2016 Postmortem

Nonhlanhla

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359. Public image of Hillary HAS been shaped by right wing sexism, yes.

Sat Nov 14, 2015, 07:36 AM

Nov 2015

Yes, I tied the public image of Hillary as mean, cold hearted, ruthless woman who will kill people out of sheer ambition, to decades-old sexist attacks on Hillary. Do you really want to dispute that?

I then said that I refuse to buy into that image of her when I look at her war vote. I DO criticize her war vote, but I am not willing to simply assume certain nefarious motivations on her side, because I realize that any such assumptions I might make will probably be shaped by the public image of her as ruthless, which comes from decades of right wing smears. Therefore I am going to start with the assumption that she was thoughtful about the vote, even though I think she was wrong. Just as I'm going to assume that Bernie was thoughtful with regards to his votes on crime or guns, even though I think he's wrong, since I'm not going to start with the assumption that he is badly-motivated.

I therefore adopt a stance of neutrality with regards to both of our front runners, and am willing to give BOTH of them the benefit of the doubt with regards to motivation even when I disagree with their votes.

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I continue to be utterly mystified. [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 OP

A lot of Democrats supported the IWR Dem2 Nov 2015 #1

She hasn't apologized. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #2

Senate Democratic 29 for 21 against Dem2 Nov 2015 #8

The folks who wanted to run for President MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #10

yep, 5 or 6 have including our current VP (Biden) and our 2004 candidate (Kerry) and Hillary Dem2 Nov 2015 #23

Do you REALLY want to associate Hillary with Lieberman? Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #33

I hate Lieberman's guts Dem2 Nov 2015 #37

Perhaps it's not the wisest tactic to use the "they did it too so it must be okay" excuse.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #184

so what. not mitigation at all roguevalley Nov 2015 #190

The media was being stenographers for Rove and was driving the narrative.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #192

Every Democratic Senator* who later ran for President voted for it. That is no coincidence. merrily Nov 2015 #45

Graham ran in '04 and Chafee, who ran this year (was a Republican back then) both voted against it Dem2 Nov 2015 #63

I should have specified Democrats. merrily Nov 2015 #65

True, but was providing info Dem2 Nov 2015 #69

From an omission you're going to assume an argument? merrily Nov 2015 #77

Well, OK Dem2 Nov 2015 #82

Thanks for your replies to my post 45. merrily Nov 2015 #83

Yes, I see the edits to your posts Dem2 Nov 2015 #95

No edit changed meaning except the edit to Reply 45 that I clearly identified as an edit. merrily Nov 2015 #110

I would have replied differently Dem2 Nov 2015 #124

Please. merrily Nov 2015 #126

I'm sorry, that's next door. This is abuse. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #93

LOL! redwitch Nov 2015 #293

"Flying Fox of The Yard!??!?" hatrack Nov 2015 #318

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Nov 2015 #122

Every Democrat who voted for it and ran for President, lost. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #188

Enough Democrats voted no in the House that most Democrats in Congress voted no jfern Nov 2015 #27

apologetic. if that's what it takes to make her palatable then count me out. People died because she roguevalley Nov 2015 #189

actually, if the media is controlled, then it is mitigated. Kokonoe Nov 2015 #311

This is part of a bigger issue, that of the US Congress, particularly PatrickforO Nov 2015 #336

She was trying to buff up her national security credentials KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #361

The War supporters, the Blue Dog Democrats, are mostly gone, in case you hadn't noticed Demeter Nov 2015 #194

What was the Democratic House vote? Oilwellian Nov 2015 #216

Here is the list: bvar22 Nov 2015 #239

Not true. A handful in Congress did, but those of us in the rank-and-file knew better. Scuba Nov 2015 #81

Well then consider it a no go. She said her vote was a mistake. She needs to apologize rhett o rick Nov 2015 #177

Most Democrats (and Bernie) voted AGAINST the IWR. bvar22 Nov 2015 #322

The picture is for Afghanistan war vet Sheepshank Nov 2015 #331

I wish I was mystified ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #3

So we'll put you down for an 'oopsie' MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #4

I think you can put it down as a free pass for enabling the Bush Admin Hydra Nov 2015 #14

anyone who can try and mitigate her vote after the image posted to this thread needs to sit down roguevalley Nov 2015 #191

Actually, you can put me down for a "got it". NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #51

Excellent barometer, sheshe2 Nov 2015 #73

Or maybe you can read this. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #248

