2016 Postmortem

PatrickforO

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152. I'm really, really, REALLY tired of, when I want to use my tax dollars for

Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:14 PM

Nov 2015

stuff that would genuinely make my life better, like single payer healthcare, politicians tell me we cannot afford it.

Because, you know what? No one asked how much the forever war was gonna cost. And no one even batted an eye when it went up into the trillions.

But no single payer?

Bullshit.

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Hillary Is Already TRIANGULATING Against Liberals [View all] Segami Nov 2015 OP

She is in it for herself. pangaia Nov 2015 #1

Well Put! Joe Turner Nov 2015 #2

I'm not following the math. ChiTownDenny Nov 2015 #156

+1 daleanime Nov 2015 #4

Yup. bigwillq Nov 2015 #5

Indeed she is....Not someone I am interested in voting for. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #35

Total Self Motivation.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #59

^^^THIS^^^ Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #89

So had it with Hillary. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2015 #105

Well put. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #132

Yup. Very obvious. closeupready Nov 2015 #134

Somebody has to take the side of the poor insurance industry. arcane1 Nov 2015 #3

And the Wall Street "investors" in the poor insurance industry. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #57

Indeed, I'd rather pay a little more in taxes and do away with monthly premiums and copays! arcane1 Nov 2015 #66

+10. n/t whathehell Nov 2015 #102

It would be a lot cheaper for everyone AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #171

An ironic answer, considering how much is about Them. arcane1 Nov 2015 #173

How much did the insurance industry pay her? CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #103

That should be enough to sink her chances of getting pangaia Nov 2015 #136

Besides, this whole election floriduck Nov 2015 #137

A progressive my eye... Segami Nov 2015 #6

+1 cui bono Nov 2015 #9

Using Republican talking points is a Republican tactic. Maedhros Nov 2015 #131

This genuinely infuriates me. This is not surprising to me. nt stillwaiting Nov 2015 #7

Oh goodie! We might get to see how well "Who else you gonna vote for?" works in a presidential year jeff47 Nov 2015 #8

The enthusiasiam for Sanders is because people see an oppurtunity to break free of rhett o rick Nov 2015 #10

I think what we really need is a huge "revolution" at the state and local levels. arcane1 Nov 2015 #73

I agree. But we also need to figure out how to get control of the national Democratic rhett o rick Nov 2015 #94

hear, hear! grasswire Nov 2015 #90

"The left has nowhere else to go." merrily Nov 2015 #13

Yeah...worked so great in 2010 and 2014. jeff47 Nov 2015 #17

That matters mostly on US message boards, where it gets soundly debunked. merrily Nov 2015 #19

And then brought up over and over and over again after the debunking. jeff47 Nov 2015 #20

Bookmark some threads and posts. I never do enough of that, myself. merrily Nov 2015 #23

Right now, I still don't see how the Republicans can win in 2016 Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #51

Yep, not giving them something positive to vote for did not help much daybranch Nov 2015 #154

It will not work for me. Not at all. I will vote for every other Democratic candidate, but not for JDPriestly Nov 2015 #63

I'm with you on all that 100%. Not trustworthy. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #123

WHAT are they seeing in their polling to be pulling this out so early??? hedda_foil Nov 2015 #11

She is progessive like Flo in the commercials - i.e. selling insurance. nt. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #12

I imagine the Clinton campaigns personal polling Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #32

Initially I believe she simply did not understand other people's life situations truedelphi Nov 2015 #14

It was Wellesley, then Yale Law, where she met Bill. "Living on $24K a year implies a higher gross merrily Nov 2015 #21

Yowza - I hadn't read or heard that before. Juicy_Bellows Nov 2015 #22

+1 She has no idea how people are hurting today. And this jwirr Nov 2015 #28

Hillary Rodham Clinton's childhood home senz Nov 2015 #61

Poor Hillary was living in a slum! BeanMusical Nov 2015 #75

Her and Bill were broke when they left the WH awoke_in_2003 Nov 2015 #108

She'll be rolling out a new campaign slogan next week: Drill, baby drill! Scuba Nov 2015 #15

ROTFLMAO LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #62

Typical Bernista smear. Nitram Nov 2015 #169

It's well known that liberals have much better senses of humor than conservatives. Scuba Nov 2015 #175

Well, I'll give you that. Nitram Nov 2015 #177

If You really- ruffburr Nov 2015 #16

Pardon us for being deluded dreamers ... Trajan Nov 2015 #81

Ugh. I'm so sick of her. Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #18

So am I. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #40

I'm getting sicker every day grasswire Nov 2015 #91

And I'm so sick of your negativity. Nitram Nov 2015 #178

What? Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #182

There you go again. Nitram Nov 2015 #186

So mean? Really? Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #187

Aww shucks! Nitram Nov 2015 #189

All those stories about the Third Wayers "warning" her not to go too far left. LOL! merrily Nov 2015 #24

