2016 Postmortem

cascadiance

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142. This has been "tried" over 20 years now and has FAILED!!!!!

Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:37 PM

Nov 2015

This fraud has been known for a long time. They switch the goalposts by changing some words, but then leave other words that get abused elsewhere. Whether this is due to complicit stealthy manipulation of the legislative process, or incompetence in writing a bill that can't get abused by fraud, the bottom line is that one shouldn't be pushing it the way it has been pushed in the past.

And Hillary Clinton hasn't noted in that speech of hers ANY acknowledgement of the existing fraud in this program, and just echoes the talking points of the Indian staffing firms and others that want to grow this exploitation program. If she wants us to view her as a credible entity in this area, she should STOP taking money from these Indian staffing firms, and either propose in detail how she would support fixing the fraud in this program, or say that it should be taken down because of the fraud, as the author of the program says we should do. Supporting it the way she does in the youtube looks more like she just supports the stealthy efforts over the last few decades to continue the fraud that has been going on.

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Why I don't Trust Hillary Clinton! [View all] sabrina 1 Nov 2015 OP

Yep. Pretty well sums it up. Armstead Nov 2015 #1

Add DOMA Hepburn Nov 2015 #2

Yes, DOMA, that kind of fell under her 'Sanctity of Marriage' and whole history regarding Gay rights sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #5

Apparently they were just protecting us from ourselves ibegurpard Nov 2015 #8

Oh, it's the children... Hepburn Nov 2015 #32

This! A thousand times this. K&R/ eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #103

Oh, but, at the time DOMA was being... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #124

Thank You - Well Said cantbeserious Nov 2015 #3

You need an update - I'll be brief MaggieD Nov 2015 #4

1) Iow, she 'trusted' the most obvious lying administration ever on her Iraq Vote? That's even worse sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #6

"As I said to Hillary that night on twitter" zappaman Nov 2015 #7

Famous people have Twitter accounts to receive feedback. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #133

I disagree.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #9

1) Her state was MY state at that time. She was simply massively wrong about Iraq sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #14

LOL! MaggieD Nov 2015 #15

Sure, always willing to help! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #21

So is her stated "strong" support for H-1B and likely other "guest worker" programs "liberal"? cascadiance Nov 2015 #45

Anything that helps Corporations. I didn't think of that, but yes, that is another reason not to sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #54

Yes, immigration and diversity are good MaggieD Nov 2015 #57

Not when it's being used to replace American workers with cheap foreign labor.. whathehell Nov 2015 #75

That's a right wing argument MaggieD Nov 2015 #78

Bernie is anti-slave labor. frylock Nov 2015 #86

Nah, he's no friend to immigrants MaggieD Nov 2015 #88

Whatever you say. frylock Nov 2015 #91

Hb1 visa holders must be paid the same wage as citizen in the job MaggieD Nov 2015 #93

That's right. They are driving down wages. frylock Nov 2015 #95

How are they driving down wages if the rule states MaggieD Nov 2015 #96

You do understand the economic principles of supply and demand, right? shawn703 Nov 2015 #107

You are DEAD fucking wrong on the facts. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #112

Why are you ignoring the fact that.... MaggieD Nov 2015 #123

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I really suggest you stop. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #127

More than 80 percent of H-1B visa holders are approved to be hired at wages below.. frylock Nov 2015 #121

This is about outsourcing MaggieD Nov 2015 #126

Well, she says in her own words that she STRONGLY SUPPORTS EXPANDING this OUTSOURCING program!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #140

No she doesn't MaggieD Nov 2015 #141

You are really selectively DEAF maam. Her first sentence she states her H-1B program commitment... cascadiance Nov 2015 #144

Of course you're right. Hillary is a goddamn Republican on this issue. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #153

Yeah, the anti immigrant routine MaggieD Nov 2015 #155

BULLSHIT! H-1B is NOT an immigration bill. I would rather they IMMIGRATE here!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #156

Bernie is anti-immigration and this fits right in with that MaggieD Nov 2015 #165

Explain how a TEMPORARY Visa with H-1B visa is "immigration" please!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #166

This is why I fear Hillary would lose the general. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #152

No, that's reality. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #87

Ted Cruz agrees with you MaggieD Nov 2015 #89

So what? That just means that Ted Cruz is smarter than you, too!!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #90

Ted Cruz agrees with YOU that corporate profits are more important than American lives. beerandjesus Nov 2015 #154

You're just factually incorrect MaggieD Nov 2015 #94

I'm right. You're wrong. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #98

Sorry, but you do NOT know what is going on with H-1B like many of us in the trenches do!!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #113