Awww, so bored with DU ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #287

What happens if Bernie isnt the nominee? Which candidate will best represent randys1 Nov 2015 #280

stuck in our craws, values. reddread Nov 2015 #16

rand paul is right.. DianeK Nov 2015 #18

Fuck Rand Paul. n/t JTFrog Nov 2015 #30

I agree, but he was right on that one. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #38

+1 million geardaddy Nov 2015 #233

Rand Paul is a shill for the corporations! n/t RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #50

Yeah, Rand Paul ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #54

Rand Paul can suck my dick. Codeine Nov 2015 #79

I think he'd be horribly inept at it, myself. He doesn't seem to be a very msanthrope Nov 2015 #198

Eww, i feel dirty, hearing anyone here use Rand Paul as a viable person to quote randys1 Nov 2015 #281

the same old/same old shit. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #28

I care, my family cares. We been thru it because of that prick W. But if it turns out randys1 Nov 2015 #283

I didn't need the sarcasm thingie did I? AlbertCat Nov 2015 #304

Shows you how twisted things are around here, sorry. randys1 Nov 2015 #313

The Iraq war and the destruction it did, is not "the same old/same old shit". darkangel218 Nov 2015 #40

And she calls Bernie supporters "cultists" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #89

They always project, thats what they do. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #94

And it is not over by any means. zeemike Nov 2015 #113

No, of course it's not anywhere near over. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #116

Could it be Andy823 Nov 2015 #70

Oh, no, I can't believe that would be the case. NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #85

Yeah, same old shit. Agony Nov 2015 #74

Aided and abetted. Helped sell the war to Americans, much as did Colin Powell in his UN speech. merrily Nov 2015 #143

very good points. Thanks for this post. kath Nov 2015 #159

You're most welcome. I've posted them before but not everyone sees every post. merrily Nov 2015 #161

Yes ........... this. ! nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #270

Did her vote stop being true? Kalidurga Nov 2015 #141

And posting about it on DU ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #250

Yea, but did you know about this? ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #267

+1,000,000 nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #268

Well, according to DU ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #271

People are still dying, we're still paying for it and can't get out, and the ME is fucked. And... ChisolmTrailDem Nov 2015 #272

And you think your post is substantive? Maybe some want to regurgitating the blatant rhett o rick Nov 2015 #178

I know what you mean, all the same old stupid arguments against Hillary. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #203

BOOM! merrily Nov 2015 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #247

3 letter word = oil Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #5

3 letter word sheshe2 Nov 2015 #180

Two words: logical fallacy beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #197

Only one? merrily Nov 2015 #273

Well, assuming you voted Dem in '04, you already voted for someone voted for IWR. DanTex Nov 2015 #6

Dean? n/t Wilms Nov 2015 #9

Letting the GOP win the presidency DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #24

I don't think anyone hates Bernie here. Certainly not me or most Hillary supporters. DanTex Nov 2015 #34

an honest answer DonCoquixote Nov 2015 #173

Sanders wins match up polls and, if the nominee, Hillary will have no coattails at all. Next! merrily Nov 2015 #274

Yeah, I know the talking points, I just don't believe them. DanTex Nov 2015 #276

Right back at you, DanTex. merrily Nov 2015 #277

I guess that explains why we support different candidates. DanTex Nov 2015 #278

I support Sanders because he has almost always been on the right side of history. Hill has not merrily Nov 2015 #285

I support Hillary because I like her platform, and I think she's got the best chance vs the GOP. DanTex Nov 2015 #288

Her platform is a mash up of ideas of Warren/Sanders, spoiled by triangulation and 1% deference. merrily Nov 2015 #290

I don't see it that way. Besides, my main concern is beating the GOP. Given GOP obstruction, DanTex Nov 2015 #294

Now, you've circled back to electability, which I've already covered, a sign of last wordism. merrily Nov 2015 #296

And I covered your coverage, by noting that I disagreed with your assessment. DanTex Nov 2015 #297

No you did not. You're not covering my other points with anything but more conclusory claims,either. merrily Nov 2015 #300

Yes, I did. We simply have a difference of opinion. It happens all the time. DanTex Nov 2015 #301

You've made only unsupported claims, no analyis or links, then repeated them again and again. merrily Nov 2015 #302

Hillary is the best candidate in the race. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #31

At beating the GOP in the general. DanTex Nov 2015 #35

At beating the GOP in the general. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #39

Well, Bernie's too far left, can't raise serious money, and is highly vulnerable to DanTex Nov 2015 #42

