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61. I'm getting it from CMS

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:05 AM

Nov 2015

not providing any information on the cost of covering the present under-insured and uninsured

I am: I'm taking the rate that the insured use medical services, applying that rate to the uninsured and underinsured, and applying to the entire cohort (privately insured, uninsured, and underinsured) the rates Medicare pays for those services. This isn't exactly rocket science.

If you have some evidence that the uninsured and underinsured would actually use health services less than the fully insured, present the argument.

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Bernie will not be introducing a healthcare plan or costs [View all] MaggieD Nov 2015 OP

But he will be finally giving his democratic socialist speech tomorrow whill Hillary gives Foreign riversedge Nov 2015 #1

"It's gonna be GRREAT! You people are gonna LUV-IT! You'll see! I can get it done!" NurseJackie Nov 2015 #2

LOL! MaggieD Nov 2015 #3

Wow RobertEarl Nov 2015 #10

Who is making fun of it? Skidmore Nov 2015 #77

That's pretty much his position. One of the many reasons I don't trust him. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #27

Because if the true costs were revealed, it would kill his candidacy Cali_Democrat Nov 2015 #4

Yep - I believe that is true MaggieD Nov 2015 #5

I believe that's exactly why. Yep. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #28

In a sentence, yes. Recursion Nov 2015 #49

Wonder if the cost could be negated somewhat by putting nc4bo Nov 2015 #6

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #7

Bernie is a big MIC supporter, so that ain't happening MaggieD Nov 2015 #8

Why? Because he supports the troops? zalinda Nov 2015 #9

No, because he supports wasteful military spending for pork MaggieD Nov 2015 #15

Hillary voted for all that plus the war neverforget Nov 2015 #17

Irrelevant MaggieD Nov 2015 #18

You said "No, because he supports wasteful military spending for pork" neverforget Nov 2015 #21

No, it's not relevant MaggieD Nov 2015 #22

And a tax cut is going to fix it? neverforget Nov 2015 #24

ACA plans cap the out of pocket at $6450 per individual MaggieD Nov 2015 #26

Unless you get in an accident zalinda Nov 2015 #41

That $6450 is the max out of pocket mythology Nov 2015 #59

I couldn't afford $6450 zalinda Nov 2015 #73

Every year AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #82

If you bring up an issue, then you are making it relevant. Scootaloo Nov 2015 #32

She voted to base F-35s in Burlington VT? MADem Nov 2015 #29

She didn't vote for defense budgets? I thought the whole problem with Bernie neverforget Nov 2015 #34

Isn't "too big to kill" sorta like "too big to fail?" Why is one OK (the one that actually KILLS MADem Nov 2015 #35

The F-35 needs to die. Did I endorse it? Nope. It's funny how neverforget Nov 2015 #37

Bernie plugged the F-35, cozied up to Lockheed-Martin, and traded those "because...jobs" MADem Nov 2015 #38

I disagree 100% with Bernie on the F-35. neverforget Nov 2015 #39

If you want every Senator who voted the wrong way to apologize for their vote, MADem Nov 2015 #40

What a canard. Frog march? Comparing American politicians to Chinese government officials? neverforget Nov 2015 #58

It's not a canard when you're demanding ritual apologies like that's gonna happen. MADem Nov 2015 #74

Get over myself? At least I know when my candidate is neverforget Nov 2015 #79

Don't give me "what's worse?" questions. You don't get to be the Game Show host, here. MADem Nov 2015 #80

Talk about a "childish whine" neverforget Nov 2015 #81

The F-35 is the preferred plane zalinda Nov 2015 #42

LOL!!!!!!! MADem Nov 2015 #43

Small correction, F-35s are not built in Vermont tammywammy Nov 2015 #48

Crazy. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #11

Thank you, Maggie~ Cha Nov 2015 #12

Just like he disappeared when Vermont was trying to implement single payer taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #13

Exactly MaggieD Nov 2015 #19

Exactly. But he's hoping his passionate supporters won't see that dodge. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #30

Jeez, he did the fifty yard dash AWAY from that issue in the fastest time I've ever seen! MADem Nov 2015 #36

Any specifics yet? Alfresco Nov 2015 #14

There's nothing "vague" about Medicare... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #16

He still needs to account for what it will cost BainsBane Nov 2015 #20

Exactly MaggieD Nov 2015 #23

+1 moobu2 Nov 2015 #25

He and who else? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #31

$15 trillion is way way low. It doesn't count usage increases Recursion Nov 2015 #55

Have you read through the Sanders/McDermott Bill? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #63

As I've said over and over again, the deductibles and copays are *current Medicare* Recursion Nov 2015 #66

Okay... Now I KNOW you don't read what's in front of you... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #67

Define "the private sector" Recursion Nov 2015 #68

If you're providing services question... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #71

I hear it but it's not true Recursion Nov 2015 #72

So, now your ignorance on this issue is based on a libertarian publication... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #75

Medicare wouldn't remotely help poor people. It has a $1000 deductible, 20% copays Recursion Nov 2015 #46

That is not correct at all... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #52

That's hand waving Recursion Nov 2015 #54

That's still not true... How many times do you want me to say it? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #60

I'm getting it from CMS Recursion Nov 2015 #61

See response #63 MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #65

So now that $15 per hour platitude makes sense Sheepshank Nov 2015 #33

So he gives everybody a raise jamzrockz Nov 2015 #57

The fact is that we can't afford the health care system we have NOW. Ron Green Nov 2015 #44

Except just waving your hands and saying "it will cost less" doesn't make it so Recursion Nov 2015 #45

You're right that drastic reforms are required. Ron Green Nov 2015 #47

I don't know where people keep coming up with 2%. It's 6%. CMS publishes these numbers. Recursion Nov 2015 #62

Don Berwick, the former Director of CMS, is my source. n/t Ron Green Nov 2015 #69

Well, CMS disagrees with him Recursion Nov 2015 #70

prescription drug prices hill2016 Nov 2015 #64

"A Slap Fight." LWolf Nov 2015 #50

He wrote this bill in late 2013 Jarqui Nov 2015 #51

There's a lot in the bill Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #56

Bernie doesn't need plans because he will never get near the Oval Office leftofcool Nov 2015 #53

In 2015, Medicare cost 511 billion for 54 million people. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #76

It's official, Bernie isn't trying to win firebrand80 Nov 2015 #78