Your story is about fraud in the program MaggieD Nov 2015 #117

It's been fraught with fraud since the 90's when it was started... cascadiance Nov 2015 #138

Well than they should add legislation to reduce the fraud MaggieD Nov 2015 #139

This has been "tried" over 20 years now and has FAILED!!!!! cascadiance Nov 2015 #142

Really - so tell me, what anti-fraud measures have been added since inception? MaggieD Nov 2015 #143

Provide us some quotes from people that say there haven't been fraud in it... cascadiance Nov 2015 #145

Like hell it is -- It's a corporate sell out of our jobs! whathehell Nov 2015 #109

It's great for Corporations, no doubt about that. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #146

Bravo, great defense Gmak Nov 2015 #44

You should see her skills in defending Dr. Oz. NT Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2015 #110

K & R !!!! Thespian2 Nov 2015 #66

Yes, thank you. It's hard to include all the reasons why I do not trust any candidate who takes sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #68

Lol, #1 is the most idiotic quote ever! Nt Logical Nov 2015 #71

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #99

I don't blame her for having super pacs, sort of. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #10

Being an alcoholic is also legal. tazkcmo Nov 2015 #27

That comparison is certainly iffy. SusanCalvin Nov 2015 #33

It don't trust her. SoapBox Nov 2015 #11

You, I And So, So Many Others Are Saying The Very Same Thing... ChiciB1 Nov 2015 #12

I'd love to see Bernie bring up Hillary's vote for the CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #13

Her response would not be good for him MaggieD Nov 2015 #17

Maybe being on big banks/credit card companies' side is popular in CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #34

Oh I think he's going to be bringing it up. I'm surprised if it's so bad for HIM, she hasn't brought sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #46

Can't wait! MaggieD Nov 2015 #56

I think he might be doing so right now at his latest amazing rally! sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #58

Really? Linkie? JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #62

Her response was that she voted for it because Biden. frylock Nov 2015 #84

What's sad about that vote is that she was right initially, if you watch the Elizabeth sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #20

She even claimed she was concerned about its effect on women. Then she CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #37

Yes, maybe I gave her too much credit back then. She was probably more interested in sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #47

You left out one... Segami Nov 2015 #16

Excellent list. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #18

I don't trust her. Period. bigwillq Nov 2015 #19

"I trust very few politicans" tazkcmo Nov 2015 #29

Yeah, I'm at that point also, not trusting at all of politicians. If it were not for his long sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #48

I don't because of her narcissistic personality Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #22

Nice work, Sabrina. floriduck Nov 2015 #23

Lol, aw, that was very nice of you to say. Same goes for you. I'm just glad Bernie has so many smart sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #49

K/R UglyGreed Nov 2015 #24

She Was Wall-Mart Board Of Directors in 1989 billhicks76 Nov 2015 #25

Excellent list. Hillary is a corporate Democrat and a puppet of the wealthy. EEO Nov 2015 #26

k/r 840high Nov 2015 #28

And so you are willing to let the GOP control the SCOTUS for next generation? Gothmog Nov 2015 #30

Sanders vs. Jeb! TBF Nov 2015 #31

But Jeb is not likely to be the Republican nominee. leftofcool Nov 2015 #36

No, are you? Sanders is wiping the floor with all of the Republicans right now. Trump says he sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #51

Sanders is bringing a knife to a gunfight Gothmog Nov 2015 #164

This is not a gunfight Duckfan Nov 2015 #169

A general election campaign against a well funded GOP candidate is indeed a fight Gothmog Nov 2015 #175

the "well funded" Republicans are crashing and burning. virtualobserver Nov 2015 #178

add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Nov 2015 #170

DWS disagrees with you. Tell her "thanks" if you see her. nt antigop Nov 2015 #171

How can you refute that he pulls more moderates and republicans than Clinton? Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #73

Because the polls do not support that claim Gothmog Nov 2015 #162

The polls I have seen and actual election results have shown this Bread and Circus Nov 2015 #167

Where? Gothmog Nov 2015 #168

Big donors WILL call in their quid pro quos on HRC's USSC nominations. Divernan Nov 2015 #105

Money is very important in politics in the real world Gothmog Nov 2015 #160

and DWS disagrees with you. Tell her "thanks" if you see her. nt antigop Nov 2015 #172

If money is not important, why do I keep getting e-mails and letters from DNC? Gothmog Nov 2015 #174

add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Nov 2015 #176

and tell DWS "thanks". nt antigop Nov 2015 #177

Paris changed things. Bernie is no longer a viable candidate. Laser102 Nov 2015 #108

That will be old news by the primaries. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #150

You couldn't be more wrong. Had we had a president like Bernie the country wouldn't sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #151