Well, Clinton's too far right, raises money form corporate master and is highly vulnerable. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #223

She has zero appeal for the 63% of alienated voters eridani Nov 2015 #193

And? And, no Hillary is not the best candidate. The one who voted against the war is. merrily Nov 2015 #55

She came, she voted, they died. reformist2 Nov 2015 #7

...+1 840high Nov 2015 #138

Yeah, that little turn of phrase still grates in my gizzard, too Demeter Nov 2015 #195

Much more than just a vote--though the vote would have been bad enough. merrily Nov 2015 #269

+1 Hepburn Nov 2015 #328

+Infinity - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #362

+1 merrily Dec 2015 #368

Drama, a la stirring the masses. babylonsister Nov 2015 #11

Who? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #15

I have a lot of faith in people evolving, maybe only because history demands it. babylonsister Nov 2015 #21

+1000 sheshe2 Nov 2015 #29

Personally, I would rather see them RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #57

People who evolve because history demands it evolve way too late and are not leaders. merrily Nov 2015 #291

I've never seen that "we came, we saw..." clip before. That was disturbing Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #56

Yes it is creepy. dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #136

Oh, come on. It's Hillarious! merrily Nov 2015 #289

I do not completely fault her Jarqui Nov 2015 #105

In 1998, Hillary complained about a "vast right-wing conspiracy" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #118

Nice that you babylonsister Nov 2015 #130

It was undoubtedly one of the finest speeches Sen. Byrd had ever given Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #133

This one? LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #148

Yeah, that's the one Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #149

I had not heard that speech passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #314

Hell of a man, I have been liberal/socialist but I still liked Byrd. A really fine speaker, LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #320

Roughly 216 million Americans (72%) didn't know that in early 2003 Jarqui Nov 2015 #147

To a lot of us, it was too obvious Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #154

To too many, it wasn't too obvious Jarqui Nov 2015 #209

It wasn't just "stealing an election" Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #220

In the 60s, I was kind of independently minded. Jarqui Nov 2015 #229

It was spelled out long before Bush got into office. polly7 Nov 2015 #218

My boss in Japan at the time (RIP) Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #227

He was a smart man for being so incredulous. polly7 Nov 2015 #228

My boss was a really good man Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #319

very moving post, feeling it navarth Nov 2015 #349

Thank you for your kind words Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #364

Funny thing: she coined that phrase to claim, on national TV, that the Lewinsky was a RW lie. merrily Nov 2015 #310

Ummm Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #165

In 1998 the criminals behind the Iraq War LibDemAlways Nov 2015 #183

If after all the noisesome revelations about our spies, you STILL believe their "reports" Demeter Nov 2015 #196

She could have taken the word of the sitting Vice President Fumesucker Nov 2015 #204

She knew better. We lay Democrats even knew better. She did not even read the NIE, which was part merrily Nov 2015 #309

Hillarious! merrily Nov 2015 #275

EVOLVING? Skittles Nov 2015 #19

This, exactly mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #44

what kills me is Skittles Nov 2015 #58

Yeah, I don't buy that she believed them mindwalker_i Nov 2015 #168

Outrage is great but too bad. babylonsister Nov 2015 #66

OMG WTF Skittles Nov 2015 #76

Ha! Bye. But I babylonsister Nov 2015 #86

nothing like soldiers and civilians dying FOR NO REASON to get my emotions up Skittles Nov 2015 #104

Just know I love you, and my intent wasn't to piss you off. babylonsister Nov 2015 #107

Why are F35s being embraced sheshe2 Nov 2015 #145

He voted for a bill to specifically fund the F35? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #153

For the man that never has a link. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #157

I don't post links, huh? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #166

Bernie is not against all war, nor is he against our having the best armed forces in the world. Vattel Nov 2015 #156

xactly 840high Nov 2015 #140

I agree Old Codger Nov 2015 #20

The whole country did treestar Nov 2015 #286

are you including people who vote to approve military appropriations....like bernie sanders does? n msongs Nov 2015 #12

You really consider voting for a horriffic and pointless war to be the same MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #13

"Not shut down our military"? So you're saying that political calculations are okay with you. randome Nov 2015 #72

You think it's a political calculation to vote for funding to keep our soldiers in boots and body Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #135

Say what you will, the fact remains that voting to fund a war is tantamount to supporting it. randome Nov 2015 #234

You sound just like this guy: polly7 Nov 2015 #235

My comment was about the politics. randome Nov 2015 #252

Oh what a load. polly7 Nov 2015 #256

I know Iraq was planned. It was a horror-show. I'd say it was a war crime. randome Nov 2015 #295

