2016 Postmortem

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Hillary Is Already TRIANGULATING Against Liberals [View all] Segami Nov 2015 OP

She is in it for herself. pangaia Nov 2015 #1

Well Put! Joe Turner Nov 2015 #2

I'm not following the math. ChiTownDenny Nov 2015 #156

+1 daleanime Nov 2015 #4

Yup. bigwillq Nov 2015 #5

Indeed she is....Not someone I am interested in voting for. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #35

Total Self Motivation.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #59

^^^THIS^^^ Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #89

So had it with Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #105

Well put. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #132

Yup. Very obvious. closeupready Nov 2015 #134

Somebody has to take the side of the poor insurance industry. arcane1 Nov 2015 #3

And the Wall Street "investors" in the poor insurance industry. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #57

Indeed, I'd rather pay a little more in taxes and do away with monthly premiums and copays! arcane1 Nov 2015 #66

+10. n/t whathehell Nov 2015 #102

It would be a lot cheaper for everyone AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #171

An ironic answer, considering how much is about Them. arcane1 Nov 2015 #173

How much did the insurance industry pay her? CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #103

That should be enough to sink her chances of getting pangaia Nov 2015 #136

Besides, this whole election floriduck Nov 2015 #137

A progressive my eye... Segami Nov 2015 #6

+1 cui bono Nov 2015 #9

Using Republican talking points is a Republican tactic. Maedhros Nov 2015 #131

This genuinely infuriates me. This is not surprising to me. nt stillwaiting Nov 2015 #7

Oh goodie! We might get to see how well "Who else you gonna vote for?" works in a presidential year jeff47 Nov 2015 #8

The enthusiasiam for Sanders is because people see an oppurtunity to break free of rhett o rick Nov 2015 #10

I think what we really need is a huge "revolution" at the state and local levels. arcane1 Nov 2015 #73

I agree. But we also need to figure out how to get control of the national Democratic rhett o rick Nov 2015 #94

hear, hear! grasswire Nov 2015 #90

"The left has nowhere else to go." merrily Nov 2015 #13

Yeah...worked so great in 2010 and 2014. jeff47 Nov 2015 #17

That matters mostly on US message boards, where it gets soundly debunked. merrily Nov 2015 #19

And then brought up over and over and over again after the debunking. jeff47 Nov 2015 #20

Bookmark some threads and posts. I never do enough of that, myself. merrily Nov 2015 #23

Right now, I still don't see how the Republicans can win in 2016 Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #51

Yep, not giving them something positive to vote for did not help much daybranch Nov 2015 #154

It will not work for me. Not at all. I will vote for every other Democratic candidate, but not for JDPriestly Nov 2015 #63

I'm with you on all that 100%. Not trustworthy. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #123

WHAT are they seeing in their polling to be pulling this out so early??? hedda_foil Nov 2015 #11

She is progessive like Flo in the commercials - i.e. selling insurance. nt. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #12

I imagine the Clinton campaigns personal polling Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #32

Initially I believe she simply did not understand other people's life situations truedelphi Nov 2015 #14

It was Wellesley, then Yale Law, where she met Bill. "Living on $24K a year implies a higher gross merrily Nov 2015 #21

Yowza - I hadn't read or heard that before. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #22

+1 She has no idea how people are hurting today. And this jwirr Nov 2015 #28

Hillary Rodham Clinton's childhood home senz Nov 2015 #61

Poor Hillary was living in a slum! BeanMusical Nov 2015 #75

Her and Bill were broke when they left the WH awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #108

She'll be rolling out a new campaign slogan next week: Drill, baby drill! Scuba Nov 2015 #15

ROTFLMAO LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #62

Typical Bernista smear. Nitram Nov 2015 #169

It's well known that liberals have much better senses of humor than conservatives. Scuba Nov 2015 #175

Well, I'll give you that. Nitram Nov 2015 #177

If You really- ruffburr Nov 2015 #16

Pardon us for being deluded dreamers ... Trajan Nov 2015 #81

Ugh. I'm so sick of her. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #18

So am I. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #40

I'm getting sicker every day grasswire Nov 2015 #91

And I'm so sick of your negativity. Nitram Nov 2015 #178

What? Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #182

There you go again. Nitram Nov 2015 #186

So mean? Really? Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #187

Aww shucks! Nitram Nov 2015 #189

All those stories about the Third Wayers "warning" her not to go too far left. LOL! merrily Nov 2015 #24

She heeded their warning. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #124