Clinton has far more foreign policy experience than Sanders Gothmog Nov 2015 #159

Bernie gets 21-25% of the GOP voters to vote for him already in Vermont 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #118

And yet Predictwise has Sanders at 7% to be the nominee Gothmog Nov 2015 #158

Predictwise no doubt said the same thing about Obama in 2008 -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #161

And we've answered you. Fawke Em Nov 2015 #149

Even Sanders' own campaign manager does not think that Sanders will win Gothmog Nov 2015 #157

Use of religion retrowire Nov 2015 #35

Same ole blah blah blah. leftofcool Nov 2015 #38

Yes, we do need some new stuff. That is why we are support Sanders to end all this old sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #42

K/R Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #39

Pin it! ozone_man Nov 2015 #40

Actually when she was First Lady I liked her a lot. But i was a lot less informed then sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #43

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Nov 2015 #101

Bernie is running because ordinary people NEED him in office, Gmak Nov 2015 #41

I don't trust her because she has behaved one way all her political life and is now espousing merrily Nov 2015 #50

I couldn't agree with you more. No matter who wins, it will be a huge fight. But Bernie WILL fight sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #55

He has worked productively across the aisle to pass important legislation. I think he will do better merrily Nov 2015 #59

Why you SHOULD support Hillary.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #52

Her advocacy for more H1B Visas .... the list goes on and on. Scuba Nov 2015 #53

This is one of the greatest threads after this weekend, Sabrina... It needs to be formally laid out! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #60

Excellent comment, thank you MMM. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #85

5) Her record on major issues has constantly changed over the years. Jarqui Nov 2015 #61

If the Dem party wants to win, they will have to start backing the only candidate who defeats ALL sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #67

They ran her down with Bengazzi and the emails ... Jarqui Nov 2015 #70

She can't win in the Western states, and by Western I mean West of the Mississippi River. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #102

She still looks good to retain the 'traditional' three on the West coast: Jarqui Nov 2015 #111

I've been deliberating my post for the Nurse Rached crack Jarqui Nov 2015 #114

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #63

I trust her to reverse herself again on the TPP as soon as expediency allows. pa28 Nov 2015 #64

I think of who Hillary would appoint for cabinet positions Oilwellian Nov 2015 #65

That is a very big issue and all candidates SHOULD be asked who they will appoint to their sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #69

Yep. That pretty much sums it up. n/t 99Forever Nov 2015 #72

All good reasons.... daleanime Nov 2015 #74

Yes that was when I woke up and realized we were being scammed. It was a rude awakening sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #81

ok vadermike Nov 2015 #76

This is primary season. Enough with that old argument 'we have to vote for someone sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #77

Yep - they have demanded that progressives hold our noses and vote for their shitty candidates Maedhros Nov 2015 #79

This election has revealed a lot of what they tried to hide for so long. Yes, we do have a sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #80

For my own part, this has been patently obvious since 2006. Maedhros Nov 2015 #82

For me it began after the Iraq War vote. Then yes, the 'impeachment is off the table' further sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #83

No more wars! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #92

you forgot No Child Left Behind and the Patriot Act marym625 Nov 2015 #97

Just think of your kid's future before you cast your vote for Hillary. Duckfan Nov 2015 #100

K & R AzDar Nov 2015 #104

A Clinton White House Will Likely Increase the Prospects for Terror in the West eridani Nov 2015 #106

This goes to show that being smart enough to see and quick student isn't enough... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #115

K&R nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #116

Her support of monsanto & fracking are more than slight deal breakers. stellanoir Nov 2015 #119

hillary is part of the machine... Javaman Nov 2015 #120

That is so true. Take away the money from all of them and this would be a very sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #131

Thanks, sabrina1...pretty much sums up my feelings... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #122

Awesome OP and resulting thread. I can overlook and forgive almost KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #125

Hello? DownriverDem Nov 2015 #128

Kicketty Kickin' Faux pas Nov 2015 #129

On a bright side, if she gets elected then at least we won't have to worry about her running again! nolabels Nov 2015 #130

MaggieD! Gamecock Lefty Nov 2015 #132

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #134

Hi MCNeonS thanks for your comment and welcome to DU. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #148

I agree with your message. avaistheone1 Nov 2015 #135

Fair enough. Gman Nov 2015 #136

Number Nine. snort Nov 2015 #137

You know what more than 60% of Democrats really don't give a crap they trust her Historic NY Nov 2015 #147

Kicked and recommended for a nice partial list. Uncle Joe Nov 2015 #163

you are working way too hard to convince yourself treestar Nov 2015 #173

You and Millions of people FreakinDJ Nov 2015 #179