He 'couldn't' scale back ANYTHING. polly7 Nov 2015 #299

people who can excuse the IWR vote make me sick Skittles Nov 2015 #17

Same here. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #36

Amen. n/t Hepburn Nov 2015 #329

It was a mere political calculation to further her career. Beautiful minds need not fret....n/t xocet Nov 2015 #22

Of course it was. 840high Nov 2015 #144

And politics. moondust Nov 2015 #25

Yep... WillyT Nov 2015 #26

How divisive and hypocritical. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #46

What does that have to do with women? Are you kidding? Every Dem that voted for that is... Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #68

Read the OP Ned about shilling''' sheshe2 Nov 2015 #101

Clearly, war-haters are misogynists MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #108

Zactly Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #111

Time for us both to come clean MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #114

Hey man, that's top secret bro stuff. Don't let that cat out of the bag! Ned_Devine Nov 2015 #132

What is clear is you have no problem with F35's in Vermont. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #134

Really? That's all you got? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #137

Well sheshe2 Nov 2015 #167

"the F-35, which, by the way, has been incredibly wasteful" MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #176

Yes I have read many articles about it sheshe2 Nov 2015 #181

Your post is a non-sequitor MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #182

No sheshe2 Nov 2015 #185

Yeah it's just Bernie voting for the F-35 neverforget Nov 2015 #169

That's 16 states druidity33 Nov 2015 #345

I'm Blaming ALL OF US For Those Images WillyT Nov 2015 #71

Possibly the most perfect statement ever made on DU MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #119

Thanks Manny... WillyT Nov 2015 #129

Yer Welcome! MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #150

One of the most fucking wrong posts I've ever seen on any board in 11 years of posting. merrily Nov 2015 #246

It's incredible to me that that post survived a jury beerandjesus Nov 2015 #253

Oh, I know very well that the juries have not been stacked in favor of Bernie for some time now. merrily Nov 2015 #264

What do you have against Jews? beerandjesus Nov 2015 #251

Yuck. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #262

So, with all the nasty posts lately - do you think it is just coincidence that the Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #373

Results: You scored a home run LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #47

OMG Skittles Nov 2015 #60

Yep Again... WillyT Nov 2015 #62

serious COWARDS Skittles Nov 2015 #78

But they're nothing at all like the Republicans, right? beerandjesus Nov 2015 #284

Right.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #347

Pay no attention to all the slaughter behind the war criminals' curtain! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #67

I think they are to bag me soon. I post all the results I am on. And it doesn't look nice most of LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #75

Well, I got one of my posts hidden yesterday... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #88

I have been over on the Discusionist and have managed to make politics/bernie be the most LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #91

I'll have to join you there... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #128

L0oNix was intrigued when I told him about the flies. The "one who shall not be named" LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #131

Why can't he be named? merrily Nov 2015 #164

Thank you jurors. 840high Nov 2015 #146

The Thing That Is Ironic ??? WillyT Nov 2015 #354

Some seem to be OK with the prospect of more. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #49

Word... WillyT Nov 2015 #121

This is Hillary's legacy as much as Bush and Cheney. Scuba Nov 2015 #90

I'll never forgive this n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #221

Well said, Manny. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #32

I agree. Well said Manny. Owl Nov 2015 #52

We really need to move on from this divisive crap about the Iraq war. Sure, Hillary voted for kelliekat44 Nov 2015 #41

She was not the only one, but she is running for POTUS!!!! darkangel218 Nov 2015 #48

Have our wounded vets "moved on"? What about the dead? winter is coming Nov 2015 #53

This is the problem I have with you people... Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #64

+ 100 n/t slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #163

Maybe the principles of Democratic voters went out of style when Bush left office? merrily Nov 2015 #307

Scott Ritter weapons inspector was all over teevee before the war saying there onecaliberal Nov 2015 #98

Not this again passiveporcupine Nov 2015 #120

You have a problem with divisive crap? merrily Nov 2015 #348

Iraq War - Ted Kennedy gordyfl Nov 2015 #43

Wow. Great quote. kath Nov 2015 #158

If Only Hillary & George W Had More Sense gordyfl Nov 2015 #170

I think they both knew at least as much as Kennedy, Sanders, Byrd, Chafee, et al. merrily Nov 2015 #327

nice FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #179

Oh, wow! Oilwellian Nov 2015 #232

It tears my heart out. Aerows Nov 2015 #59

Hint: Today was brought to you by the sound bite... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #61

