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MrMickeysMom

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36. I think you need to discern "won't vote for 3rd way" from "hate her"...

Mon Nov 23, 2015, 10:27 PM

Nov 2015

I've been saying over and over that it's not hate. It's "I will NOT vote for her". I've even qualified why for years here. That opinion should not be confused with hating her.

If I call her a war monger or dishonest, I'm pretty sure I don't like her for a candidate. That is not hate.

I take offense to your assumption that one is equal to the other. I can't account for assholes like Tucker Carlson. I CAN account for people who say her policies and what she's done to spin what she's previously said to become more desirable after a poll shows it is one way or another as a reason NOT to support her.

I do not trust her. I do not trust people campaigning ideas that include the use double talk, or vague reasoning to make what they say sound exactly like their opponents.

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Hating Hillary: The One Thing Left and Right Men Can Agree On [View all] ismnotwasm Nov 2015 OP

Yeah, but all of the Hillary haters at DU are from the Left. onehandle Nov 2015 #1

. BootinUp Nov 2015 #17

Well, I certainly HOPE so ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #18

I think they PRETEND to be from the left, lots of 'em. nt MADem Nov 2015 #106

Or...... Phlem Nov 2015 #2

Valid policy disagreements must be labled as "hate" so as to dismiss them in advance. arcane1 Nov 2015 #4

You don't think Hillary has experienced misogyny disguised as "criticism"? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #9

I said no such thing, and you know it n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #13

I was asking for clarification ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #14

I think she has indeed experienced sexist-based criticism. arcane1 Nov 2015 #23

Then you would probably agree with the article ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #26

I'm in much more agreement with the content than the headline n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #64

Yeah the headline is misleading when I think about it ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #72

There is broad-brushing coming from every direction, even the directions we each favor. arcane1 Nov 2015 #80

That's for sure ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #130

Many whine about sexism but many Hillary haters love warren! Explain that! Nt Logical Nov 2015 #51

Oooops....... Fuddnik Nov 2015 #109

The hate for Clinton on the left goes way back. Buzz cook Nov 2015 #118

Excellent analysis! mcar Nov 2015 #123

I do. But I also see attempts to shut down any criticism of HRC with "misogynist man Hillary-hate!" Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #144

I'm a woman, 72 years old, and I think that Hillary is a mediocre politician and a conservative. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #151

*Mic drop* Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #24

I dislike conservatives of all genders and parties Doctor_J Nov 2015 #68

I also like these paragraphs ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #3

Maybe that line would sell better before the boilerplate Neocon speech she gave a few days ago. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #5

You just hush ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #10

Ah, an insightful, measured, policy-focused response. We thank you. n/t JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #28

Who is this "we" of whom you speak? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #30

The internet masses. JonLeibowitz Nov 2015 #31

Tch. ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #37

Nah, that's not silly. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #45

No you jumping on a thread addressing sexism is silly. ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #50

It's a thread about Hillary Clinton, in GD-P. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #54

Now now ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #55

I did. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #58

I did ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #60

Why don't you tell us what was so neocon about it? BainsBane Nov 2015 #41

Show me where I "lied about my age", first. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #48

Suggesting the President go to congress for authorization is neoconservative? BainsBane Nov 2015 #77

eh, believe what you want. You think "I hit the wrong button" was me being "sheepish" Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #79

Whatever. Answer the question about neoconservatives. BainsBane Nov 2015 #88

I did. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #115

The clear intent is to present her as like the Bush administration BainsBane Nov 2015 #136

and I explained why, didn't I? Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #143

Hillary is fairly hawkish. Those who are supporting her in the primary should just admit it. phleshdef Nov 2015 #92

Yeah, I don't dispute that BainsBane Nov 2015 #99

Well "neocon" use to mean the PNAC crew... but now its become kind of a synonym for hawks. phleshdef Nov 2015 #102

The intent is to lump her in with PNAC BainsBane Nov 2015 #107

A lot of people here think "progressive" is a synonym for liberal, and they think MADem Nov 2015 #112

I've been seeing Thatcher mentioned on this board mcar Nov 2015 #74

Wow. So "has a different preference" = hate.. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #6