She heeded their warning. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #124

Why not? They were giving it on her behalf. merrily Nov 2015 #125

The Scandinavian countries Progressive dog Nov 2015 #25

He already did in the debate. jwirr Nov 2015 #31

The taxes he has proposed Progressive dog Nov 2015 #37

And they don't even get actual single payer Recursion Nov 2015 #70

OMG! TM99 Nov 2015 #104

Bookmarked for future reference. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #26

Why announce it to everyone? senz Nov 2015 #69

Hell, she's already counter-negotiating against us. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #27

It IS a truly messed-up thing! And its a truly messed-up time in American politics RiverLover Nov 2015 #29

Hillary is a creature of Wall Street Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #30

Yuck. Nt F4lconF16 Nov 2015 #33

This part of his plan is worth opposing ( or very poorly thought out) Persondem Nov 2015 #34

"tax and spend liberals" AlbertCat Nov 2015 #43

Familiar toolbox... Segami Nov 2015 #47

Oh, you have no real response to my post ... funny that. Persondem Nov 2015 #82

Nice tell. frylock Nov 2015 #76

Nice nothing, get a clue. quotation marks just might have meant something .... Persondem Nov 2015 #80

Okay. Who were you quoting? frylock Nov 2015 #83

Every GOP mouth piece for the last 35 years. Sanders wears a nice target on his back vis a vis taxes Persondem Nov 2015 #84

And Clinton wears a nice target on her back vis-a-vis Clinton. frylock Nov 2015 #121

No they won't. They came out of the woodwork to vote against Obama twice. for that decade Persondem Nov 2015 #141

Conservatives had not been harboring a white-hot hatred of Obama for almost 25 years. frylock Nov 2015 #143

Conservatives had been harboring a white hot hatred of people like Obama for nearly 400 years. Persondem Nov 2015 #146

Your points were adequately addressed by other posters in this thread. frylock Nov 2015 #153

None of my points were addressed!! One person sort of tried but had zero details & no numbers Persondem Nov 2015 #155

What percentage of their income are these people currently paying for mandated health insurance? frylock Nov 2015 #157

Guess you conveniently overlooked the quotation marks. Work your brain a while .... Persondem Nov 2015 #79

Anything to distract from the substance of my post. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #88

How about replying to the substance of my post instead of trying to deflect? Persondem Nov 2015 #100

Oh, I was recently schooled by a "social democrat" on the job creators Fairgo Nov 2015 #95

Substance like forgetting that insurance isn't free now. jeff47 Nov 2015 #68

When has insurance ever been free? Skidmore Nov 2015 #183

Never. But the "substance" in the post I replied to forgot to include that detail. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #184

Big fuckin deal - they'd lose 2.2% of their income tularetom Nov 2015 #85

thanks, Tom grasswire Nov 2015 #92

I have looked for details on Sanders's SP plan without success Persondem Nov 2015 #107

You are attacking him with Republican ideology AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #98

Defending the poor and middle class from a burdensome tax increase is Persondem Nov 2015 #99

Tax and spend liberals? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #114

In quotes - don't be so obtuse Persondem Nov 2015 #116

You are crying about 2.2% tax for healthcare? AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #120

I am trying to get past Sanders slogans but can't find his math. Ideas? Persondem Nov 2015 #139

You said 2.2% AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #145

Got news for you. It ain't about you. nt. Persondem Nov 2015 #147

Everyone else would pay the same rate AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #151

No one has been able to point me to a pace where the details of this wonderful plan exist Persondem Nov 2015 #158

Yet you attack it with Republican talking points AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #172

So freaking what!?? You want to push an ill thought out idea you better be ready Persondem Nov 2015 #180

And the trillions we are wasting on Iraq? Why is that a given that that $ is there Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #109

Please provide some documentation for the trillions we ARE spending on Iraq. Persondem Nov 2015 #115

"tax and spend liberals" is a Republican slogan. What does that make you? Enthusiast Nov 2015 #126

Makes me cognizant of the fact that a high priced (i.e. hightax) SP system isn't going to fly Persondem Nov 2015 #140

Exact details? You aren't going to get exact details. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #144

You might as well say pixie dust then. I'd like to see SP in the US, but without the details Persondem Nov 2015 #150

Nonsense. You are just waving your hands around in an effort to hide the facts. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #161

Once upon a time she actually attempted to find a way to provide health care access tblue37 Nov 2015 #36