Or spamming endlessly Puglover Nov 2015 #214

Hillary is still unrepentent about Iraq Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #80

Who laughs at this kind of thing? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #102

Posting what I really think would end in a jury. Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #109

George W. Bush & Hillary ---> "Bring it on". gordyfl Nov 2015 #174

Laughing so hard, she's rolling back & forth in her chair. Divernan Nov 2015 #201

"And hopefully we won't get to that." she says as slyly smiling lips bolster firm apple cheekbones. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #225

So fucking disgusting n/t Oilwellian Nov 2015 #236

Hahahaha! Hey, who doesn't enjoy a little "takeout" once in a while? pa28 Nov 2015 #335

More Hllarity! Like the "We came, we saw he died" video. merrily Nov 2015 #337

I could accept HRC's decision on the war if she said that it was just political expediency to do so. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #87

You could? merrily Nov 2015 #103

Politics. People vote on things that they may not want to. But she said that she supported it LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #106

You could accept I voted for unspeakable horrors, American and Iraqi, because I thought merrily Nov 2015 #112

+1 million darkangel218 Nov 2015 #123

And just because your family or friends weren't killed doesn't mean it's onecaliberal Nov 2015 #92

It's revolting, the Democratic Party has lost its way. Broward Nov 2015 #96

The same way Sanders claims to be Democratic after he voted against the Brady Bill five times and we Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #97

What a heartbreaking picture. blackspade Nov 2015 #99

+ a gazillion Live and Learn Nov 2015 #100

One of those "real decisions" was telling people there is no difference between the parties in 2000 Renew Deal Nov 2015 #115

Is this more about Gore losing in 2000 because MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #117

You're only saying that because it's the same thing you're saying in 2015 Renew Deal Nov 2015 #125

You wanna talk about "Oopsies"? Fumesucker Nov 2015 #172

As to Iraq, how much difference do you see between Bush's having done his best, given his office, to merrily Nov 2015 #350

Hillary voted for the Iraq war because New Yorkers wanted retribution for 9/11 Martin Eden Nov 2015 #127

Oddly, half of NY's Congressional delegation voted against war MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #175

And New Yorkers filled the streets to protest the war before it was launched Martin Eden Nov 2015 #199

Mind boggling isn't it? How easy it is to dismiss all those lives. And then demand that the rest of sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #139

I know, it's all Hillary's fault. Beacool Nov 2015 #142

Did someone say that? MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #151

It's the endless war call for some, akin to "remember the Alamo". Beacool Nov 2015 #244

Is the war over already? How about the damage it caused? Should we vote for more Iraqs? merrily Nov 2015 #333

No, but she shouldn't have fucking voted for it. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #187

It was not only the vote. Please see Reply 143. merrily Nov 2015 #241

Maybe the fact that she was the senator from NY came into play. Beacool Nov 2015 #245

What if she had said publicly that that there was no connection between 911 and Iraq? merrily Nov 2015 #315

and now she wants to be President of the entire US, so she's responsible for her vote. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #324

Damn! Is Bush running for President again right now? Is Cheney? I'm not voting for them either! merrily Nov 2015 #317

Holy Moly! ozone_man Nov 2015 #155

Iraq II wasn't an oopsie. It was a cold, calculated group of actions designed to herald in.... Raster Nov 2015 #160

Andmay I add that she has not evolved. She remains truly clueless when it comes to war. Vattel Nov 2015 #162

K&R NT Scruffy1 Nov 2015 #171

Stop talking about meaningless nonsense. We need to discuss real issues, like why Sanders rallies Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #186

It was a bad vote Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #200

In the best light, she trusted George Bush. Not exactly the quality I want in a leader. Scuba Nov 2015 #206

Yes, he was not trustworthy Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #211

My personal opinion is that she's a neo-con Republican masquerading as a Democrat. Scuba Nov 2015 #213

Somewhat. But, my personal opinion is that Dem Senators who had Presidential ambitions merrily Nov 2015 #321

Morals and ethics are quaint notions that are no longer in vogue in Washington. Scuba Nov 2015 #330

Vogue stinks. "Now, heaven knows, anything goes." I prefer classics, like, you know, principles. merrily Nov 2015 #332

Another one claiming criticizing Hillary for her war advocacy is sexism. merrily Nov 2015 #351

What on earth are you talking about? Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #353

Your posts tie allegedly sexist criticism of Hillary to perception of her vote. Good night to you 2. merrily Nov 2015 #358

