2016 Postmortem

Sheepshank

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75. here let me explain

Fri Nov 13, 2015, 06:59 PM

Nov 2015

you're ok with Bernie voting for war in Afghanistan, because another poster had you convinved that in some cases it's justified to vote for war. Bernie's noble vote was ok and justifiable becaue of Bin Laden.

You calmed down and felt very relieved that you could support Bernie's vote in Afghanistan because it was about getting Bin Laden. Even if it meant that soldiers would get killed. You justified that war so you can avoid the problem of Bernie voting for killings.

The reality is that your justification that Bernie can go to war and not garner any of the blame for dead soldiers, is false becaues Bin Laden was never caught in Afghanistan. AND when Bin Laden was caught, it wasn't because of a war in Pakistan. A strike force, independent of any war did the job just fine....the war in Afghanistan never needed. But it Bernie's vote anyway.

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I'm even more utterly mystified [View all] Sheepshank Nov 2015 OP

Yes, that was a Skidmore Nov 2015 #1

The problem is... RobertEarl Nov 2015 #2

Even though one war is over and the other is just about over? George II Nov 2015 #3

Over??? polly7 Nov 2015 #10

You didn't read what I was responding to, someone who claimed that under Sanders the wars.... George II Nov 2015 #12

Yes, With Bernie we do expect the wars to end. Duh!! RobertEarl Nov 2015 #21

Its not that simple, reducing it to a yes/no question is disingenuous. George II Nov 2015 #27

You make it sound so easy! RobertEarl Nov 2015 #37

Sanders has said he would take military action and use drones, to think he would be able to Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #83

No, it's you who makes it sound so easy. If Sanders is elected: George II Nov 2015 #88

Did I say that? Skidmore Nov 2015 #53

AFter what just happened in Paris, I need to hear what both of them think needs to happen randys1 Nov 2015 #54

A wise man would say... RobertEarl Nov 2015 #59

I need to calm down? Wow, you will say ANYTHING wont you randys1 Nov 2015 #60

Yes. Calm down. RobertEarl Nov 2015 #63

Yes, you will say ANYTHING LOL randys1 Nov 2015 #66

Uh huh... so is this an admission that your narrative has fallen apart? Do you admit that if Bernie Squinch Nov 2015 #126

Over 100 people dead and you 840high Nov 2015 #103

Robert's above all that. Because Bernie will end all wars. Because reasons. Squinch Nov 2015 #127

I read what you wrote! nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #13

fyi, you just responded to yourself. n/t Sheepshank Nov 2015 #76

Oh crap ........ I do that a lot. polly7 Nov 2015 #81

so...what's Bernie's excuse for his votes? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #15

He voted for funding for those who were already over there for this LIE. polly7 Nov 2015 #18

He also voted for the war in Afghanistan, too. For our military that war is finally winding down... George II Nov 2015 #25

The whole world was for going into Afghanistan for the horror of 9/11. polly7 Nov 2015 #31

Again, you should be writing to the person I was responding to, who referenced the "wars"! George II Nov 2015 #43

To make this easier for you: George II Nov 2015 #45

He actually voted to go after Bin Laden but against more troops in Afghanistan later. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #38

Thanks bmus, I didn't know the specifics of his voting re Afghanistan. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #41

I supported going after him too. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #44

I have to admit, I hate war so much that I was actually against Afghanistan ... polly7 Nov 2015 #46

I understand and appreciate your stance. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #50

No, I truly do understand his vote. polly7 Nov 2015 #56

oh so you *are* for justified killing, you are the one to determine the justification? wow Sheepshank Nov 2015 #52

I have no idea wtf you just said. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #58

I don't either. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #62

Strangest damned thing I've seen all day. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #65

Bernie Derangement Syndrome. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #72

here let me explain Sheepshank Nov 2015 #75

I know where the fuck he was caught. polly7 Nov 2015 #79

You clearly fawned all over the post saying Bernie's vote was ok because of OBL Sheepshank Nov 2015 #99

That's all you've got??? polly7 Nov 2015 #100

+1000 sheshe2 Nov 2015 #112

They're counting on that...Lots of good info ^... AzDar Nov 2015 #90

justification for a vote for war, because war was the only way to get Bin Laden? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #70

If the deaths from the war in Afghanistan upset you so much why are you supporting Hillary? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #74

You really should skip trying to interpret people's motivations...you are really really bad at it. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #104

"You really should skip trying to interpret people's motivations" beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #105

The war in Afghanistan did not kill Bin Laden, it was never needed and Sheepshank Nov 2015 #78

Nice try but you don't get to make up your own facts. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #82

Bin Laden was in Afghanistan in 2001 when Bernie voted for the AUMF. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #84

Bernie's votes were the correct ones. he doesn't need an excuse. Vattel Nov 2015 #101

It's been 'just about over' for years AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #121

According to the person that I responded to (did you follow the discussion?) if Sanders is elected.. George II Nov 2015 #123