She did - it's called the ACA MaggieD Nov 2015 #45

No, I mean her herculean effort during Bill's first administration. nt tblue37 Nov 2015 #46

it's called the ACA AlbertCat Nov 2015 #48

No, everyone would not "have healthcare"... ljm2002 Nov 2015 #87

yes, health care costs would decrease overall. grasswire Nov 2015 #93

Ultra-Left Hillary Derangement Syndrome. RBInMaine Nov 2015 #38

Ultra-Centrist Derp Syndrome frylock Nov 2015 #77

Ultra-deranged Bernie personality cult syndrome Nitram Nov 2015 #111

Yeah, we're the personality cult droning on about poise and looking presidential. frylock Nov 2015 #113

Frylock, you were supposed to come up with a funnier and more incisive Utra-something-or-other. Nitram Nov 2015 #162

Oh gee, another admonishment from Nitram. frylock Nov 2015 #163

Aw, it was all in jest, Fry old chap. Nitram Nov 2015 #165

That's rich! beerandjesus Nov 2015 #138

rest of his at least $18-20 trillion agenda. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #39

This is a fine example of how she self-destructs. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #41

Hillary Clinton most definately should have ran as a Republican INdemo Nov 2015 #42

Clinton is exactly right MaggieD Nov 2015 #44

Clinton is exactly to the right AlbertCat Nov 2015 #49

Only if you're a socialist MaggieD Nov 2015 #50

So what's wrong with that? Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #54

Whatever makes you happy MaggieD Nov 2015 #60

If Mrs C had a liberal track record, it would be extreme Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #67

You sound like you know absolutely nothing about her MaggieD Nov 2015 #71

One article on Hillary's mixed record with wall street. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #86

I spent the day gathering a few more in that vein in addition to the one RickV posted Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #160

It's a smear when you imply that that's what Clinton will do, Jack. Nitram Nov 2015 #166

I'm not implying anything Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #174

Jack, I'm afraid your logic and evidence are sadly lacking. Nitram Nov 2015 #176

It is counterintuitive to me Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #181

I see, so we make our political and judicial judgement based on intuition now? Nitram Nov 2015 #185

Baloney Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #190

It is a smear unless you clarify in the statement that it is based on your gut level feeling... Nitram Nov 2015 #191

My good sir, I've been on this board for 14 years Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #192

Social Security is the single most popular program in America ever�pure socialism. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #128

Anarcho-syndicalists are to the left of many socialists Buzz cook Nov 2015 #97

BWHAHAHAHA.... Segami Nov 2015 #53

+1 Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #58

Indifferent to progressives Hillary? 99Forever Nov 2015 #52

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #55

Ahh, Segami, what Duval Nov 2015 #56

You're most welcome Duval... Segami Nov 2015 #72

We live in a greedy superficial and selfish country. Is tiered for profi healthcare ethical? NO YOHABLO Nov 2015 #64

Her answer re Wall Street, "I was a senator from NY" means she can't stand up to Wall Street ViseGrip Nov 2015 #65

In running for president, first doing a term as the "Democratic Senator from NY" closeupready Nov 2015 #135

"the bug-eyed socialist Bernie Sanders wants to take all of your money." postatomic Nov 2015 #74

That is why I am a Bernie Sanders Supporter. It is becoming very difficult to be a liberal in Todays_Illusion Nov 2015 #78

So the objection Buzz cook Nov 2015 #96

There is still time for Hillary to run on the INdemo Nov 2015 #101

Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #106

She knows she's not going to make a dent ibegurpard Nov 2015 #110

There are some reasonable arguments against . . FairWinds Nov 2015 #112

She is the worst fbc Nov 2015 #117

Incisive point, FBC. Nitram Nov 2015 #167

thanks! fbc Nov 2015 #168

K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #118

I get sicker of Hillary Clinton by the day. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #119

.. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #127

K&R! Single payer is my litmus test. I'm not in favor of free money for insurance companies. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #122

Bingo! colsohlibgal Nov 2015 #130

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #129

Can't even wait until after the nomination... Herman4747 Nov 2015 #133

Hill thinks the ACA just needs tweaking...but today SoapBox Nov 2015 #142

Aye, couldn't agree more Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #149

is she getting desperate? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2015 #148

You're the one that sounds deperate, Fast. Nitram Nov 2015 #170

I'm really, really, REALLY tired of, when I want to use my tax dollars for PatrickforO Nov 2015 #152

Funny how there's always money available Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #159

. UglyGreed Nov 2015 #164

At least she's not one of them Tax and Spend, bleedin' heart, libruls! K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #179

She had truly learned nothing in eight years Fearless Nov 2015 #188