Why not? They were giving it on her behalf. merrily Nov 2015 #125

The Scandinavian countries Progressive dog Nov 2015 #25

He already did in the debate. jwirr Nov 2015 #31

The taxes he has proposed Progressive dog Nov 2015 #37

And they don't even get actual single payer Recursion Nov 2015 #70

OMG! TM99 Nov 2015 #104

Bookmarked for future reference. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #26

Why announce it to everyone? senz Nov 2015 #69

Hell, she's already counter-negotiating against us. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #27

It IS a truly messed-up thing! And its a truly messed-up time in American politics RiverLover Nov 2015 #29

Hillary is a creature of Wall Street Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #30

Yuck. Nt F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #33

This part of his plan is worth opposing ( or very poorly thought out) Persondem Nov 2015 #34

"tax and spend liberals" AlbertCat Nov 2015 #43

Familiar toolbox... Segami Nov 2015 #47

Oh, you have no real response to my post ... funny that. Persondem Nov 2015 #82

Nice tell. frylock Nov 2015 #76

Nice nothing, get a clue. quotation marks just might have meant something .... Persondem Nov 2015 #80

Okay. Who were you quoting? frylock Nov 2015 #83

Every GOP mouth piece for the last 35 years. Sanders wears a nice target on his back vis a vis taxes Persondem Nov 2015 #84

And Clinton wears a nice target on her back vis-a-vis Clinton. frylock Nov 2015 #121

No they won't. They came out of the woodwork to vote against Obama twice. for that decade Persondem Nov 2015 #141

Conservatives had not been harboring a white-hot hatred of Obama for almost 25 years. frylock Nov 2015 #143

Conservatives had been harboring a white hot hatred of people like Obama for nearly 400 years. Persondem Nov 2015 #146

Your points were adequately addressed by other posters in this thread. frylock Nov 2015 #153

None of my points were addressed!! One person sort of tried but had zero details & no numbers Persondem Nov 2015 #155

What percentage of their income are these people currently paying for mandated health insurance? frylock Nov 2015 #157

Guess you conveniently overlooked the quotation marks. Work your brain a while .... Persondem Nov 2015 #79

Anything to distract from the substance of my post. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #88

How about replying to the substance of my post instead of trying to deflect? Persondem Nov 2015 #100

Oh, I was recently schooled by a "social democrat" on the job creators Fairgo Nov 2015 #95

Substance like forgetting that insurance isn't free now. jeff47 Nov 2015 #68

When has insurance ever been free? Skidmore Nov 2015 #183

Never. But the "substance" in the post I replied to forgot to include that detail. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #184

Big fuckin deal - they'd lose 2.2% of their income tularetom Nov 2015 #85

thanks, Tom grasswire Nov 2015 #92

I have looked for details on Sanders's SP plan without success Persondem Nov 2015 #107

You are attacking him with Republican ideology AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #98

Defending the poor and middle class from a burdensome tax increase is Persondem Nov 2015 #99

Tax and spend liberals? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #114

In quotes - don't be so obtuse Persondem Nov 2015 #116

You are crying about 2.2% tax for healthcare? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #120

I am trying to get past Sanders slogans but can't find his math. Ideas? Persondem Nov 2015 #139

You said 2.2% AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #145

Got news for you. It ain't about you. nt. Persondem Nov 2015 #147

Everyone else would pay the same rate AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #151

No one has been able to point me to a pace where the details of this wonderful plan exist Persondem Nov 2015 #158

Yet you attack it with Republican talking points AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #172

So freaking what!?? You want to push an ill thought out idea you better be ready Persondem Nov 2015 #180

And the trillions we are wasting on Iraq? Why is that a given that that $ is there Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #109

Please provide some documentation for the trillions we ARE spending on Iraq. Persondem Nov 2015 #115

"tax and spend liberals" is a Republican slogan. What does that make you? Enthusiast Nov 2015 #126

Makes me cognizant of the fact that a high priced (i.e. hightax) SP system isn't going to fly Persondem Nov 2015 #140

Exact details? You aren't going to get exact details. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #144

You might as well say pixie dust then. I'd like to see SP in the US, but without the details Persondem Nov 2015 #150

Nonsense. You are just waving your hands around in an effort to hide the facts. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #161

Once upon a time she actually attempted to find a way to provide health care access tblue37 Nov 2015 #36