If you believe that then Skidmore Nov 2015 #4

Thanks for your support RobertEarl Nov 2015 #16

My, that was mature. Skidmore Nov 2015 #57

does not negate the hypocricy of blame. Sheepshank Nov 2015 #6

She's a well known warmonger. RobertEarl Nov 2015 #17

I hear a lot of anti Hillary pressing that meme...not buying it Sheepshank Nov 2015 #61

How long will this lie circulate? passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #93

Well done! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #95

It is one thing to fight a war zalinda Nov 2015 #97

The future is unseen. Iliyah Nov 2015 #19

And I'm beyond mystified that Hillary didn't listen to Dick Cheney warn of the dangers in Iraq Fumesucker Nov 2015 #5

So what excuse did Bernie have for his votes? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #8

ask and it shall be given passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #96

And.. trumad Nov 2015 #7

Iraq was bullshit ibegurpard Nov 2015 #9

What was Bernie's bullshit excuse? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #11

Bernie voted against Iraq ibegurpard Nov 2015 #24

Your excuses for Bernie fails the no war purity test Sheepshank Nov 2015 #106

Bin Laden attacked us, Saddam Hussein didn't. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #107

I'm utterly mystified that people are more offended by pictures than the war itself. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #14

Dip, dodge, dive. I have my own standards of what picture should be displayed.... Sheepshank Nov 2015 #22

Nope, calling HC supporters on their exploitation of gun deaths is none of the above. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #30

if anyone is defelcting a war vote its you. Bernie voted for a war that acheived nothing Sheepshank Nov 2015 #80

You are supporting a hawk who laughs at the thought of war and killing: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #86

Over used clips about Hillary, doesn't stop Bernie from also being a warhawk Sheepshank Nov 2015 #108

You support a war hawk and are complaining about Bernie's votes? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #109

Al Qaeda was hammered in Afghanistan. Vattel Nov 2015 #102

Do you want to talk about gun violence and Skidmore Nov 2015 #29

Sure. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #32

gun manufacturers aren't liable ibegurpard Nov 2015 #33

just like tobacco manufacturers shouldn't be liable Sheepshank Nov 2015 #42

No lies about guns. ibegurpard Nov 2015 #47

Bernie Derangement Syndrome. beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #64

the false narrative that only good people with guns....... Sheepshank Nov 2015 #69

K&R mcar Nov 2015 #20

It's not mystifying, not really ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #23

Let's not also forget the people that died because of gun violence William769 Nov 2015 #26

How many people died because of his vote? beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #35

true Sheepshank Nov 2015 #49

Speaking of utter bs, no one said Hillary murdered that woman's loved one. merrily Nov 2015 #28

It was implied. nt sheshe2 Nov 2015 #114

Bull puckies. merrily Nov 2015 #116

Thank you sheshe2 Nov 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #34

Thanks for the heads up Sheepshank Nov 2015 #110

No prob. Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #113

Shows how they callously used her as a prop. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #36

High priests of liberalism? As opposed to DU's high priests of conservatism on the other hand? Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #91

When I replied to that OP ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #39

Yes, said he wished McCain had beaten Obama. Yes on every single solitary other thing you said in Number23 Nov 2015 #55

The OP was edited ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #68

Yeah ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #118

Sorry. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #40

Oh Manny they just don't get it Kalidurga Nov 2015 #51

Vietnam protesting Hillary? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #71

Yep Kalidurga Nov 2015 #73

Results Segami Nov 2015 #77

Thanks for the heads up MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #98

You shouldn't be mystified, you should think about why so many Dems don't want Hillary. reformist2 Nov 2015 #48

lmao its not even the same bro. XD n/t retrowire Nov 2015 #67

Thank you for the post. riversedge Nov 2015 #85

I did not know all those details. What a sad situation for the woman who was grieving. n/t freshwest Nov 2015 #87

One war was necessary, ejbr Nov 2015 #89

OMFG Skittles Nov 2015 #92

Threads Like This... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #94

Justifying some deaths but not others Sheepshank Nov 2015 #111

KnR for exposure. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #115

Thanks for exposing the hypocrisy and the R B Garr Nov 2015 #119

I already know who these people are.. it says everything about them and absolutely Cha Nov 2015 #120

Not all Democrats are running for president. The last time we ran someone who voted for-- eridani Nov 2015 #122

Thank you Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #124

It really wasn't all that hard to find the info...the other op has become predictable Sheepshank Nov 2015 #125

So true. nt Bobbie Jo Nov 2015 #128

KICK Cha Nov 2015 #129

Did Bernie ever vote to get us INTO a quagmire war as Clinton did? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #130

You don't see Afghanistan and funding Iraq quagmires? Sheepshank Nov 2015 #131

I said get us INTO... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #132

Not a big difference, quibbling over words. Nt Sheepshank Nov 2015 #133

Massive difference. Its like Clinton is a bad surgeon.. Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #134