2016 Postmortem

AtomicKitten

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92. So why are you denying using the term is a GOP/Third Way construct?

Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:02 PM

Nov 2015

Let’s be clear: Social Security is not an “entitlement.” Social Security is an earned benefit, bought and paid for through decades of hard, sometimes disagreeable work. Every payday since we began working, we have contributed 6.2% of our income, matching our employer’s 6.2% paid into Social Security on our behalf. These contributions over a lifetime of work provide a modest but guaranteed monthly benefit for life. Without this earned Social Security retirement income, the poverty rate among older, previously middle class Americans would be staggering, and tragic.

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Why would a Democrat support H. Clinton and her stand on Social Security? [View all] rhett o rick Nov 2015 OP

Hard to say without knowing for sure what it is she wants changed or enhanced. However, some voters EV_Ares Nov 2015 #1

Classic implementation of the WEDGE ISSUE concept 90-percent Nov 2015 #37

You hit that 100%. EV_Ares Nov 2015 #50

Because only Hillary-haters think that "enhance" means "cut." DanTex Nov 2015 #2

Name calling indicates desparation. I don't hate Clinton I just don't want to see Social Security rhett o rick Nov 2015 #3

actually on SS they do pay their fair share dsc Nov 2015 #8

Facts don't matter. Plus, SS Admin has projected raising the cap, while allowing increased Hoyt Nov 2015 #54

I don't know what a "fair share" concept means exboyfil Nov 2015 #80

I think the changes to get the 150 billion should be the opposite of what produced the problem dsc Nov 2015 #81

Then tell us what it does mean Doctor_J Nov 2015 #4

Enhance the retirement age to 70 bahrbearian Nov 2015 #7

It means this. DanTex Nov 2015 #40

She is a master of rhetoric. Lots of words but doesn't really commit to anything. rhett o rick Nov 2015 #57

this is the phrase that bothers me the most: Karma13612 Nov 2015 #60

I agree. What a bullcrap response. Instead of looking to help all that need help, she wants to rhett o rick Nov 2015 #71

Yes, by making it for needy seniors only, it becomes "welfare", which can then be Doctor_J Nov 2015 #77

Yep. ".. for those who need it most ..." implies means testing. Once that happens SS will no GoneFishin Nov 2015 #88

It means cutting SocSec for everyone and then putting money back in for those in the lowest quintile eridani Nov 2015 #101

Adding means testing is step 1 to killing Social Security. jeff47 Nov 2015 #87

Reason for Concern earthside Nov 2015 #9

That's why you read the actual policy BainsBane Nov 2015 #13

Yup. earthside Nov 2015 #25

"That yes-or-no question got neither". Her answer was just Duval Nov 2015 #27

Exactly! PatrickforO Nov 2015 #30

I have gleaned a couple things from this thread Doctor_J Nov 2015 #78

They can't defend her position because she has no concrete position. But they don't care rhett o rick Nov 2015 #98

I dont' hate Hillary. But Hillary is a creature of wall street. She is deeply indebted to wall stree Ferd Berfel Nov 2015 #47

No, for Hillary, I believe "Enhanced" Karma13612 Nov 2015 #58

like enhanced interogation? reallygosh Nov 2015 #64

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #68

In Pete Petersen dogwhistle-speak, that is exactly what it means eridani Nov 2015 #100

Let's enhance Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #5

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #69

Of course they are. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #6

Mrs. Clinton's supporters have come to be OK with many republican positions Doctor_J Nov 2015 #10

The Democratic Party is in an abysmal place. And, that's with an insane Republican Party stillwaiting Nov 2015 #106

Conservatives have infested the Democratic Party. Broward Nov 2015 #11

Bingo! rhett o rick Nov 2015 #97

Here is Clinton's actual POLICY on Social Security BainsBane Nov 2015 #12

Why would the OP lie about Clinton? shenmue Nov 2015 #14

At the debate and Nh speech she was less definitive on some of these issues. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #15

You are using comments from 2008 about the cap BainsBane Nov 2015 #23

again, singling out specific Karma13612 Nov 2015 #62

Facts versus distorted attacks Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #17

Facts? Well, I used her own quotes. What is her raised cap figure? EndElectoral Nov 2015 #19

And see how much more you demand of any other President Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #22

Her stance is kind of important if she wants to be President. btw..never mentioned Sanders. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #42

If it is important to you, then read it. Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #45

I have read it. It doesn't always gel with what she's stated recently. Read my previous post. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #53

Yet the OP insists Clinton supporters are incapable of discussing policy BainsBane Nov 2015 #24

If she were a man,,, Oh give me a break. pangaia Nov 2015 #29

Really? Go read the thread posted by your cohorts regarding the Iraq authorization Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #36

