2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Why I don't Trust Hillary Clinton! [View all]Jarqui
(10,122 posts)California, Oregon & Washington
But she's even currently behind in Minnesota and in a bunch of the battleground states (CO, FL, IA, NC, OH) to GOP candidates and the GOP haven't begun carpet bombing big bucks into their nasty ads to make sure everyone sees the material above on lying and flip-flopping, etc. And some of the trouble we have there is it isn't swiftboating BS - we can't defend it because there's some irrefutable truth behind it. Going into this, everybody knew Clinton had a ceiling - a bunch of people don't like her going back to the 90s. All the GOP have to do is knock her down a few more notches to finish her off and that isn't too hard because she comes with volumes of material to do it with.
Bush, Trump and Carson have been tossed out as candidate bones for the media to chomp on. When the media have satisfied some of their appetite, Rubio steps forward already largely vetted:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/the-endless-vetting-of-marco-rubio#.jgELwdZYwd
He's answered the credit card stuff. So it's unlikely we'll be able to counter bash their candidate nearly as much.
Now Bernie, he's different. He's an honest candidate. He doesn't flip-flop or have to lie because he believes what he's saying and been very steady for years. Not many people hate Bernie - he's a pretty nice guy. And like Obama in 2008, he's going into this not having reached his ceiling - he's got some potential upside to come with the public who do not know him nearly as well. Because he's been an independent, he's been arguably at some arms length in Washington and his donations prove nobody owns him. I find that easier to get behind and fight for rather than a political version of a stinking rich, sold out, lying, flip-flopping Nurse Ratched.