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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: I'm even more utterly mystified [View all]beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)95. Well done!
The Bush administration, backed by a Republican-controlled House and Senate, made a nasty habit of funding its disastrous occupation of Iraq on an emergency basis in order to minimize Congressional scrutiny, circumvent legal limits on the federal governments debt ceiling, and understate the true cost of the war. The first time Sanders voted yea to an Iraq war spending bill came in 2006 when the bill included funding for Hurricane Katrina relief efforts. The second time he voted yea was when an amendment he inserted into the bill giving a $1 million grant to the Vermont Department of Veterans Affairs (the VA) to help returning veterans cope with their health care and mental health needs upon returning home. The third time he voted yea was when the legislation incorporated a massive expansion of G.I. Bill benefits that Sanders co-sponsored and the Bush administration opposed guaranteeing full scholarships to veterans, including activated National Guard troops and reservists, with three years of service attending any public, in-state university and expanded benefits for students at private colleges and for graduate schools. The last time he voted yea was when he gave his consent, along with the entire U.S. Senate, to fund the Iraq wars end as President Barack Obama removed all U.S. troops from the country.
So is it correct to say that Sanders voted in favor of authorizing funds for the Iraq war? Yes it is.
But it is equally correct to say the exact opposite: Sanders voted against authorizing funds for the Iraq war.
The point here is this: whenever you come across an article that makes some visceral, outrageous claim about something Bernie Sanders allegedly did or said, dont jump to any hard and fast conclusions for or against him without first studying what he did and why. Then and only then can a sound political judgment be made.
Perhaps the most important metric for assessing whether these votes were right or wrong is to figure out how many living, breathing veterans would he have helped by voting against war funding bills that contained pro-veteran amendments? The answer is zero. And so while peace activists are lining up to condemn his campaign, veterans are lining up to join it.
So is it correct to say that Sanders voted in favor of authorizing funds for the Iraq war? Yes it is.
But it is equally correct to say the exact opposite: Sanders voted against authorizing funds for the Iraq war.
The point here is this: whenever you come across an article that makes some visceral, outrageous claim about something Bernie Sanders allegedly did or said, dont jump to any hard and fast conclusions for or against him without first studying what he did and why. Then and only then can a sound political judgment be made.
Perhaps the most important metric for assessing whether these votes were right or wrong is to figure out how many living, breathing veterans would he have helped by voting against war funding bills that contained pro-veteran amendments? The answer is zero. And so while peace activists are lining up to condemn his campaign, veterans are lining up to join it.
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You didn't read what I was responding to, someone who claimed that under Sanders the wars....
George II
Nov 2015
#12
Sanders has said he would take military action and use drones, to think he would be able to
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#83
AFter what just happened in Paris, I need to hear what both of them think needs to happen
randys1
Nov 2015
#54
Uh huh... so is this an admission that your narrative has fallen apart? Do you admit that if Bernie
Squinch
Nov 2015
#126
He also voted for the war in Afghanistan, too. For our military that war is finally winding down...
George II
Nov 2015
#25
Again, you should be writing to the person I was responding to, who referenced the "wars"!
George II
Nov 2015
#43
He actually voted to go after Bin Laden but against more troops in Afghanistan later.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#38
oh so you *are* for justified killing, you are the one to determine the justification? wow
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#52
You clearly fawned all over the post saying Bernie's vote was ok because of OBL
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#99
justification for a vote for war, because war was the only way to get Bin Laden?
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#70
If the deaths from the war in Afghanistan upset you so much why are you supporting Hillary?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#74
You really should skip trying to interpret people's motivations...you are really really bad at it.
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#104
Bin Laden was in Afghanistan in 2001 when Bernie voted for the AUMF.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#84
According to the person that I responded to (did you follow the discussion?) if Sanders is elected..
George II
Nov 2015
#123
And I'm beyond mystified that Hillary didn't listen to Dick Cheney warn of the dangers in Iraq
Fumesucker
Nov 2015
#5
I'm utterly mystified that people are more offended by pictures than the war itself.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#14
Dip, dodge, dive. I have my own standards of what picture should be displayed....
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#22
Nope, calling HC supporters on their exploitation of gun deaths is none of the above.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#30
if anyone is defelcting a war vote its you. Bernie voted for a war that acheived nothing
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#80
You are supporting a hawk who laughs at the thought of war and killing:
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#86
Over used clips about Hillary, doesn't stop Bernie from also being a warhawk
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#108
High priests of liberalism? As opposed to DU's high priests of conservatism on the other hand?
Ed Suspicious
Nov 2015
#91
Yes, said he wished McCain had beaten Obama. Yes on every single solitary other thing you said in
Number23
Nov 2015
#55
You shouldn't be mystified, you should think about why so many Dems don't want Hillary.
reformist2
Nov 2015
#48
I did not know all those details. What a sad situation for the woman who was grieving. n/t
freshwest
Nov 2015
#87
I already know who these people are.. it says everything about them and absolutely
Cha
Nov 2015
#120
Not all Democrats are running for president. The last time we ran someone who voted for--
eridani
Nov 2015
#122
It really wasn't all that hard to find the info...the other op has become predictable
Sheepshank
Nov 2015
#125