Nov 2015
#127
And New Yorkers filled the streets to protest the war before it was launched
Martin Eden
Nov 2015
#199
Mind boggling isn't it? How easy it is to dismiss all those lives. And then demand that the rest of
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#139
Is the war over already? How about the damage it caused? Should we vote for more Iraqs?
merrily
Nov 2015
#333
What if she had said publicly that that there was no connection between 911 and Iraq?
merrily
Nov 2015
#315
and now she wants to be President of the entire US, so she's responsible for her vote.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2015
#324
Damn! Is Bush running for President again right now? Is Cheney? I'm not voting for them either!
merrily
Nov 2015
#317
Iraq II wasn't an oopsie. It was a cold, calculated group of actions designed to herald in....
Raster
Nov 2015
#160
Andmay I add that she has not evolved. She remains truly clueless when it comes to war.
Vattel
Nov 2015
#162
Stop talking about meaningless nonsense. We need to discuss real issues, like why Sanders rallies
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2015
#186
In the best light, she trusted George Bush. Not exactly the quality I want in a leader.
Scuba
Nov 2015
#206
My personal opinion is that she's a neo-con Republican masquerading as a Democrat.
Scuba
Nov 2015
#213
Somewhat. But, my personal opinion is that Dem Senators who had Presidential ambitions
merrily
Nov 2015
#321
Vogue stinks. "Now, heaven knows, anything goes." I prefer classics, like, you know, principles.
merrily
Nov 2015
#332
Your posts tie allegedly sexist criticism of Hillary to perception of her vote. Good night to you 2.
merrily
Nov 2015
#358
It is literally deranged to turn this this into a gloat over HRC's #s ....
bread_and_roses
Nov 2015
#207
You said it, Manny. I don't get it either. Oopses don't get to contain an element of....
marble falls
Nov 2015
#210
No, nothing like it. Amusing how some people seem to view Benghazi as a shibboleth.
merrily
Nov 2015
#323
Again, nothing like it. So far unlike it that I cannot even honestly post "nice try."
merrily
Nov 2015
#363
You could have said the same thing in 2004, but Kerry still trounced Dean in the primaries,
Nye Bevan
Nov 2015
#240
That was not about Iraq. The media did Dean in by portraying him as insane early on.
merrily
Nov 2015
#242
The guy who opposed the war in 2002 won the primary against Hillary and he won the Presidency, too.
merrily
Nov 2015
#357
She didn't even bother to read the NIE Bob Graham was pushing his colleagues to read
pengu
Nov 2015
#261
Hillary doesn't own the prison industrial complex? That's another Hillarious claim.
merrily
Nov 2015
#298
He did oppose it but voted for it because of the Violence Against Women act and assault weapons ban:
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#334
"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too
MisterP
Nov 2015
#308
A bug swatter gif is comparable to a photo of a woman lying face down on a grave grieving? Jaysus!
merrily
Nov 2015
#338
it's not...but the OP seems to think a bug swatter is as horrid as the life of a soldier. n/t
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#339
I'm wondering why a photo of a victim of our forever, for-profit wars has suddenly become
sabrina 1
Nov 2015
#341
Many intelligent comments about the IWR are on this thread. You opted for insults. Oh, well.
merrily
Nov 2015
#356