She did - it's called the ACA MaggieD Nov 2015 #45

No, I mean her herculean effort during Bill's first administration. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #46

it's called the ACA AlbertCat Nov 2015 #48

No, everyone would not "have healthcare"... ljm2002 Nov 2015 #87

yes, health care costs would decrease overall. grasswire Nov 2015 #93

Ultra-Left Hillary Derangement Syndrome. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #38

Ultra-Centrist Derp Syndrome frylock Nov 2015 #77

Ultra-deranged Bernie personality cult syndrome Nitram Nov 2015 #111

Yeah, we're the personality cult droning on about poise and looking presidential. frylock Nov 2015 #113

Frylock, you were supposed to come up with a funnier and more incisive Utra-something-or-other. Nitram Nov 2015 #162

Oh gee, another admonishment from Nitram. frylock Nov 2015 #163

Aw, it was all in jest, Fry old chap. Nitram Nov 2015 #165

That's rich! beerandjesus Nov 2015 #138

rest of his at least $18-20 trillion agenda. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #39

This is a fine example of how she self-destructs. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #41

Hillary Clinton most definately should have ran as a Republican INdemo Nov 2015 #42

Clinton is exactly right MaggieD Nov 2015 #44

Clinton is exactly to the right AlbertCat Nov 2015 #49

Only if you're a socialist MaggieD Nov 2015 #50

So what's wrong with that? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #54

Whatever makes you happy MaggieD Nov 2015 #60

If Mrs C had a liberal track record, it would be extreme Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #67

You sound like you know absolutely nothing about her MaggieD Nov 2015 #71

One article on Hillary's mixed record with wall street. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #86

I spent the day gathering a few more in that vein in addition to the one RickV posted Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #160

It's a smear when you imply that that's what Clinton will do, Jack. Nitram Nov 2015 #166

I'm not implying anything Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #174

Jack, I'm afraid your logic and evidence are sadly lacking. Nitram Nov 2015 #176

It is counterintuitive to me Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #181

I see, so we make our political and judicial judgement based on intuition now? Nitram Nov 2015 #185

Baloney Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #190

It is a smear unless you clarify in the statement that it is based on your gut level feeling... Nitram Nov 2015 #191

My good sir, I've been on this board for 14 years Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #192

Social Security is the single most popular program in America ever�pure socialism. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #128

Anarcho-syndicalists are to the left of many socialists Buzz cook Nov 2015 #97

BWHAHAHAHA.... Segami Nov 2015 #53

+1 Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #58

Indifferent to progressives Hillary? 99Forever Nov 2015 #52

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #55

Ahh, Segami, what Duval Nov 2015 #56

You're most welcome Duval... Segami Nov 2015 #72

We live in a greedy superficial and selfish country. Is tiered for profi healthcare ethical? NO YOHABLO Nov 2015 #64

Her answer re Wall Street, "I was a senator from NY" means she can't stand up to Wall Street ViseGrip Nov 2015 #65

In running for president, first doing a term as the "Democratic Senator from NY" closeupready Nov 2015 #135

"the bug-eyed socialist Bernie Sanders wants to take all of your money." postatomic Nov 2015 #74

That is why I am a Bernie Sanders Supporter. It is becoming very difficult to be a liberal in Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #78

So the objection Buzz cook Nov 2015 #96

There is still time for Hillary to run on the INdemo Nov 2015 #101

Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #106

She knows she's not going to make a dent ibegurpard Nov 2015 #110

There are some reasonable arguments against . . FairWinds Nov 2015 #112

She is the worst fbc Nov 2015 #117

Incisive point, FBC. Nitram Nov 2015 #167

thanks! fbc Nov 2015 #168

K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #118

I get sicker of Hillary Clinton by the day. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #119

.. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #127

K&R! Single payer is my litmus test. I'm not in favor of free money for insurance companies. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #122

Bingo! colsohlibgal Nov 2015 #130

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #129

Can't even wait until after the nomination... Herman4747 Nov 2015 #133

Hill thinks the ACA just needs tweaking...but today SoapBox Nov 2015 #142

Aye, couldn't agree more Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #149

is she getting desperate? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #148

You're the one that sounds deperate, Fast. Nitram Nov 2015 #170

I'm really, really, REALLY tired of, when I want to use my tax dollars for PatrickforO Nov 2015 #152

Funny how there's always money available Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #159

. UglyGreed Nov 2015 #164

At least she's not one of them Tax and Spend, bleedin' heart, libruls! K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #179

She had truly learned nothing in eight years Fearless Nov 2015 #188