As to the IWR I hold Kerry and Biden equally culpable. It has nothing to do with her sex. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #44

Here you go. Evergreen Emerald Nov 2015 #48

Again as I said previously "I" hold Kerry and Biden just as culpable for the IWR vote as Clinton. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #79

I don't have any 'cohorts.' pangaia Nov 2015 #49

Madame President asuhornets Nov 2015 #16

Great post! Welcome! NurseJackie Nov 2015 #20

Sadly she agrees with the Republicons about Social Security. She was given great oppurtunity rhett o rick Nov 2015 #99

as per your header Old Codger Nov 2015 #32

Both candidates speak on policies that are important to me asuhornets Nov 2015 #59

OK well Old Codger Nov 2015 #65

Your opinions are valid, but asuhornets Nov 2015 #67

Ok Old Codger Nov 2015 #72

If you support 99% of what Clinton says, does that mean you favor fracking for oil profits rhett o rick Nov 2015 #66

I do not support TPP and asuhornets Nov 2015 #70

Clinton hasn't moved to the left. She claims to have softened her stands on some rhett o rick Nov 2015 #73

It seems to me there are contridictions in your comments. pangaia Nov 2015 #39

What I meant by emotionally and politically is asuhornets Nov 2015 #74

OK. pangaia Nov 2015 #75

A Democrat wouldn't. 99Forever Nov 2015 #18

For a paycheck and benefits like real health care for the family? Demeter Nov 2015 #21

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2015 #26

Yes, that may be the case.. but---- pangaia Nov 2015 #41

Oops! It looks like the end of your comment was enhanced. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #61

Took me a second.... pangaia Nov 2015 #63

Obama is going to cut social security any minute now, so the point is moot. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #28

Wrong about what? He wanted to cut. Broward Nov 2015 #31

Yes, he wanted it so badly, yet it was not in the budget that just passed. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #33

Fantasy land there Sparks. Conservatives are a strange lot. Broward Nov 2015 #43

Candidate Obama said he would raise the wage cap. Pres Obama tried to tie benefits to the rhett o rick Nov 2015 #114

Campaign Obama wanted to raise the cap. President Obama wants to raise the age. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #34

When's that going to happen then? JoePhilly Nov 2015 #35

We shifted away from the discussion in the OP. Do you support raising the cap rhett o rick Nov 2015 #46

Rep John Conyers called for massive protests after Obama called for Soc. Sec. cuts think Nov 2015 #107

Cut it out. She said she was open to lifting the cap. azmom Nov 2015 #38

She is the queen of rhetoric. Told a few people on Wall Street to "cut it out", to clear her rhett o rick Nov 2015 #113

A Democrat would support Clinton's stand on Social Security out of fear that only a Republican-lite Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #51

A Democrat would not support this! And they should ask her about the Chained CPI sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #52

K&R! marym625 Nov 2015 #55

Not exactly a way to win hearts and minds Chico Man Nov 2015 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #76

I trust neither Clinton on the social safety net. They call them "entitlements." AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #82

+10000000 Bill Clinton and Paul Ryan make a chilling pair. CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #83

indeed, they are like vultures AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #90

This again? "Entitlement" has a definition, and Social Security is an entitlement Recursion Nov 2015 #85

"Entitlements" is used pejoratively and inaccurately by the GOP and Third Way. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #89

So then why are you falling for it? Recursion Nov 2015 #91

So why are you denying using the term is a GOP/Third Way construct? AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #92

Because you're making that up. Recursion Nov 2015 #93

Again (and finally) it's not an entitlement, it's an earned benefit bought & paid for. eom AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #94

Which is what "entitlement" means Recursion Nov 2015 #95

Yes, but it has more meaning Babel_17 Nov 2015 #109

Maybe because they feel she would be more effective at preserving lovemydog Nov 2015 #84

She hasn't even said she wants to expand it. I believe she wants to privatize it to make rhett o rick Nov 2015 #103

I want to expand it too. lovemydog Nov 2015 #104

Probably because we believe that Sanders would be incapable of doing anything in office.... Walk away Nov 2015 #86

And Clinton with Republicon help will be most effective for the 1%. I stand with the 50 million rhett o rick Nov 2015 #96

A Mystery To Many Citizens cantbeserious Nov 2015 #102

My gut reaction, she is not trustworthy, she moves whichever way the wind blows. nt slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #105

The simple answer is nothing will get done madville Nov 2015 #108

Kick UglyGreed Nov 2015 #110

Because they are basically Right Wingers. "Moderate Republicans" past their sell-by date. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #111

I had a DUer tell me "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism" zappaman Nov 2015 #112