Public image of Hillary HAS been shaped by right wing sexism, yes. Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #359

Agreed. 100% n/t MuseRider Nov 2015 #202

Evolution - Such An Excuse - What Is Needed Is A Revolution cantbeserious Nov 2015 #205

It is literally deranged to turn this this into a gloat over HRC's #s .... bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #207

Hope everyone VOTES for the Democratic Nominee... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #208

You said it, Manny. I don't get it either. Oopses don't get to contain an element of.... marble falls Nov 2015 #210

It wasn't a "mistake." 99Forever Nov 2015 #212

No, it wasn't a mistake. nt. polly7 Nov 2015 #219

No, it was not a mistake... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #237

I have a friend who is related to Barbara Tuchman... The_Commonist Nov 2015 #215

Thank you. Excellent Op. n/t Catherina Nov 2015 #217

And thank *you*. MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #226

whichever and whoever heaven05 Nov 2015 #222

Shilling? Nitram Nov 2015 #224

No, nothing like it. Amusing how some people seem to view Benghazi as a shibboleth. merrily Nov 2015 #323

On the contrary, merrily, the allusion is entirely appropriate here. Nitram Nov 2015 #360

Again, nothing like it. So far unlike it that I cannot even honestly post "nice try." merrily Nov 2015 #363

Not just "killed". Are killing, and will be killing. winter is coming Nov 2015 #230

Just imagine the pain UglyGreed Nov 2015 #231

How do you weigh in on gun control, Mannie? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #238

You could have said the same thing in 2004, but Kerry still trounced Dean in the primaries, Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #240

That was not about Iraq. The media did Dean in by portraying him as insane early on. merrily Nov 2015 #242

Kerry lost pengu Nov 2015 #259

Won the primary, though (nt) Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #260

Perhaps you should take a lesson in that pengu Nov 2015 #263

The guy who opposed the war from the start lost the primary. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #265

The lesson is Iraq voting democrats don't win the general pengu Nov 2015 #266

The guy who opposed the war in 2002 won the primary against Hillary and he won the Presidency, too. merrily Nov 2015 #357

K&R avaistheone1 Nov 2015 #243

Hmm. davidthegnome Nov 2015 #249

Oh, this OP again. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #254

sorry you are inconvenienced ibegurpard Nov 2015 #292

Oh, this condescending response again. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #305

and Democrats aided and abetted. merrily Nov 2015 #355

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #255

A calculated decision HassleCat Nov 2015 #258

She didn't even bother to read the NIE Bob Graham was pushing his colleagues to read pengu Nov 2015 #261

Yes, but by the same standard BainsBane Nov 2015 #279

Hillary doesn't own the prison industrial complex? That's another Hillarious claim. merrily Nov 2015 #298

He did oppose it but voted for it because of the Violence Against Women act and assault weapons ban: beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #334

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2015 #282

they can apologize if they want cvoogt Nov 2015 #303

Occam's Razor: said Democrats support war. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #306

"I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too MisterP Nov 2015 #308

pathetic use of someone's pain to politicize your losing candidate Sheepshank Nov 2015 #312

That 'pain' is reality. polly7 Nov 2015 #316

A bug swatter gif is comparable to a photo of a woman lying face down on a grave grieving? Jaysus! merrily Nov 2015 #338

it's not...but the OP seems to think a bug swatter is as horrid as the life of a soldier. n/t Sheepshank Nov 2015 #339

No, the OP did not make the comparison. You did. merrily Nov 2015 #340

Manny, no amount of reality based on anything and everything Unknown Beatle Nov 2015 #325

I'm with you on this one, Manny. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #326

I'm wondering why a photo of a victim of our forever, for-profit wars has suddenly become sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #341

I wonder if the usual suspects would tell that woman to her face sarge43 Nov 2015 #342

Strawman much? PBass Nov 2015 #343

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #344

Many intelligent comments about the IWR are on this thread. You opted for insults. Oh, well. merrily Nov 2015 #356

Manny.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #346

Voting to fund it, getting into bed with the weapons systems manufacturers, MADem Nov 2015 #352

This developed into a great thread. I've returned for links to posts and videos many times already. merrily Nov 2015 #365

I'm thinking of changing my name MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #366

Eh. Take a chance, sow some seeds, see what happens merrily Nov 2015 #367

K and R bigwillq Dec 2015 #369

Some people don't care about this. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #370

Farewell, Manny Electric Monk Dec 2015 #371

Re-Kick !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #372