2016 Postmortem

DFW

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102. I was, too, but am less so than I used to be

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:14 PM

Nov 2015

If the Republicans come up with someone that does a better job with facts and gravitas in public appearances, it might concern me more, but their field is SO weak right now that I find the race for the Democratic nomination to be pretty much as in 2008: our nomination IS the presidential election.

Of course, two caveats: this is just MY opinion, and it only goes for here and now. A LOT can change between now and next November. Hell, a lot could change between now and Iowa. So don't go running into the arms of one candidate or another just because of my spouting off. Form your own opinion and support whom you like best in the primaries. Just two things--don't let yourself be swayed by posts on DU or any other board, and vote the Democratic nominee next November, even if your pick isn't the nominee. Anyone who tells you you shouldn't vote because either 1.) it's a lost cause or 2.) it won't make a difference is either a Republican or has their head stuck straight up their ass (again--just my opinion, you understand!).

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Three things HRC supporters could do here to make things less toxic here [View all] Ken Burch Nov 2015 OP

k & r lovemydog Nov 2015 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #134

One problem with this is that the tactic will only work on Democrats eridani Nov 2015 #2

That might be true; but, it cuts against what we are told about DUer's that support Bernie ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #9

If you don't go for what you want full bore, you will never get it. eridani Nov 2015 #11

I know another guy who said that: bvar22 Nov 2015 #97

So true! Too bad Hillary is only willing to SAY she'll fight for the things her pollsters TELL her to stand for. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #154

Some are, some aren't. It's a collection of individuals /nt Armstead Nov 2015 #23

Many of the millions of people that have come forward to support Sanders are doing so rhett o rick Nov 2015 #143

Okay, and if ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #153

But those supporting Clinton are not worried about the GOP just like those that supported rhett o rick Nov 2015 #157

Are you kidding? ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #158

I think Sanders will be stronger in the General. In addition, if Clinton does win rhett o rick Nov 2015 #159

I'm sure you do ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #160

Strawman? Clinton supporters are choosing to lay with the devil of the 1%, to insure that rhett o rick Nov 2015 #161

It's called reaching out. Ever hear of it? Armstead Nov 2015 #27

I am really tired of the "reaching out" line Gman Nov 2015 #60

Obama backstabbed Progressives within 48 hours of the election: bvar22 Nov 2015 #163

Well they're not the only wing Gman Nov 2015 #164

Who said that? bvar22 Nov 2015 #165

Reaching out works fine with some Bernie supporters, Hortensis Nov 2015 #86

People are individuals Armstead Nov 2015 #94

The thing is, I don't believe there is a "narrow template" of partisan Hortensis Nov 2015 #101

Well, I think the template has gotten narrower on the core issues Armstead Nov 2015 #106

Sorry, Armstead. Deflection into another arena won't work. Hortensis Nov 2015 #107

There are jerks and hotheads in any group of people Armstead Nov 2015 #108

It's the form of the objection, Armstead, and this thread Hortensis Nov 2015 #109

I respect you, and don't want to get into a circular argument about it Armstead Nov 2015 #119

Yes. I like that idea. Have a nice evening, Armstead. Hortensis Nov 2015 #121

The double standard. artislife Nov 2015 #147

Not gonna happen...and, when Bernie wins the nomination, the next thing you know, it'll be "PUMA time, " like we saw the Hillary Brigade pull in 2008... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #156

If that's true, then how does making them feel crappy help? mythology Nov 2015 #52

That is indeed not asking much DFW Nov 2015 #3

Good post. Thanks. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #10

I completely agree, except on number #2 ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #13

This. Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #24

Saying from Day One that Bernie has a "problem" with race... Armstead Nov 2015 #30

THAT WAS NOT WHAT WAS SAID ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #33

I will have to strongly disagree Armstead Nov 2015 #45

Whoa, hold up there... Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #85

obviously, it's obvious if any just cared to look back 24 hours worth of OP's. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #95

The point is ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #98

^^This^^ sheshe2 Nov 2015 #142

Says the one who posted the two most vile OPs ever, one of which attempted to paint Bernie cui bono Nov 2015 #146

Perhaps, you should re-read what She-She wrote ... not just those 3 words; but the entire piece ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #152

The "Not good enough, Bernie" post doesn't exist? (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #72

I have seen posts opining that his communication of race issues to the Black community ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #90

Except those aren't the "Not good enough, Bernie" post. jeff47 Nov 2015 #111

Perhaps you can point me to a link (PM it if you are concerned about an alert) ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #116

Here ya go. jeff47 Nov 2015 #117

I don't think that phrase has the meaning that you are assigning to it ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #123

I'll cede that point DFW Nov 2015 #38

Bernie was singled out for attack on this Ken Burch Nov 2015 #42

Bingo. Nail on the head. /nt Armstead Nov 2015 #49

I disagree with this on many levels ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #100

I'm sure it was a temporary omission(agreed that it should have been there). Ken Burch Nov 2015 #122

Frankly, it wasn't a "temporary ommission" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #124

ALL of the Democratic candidates can still do more. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #127

What don't you understand about Bernie's being the only ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #128

He never said that economic justice would end institutional racism. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #130

I never said he said economic justice would end institutional racism or address police violence ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #151

I agree. Thanks for the post. eom BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #21

That paragraph Dem2 Nov 2015 #70

I'm basically in the same boat DFW Nov 2015 #71

Good post Gothmog Nov 2015 #89

I was, too, but am less so than I used to be DFW Nov 2015 #102

. stonecutter357 Nov 2015 #4

K&R Paka Nov 2015 #5

omg treestar Nov 2015 #6

I did a thread for Sanders supporters, too: Ken Burch Nov 2015 #8

Nothing there on the constant insults hurled at Hillary supporters here. yardwork Nov 2015 #20

This Bernie supporter will tell you that, in my opinion, most of the trouble is caused by Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #55

See there you go again ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #19

You don't have to "join the revolution"...but at least stop acting like it's a joke. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #43

It would be interesting to begin linking hateful posts about Hillary supporters to this thread. yardwork Nov 2015 #7

I never use the phrase "Hillbots". n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #15

Quite a few others do. Will you suggest they stop? yardwork Nov 2015 #17

I've twice linked to the equivalent thread I started for Sanders supporters. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #22

Tes, I have an OP or two supporting all our candidates. yardwork Nov 2015 #56

Do you have a list for Bernie supporters as well? oberliner Nov 2015 #12

Yes, I do: Ken Burch Nov 2015 #14

Cool - thanks! oberliner Nov 2015 #16

No, you don't Rose Siding Nov 2015 #47

So true. And look at the posts in that thread. yardwork Nov 2015 #63

Nice list. hootinholler Nov 2015 #65

Case in perfect point. Rose Siding Nov 2015 #68

The construct may be fictioinal hootinholler Nov 2015 #78

This welcoming Hillary's positions....is....unusual Sheepshank Nov 2015 #96

those insulting tones are not employed by Hillary Supporters hootinholler Nov 2015 #104

Twisting"I represented Wall Street" = redstateblues Nov 2015 #79

if you say so hootinholler Nov 2015 #105

#4) Indepatriot Nov 2015 #18

The "RACE-CARD" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #25

Gender Card. bravenak Nov 2015 #28

There isn't any reason to think that most Sanders supporters have an issue with HRC being a woman. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #34

I think you missed the gender card war. bravenak Nov 2015 #35

Yup. Extremely dumb. cui bono Nov 2015 #125

I do not know why certian folks think accusing women of playing the gender card is not sexist. bravenak Nov 2015 #126

Calling out someone playing victim and trivializing sexism by doing so is a feminist move. cui bono Nov 2015 #135

Hillary has been the recipient of MUCH sexism. All women are. bravenak Nov 2015 #136

So she should have known better. All women should. cui bono Nov 2015 #138

She did nothing wrong. People made themselves look sexist by reading things into her words. bravenak Nov 2015 #141

Damn straight. Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #144

I can't make any sense out of what you just said, but Hillary played the gender card and tried cui bono Nov 2015 #145

Many if not most of those supporting Bernie earlier supported Elizabeth Warren... cascadiance Nov 2015 #73

He said the hate card, not the race card. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #32

Speaking in terms of "CARDS" Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #67

Those cards were put in the deck by them rbrnmw Nov 2015 #155

Do you like to put words in other posters' mouths? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #40

You wouldn't say that to a MAN'S supporters MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #26

We have class as Hillary supporters, if the visceral remarks are halted and to have DU return Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #29

Better title: Pot meets kettle, calls it black. Darb Nov 2015 #31

Thank you! Demeter Nov 2015 #39

Maybe Sanders supporters should look in a mirror. eom MohRokTah Nov 2015 #36

"Admit Bernie is as good on racial justice issues as anyone else in the Democratic race. "... SidDithers Nov 2015 #37

Yes he is. Unlike your candidate, Bernie has never supported racist crime policies Ken Burch Nov 2015 #48

The only racism I have seen in a Democratic Primary was by the Clintons. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #59

"Bernie has never supported racist crime policies" Dem2 Nov 2015 #69

He's far, far better MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #58

Well, at least he's getting better.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #61

K and R. One of the best posts in a while. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #41

Thanks Ken blackspade Nov 2015 #44

Can't do it. #3 is a deal breaker. Although, Lil Missy Nov 2015 #46

If you prefer your candidate, that's your call. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #50

Because I don't believe for a second that Lil Missy Nov 2015 #51

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #53

I'm in the 1%? RandySF Nov 2015 #66

In the companion thread, we're called fiscal conservatives. yardwork Nov 2015 #103

Thank you for the thoughtful post 72DejaVu Nov 2015 #54

Can I give you a HUG THREE TIMES OVER for this line.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #57

Ken, too bad you put the entire onus on Clinton supporters. Nitram Nov 2015 #62

Too bad you didn't read the thread, and note the "for Sanders supporters" companion OP. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #74

They weren't posted together when I responded to this post. Nitram Nov 2015 #75

Posts have timestamps. jeff47 Nov 2015 #77

I mean, while I was browsing the DU page, the one I responded to was at near top. Nitram Nov 2015 #81

I'm just trying to understand what you were saying. jeff47 Nov 2015 #82

No, I'm not going to check to see if there's is a companion piece for every post I read. Nitram Nov 2015 #84

Too bad that thread doesn't address the vile attacks in Hillary and her supporters. yardwork Nov 2015 #93

Yes, the horrible attacks like accurately quoting her and her record. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #112

Bullshit and a deliberate lie. You know what I'm talking about. yardwork Nov 2015 #113

The one vicious, terrible smear of people who said they won't vote for a socialist jeff47 Nov 2015 #115

I'd like to say that I am very happy that Bernie's candidacy might allow me a Primary vote for a Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #64

Odd, Bernie seems to actually like people. nt artislife Nov 2015 #148

That's a friendlier list than I expected: Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #76

^^^^^^THIS DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #80

Too late. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #83

well put barbtries Nov 2015 #87

This will be much easier if the Sanders supporters could explain how he is viable in general electio Gothmog Nov 2015 #88

He is viable because he can mobilize the 63%. Hillary is not at all an inspiration to-- eridani Nov 2015 #137

And yet the polling and Predictwise does not back up your claim Gothmog Nov 2015 #139

Polling is bullshit at this stage eridani Nov 2015 #140

His lead over almost all GOP candidates is the explanation. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #150

That's how I've been posting gwheezie Nov 2015 #91

I think it's too late TSIAS Nov 2015 #92

1) He certainly has a right to run. No one has suggested he doesn't. Arkana Nov 2015 #99

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #118

But Ken, if they admit Bernie is a legitimate candidate it will be no contest. /s Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #110

One could argue.. DCBob Nov 2015 #114

I happily agree to all three ... with one caveat ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #120

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #129

Ooooo. Decisions decisions. Play or call mirt? uppityperson Nov 2015 #133

Could be that ship sailed. merrily Nov 2015 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #132

Sunk like the Lusitania. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #149

How's that been going for him? merrily Nov 2015 #162