I also like this paragraph ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #11

I would vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat... TheProgressive Nov 2015 #7

Please don't say that in this context. frazzled Nov 2015 #82

It's nothing like that. EndElectoral Nov 2015 #150

It's not exactly like that. Wilms Nov 2015 #8

Now that's quite clever. ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #12

Plus, everyone likes kittens. :D Wilms Nov 2015 #16

True! ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #19

Ain't that the truth MaggieD Nov 2015 #15

OK then, Twilight zone time and I'm out! Phlem Nov 2015 #20

You are hurting my feelings ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #22

It's actually a pretty awesome article ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #21

" a rampaging, pantsuited giantess the size of a skyscraper"...LOL! ...Hey, politics, ain't beanbag. reformist2 Nov 2015 #25

The topic is misogyny ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #27

+1 MaggieD Nov 2015 #34

Pffft. Hillary has been front and center her whole life. LuvLoogie Nov 2015 #67

I disagree. I favor Bernie but would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat. kimbutgar Nov 2015 #29

Then you don't have Hillary hate ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #33

Except no one here is saying stupid shit like that ibegurpard Nov 2015 #32

Nobody? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #35

I think you need to discern "won't vote for 3rd way" from "hate her"... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #36

Then you don't have Hillary hate ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #38

Thanks for your confirmation... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #40

Well I'll give you a hint ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #49

Indeed, it is! MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #53

You betcha! ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #56

I'm with this person. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #97

I am a man kenn3d Nov 2015 #39

Oh- OH! There is absolutely NO need to apologize ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #44

Lol Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #65

Yeah, there hadn't been enough bullshit smeared on DU recently. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #42

No? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #47

You have been busy. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #52

Not really ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #62

Except it's NOT "bullshit". Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #69

That sexism is denied amazes me ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #71

Yes, it's utterly impossible for my feeble male brain to understand my own thought processes. jeff47 Nov 2015 #76

Yep, that's exactly what I said! Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #78

Yeah, thoughts like sexism have nothing to do with thoughts. jeff47 Nov 2015 #81

Tell me jeff - Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #83

Reply 69 and 78 jeff47 Nov 2015 #84

See? Misdirection. Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #87

Quoting your own words is misdirection. jeff47 Nov 2015 #89

Lol. Okay. Whatever you say. Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #90

Hey look! It's another post where you claim to do my thinking for me! jeff47 Nov 2015 #94

Agreed. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #100

Hate: such a strong word and I don't feel that Jarqui Nov 2015 #43

Then you don't have Hillary hate ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #46

It will be good to see those who refuse to vote Democratic redstateblues Nov 2015 #66

Yeah ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #70

Also from the article: Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #57

I can honestly say I no longer get mad at Sanders. ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #59

good for you. Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #61

Ain't THAT the truth ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #63

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #73

Have you, gulp, actually SEEN such a creature? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #75

no! it's the devil's joystick! blocking us from applauding things like the TPP or preparing to send MisterP Nov 2015 #85

Oh dear ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #104

Yep-it has absolutely nothing to do with her Wall Street Love. jalan48 Nov 2015 #86

I am man. I am on the left. I highly respect Hillary Clinton... still voting for Bernie, sorry. phleshdef Nov 2015 #91

Good for you! ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #110

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #93

LOL, what? Bernie does absolutely nothing for my "willy". phleshdef Nov 2015 #95

Hmmm. If she gets into the WH won't Bill Clinton be there jwirr Nov 2015 #96

Wow, that doesn't sounds like a very strong candidate for a general election. fbc Nov 2015 #98

If Democrats don't vote for her ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #108

Not to mention so-called "left" women too! George II Nov 2015 #101

Yeah I added that caveat ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #133

Widespread hatred of Hillary will lead to a Rubio victory. BenGrimm Nov 2015 #103

I'm pretty sure you're wrong ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #105

Well duh! If a man doesn't like Hillary, MannyGoldstein Nov 2015 #111

What about women who hate endless war and unaccountable banksters? eridani Nov 2015 #113

Yes they certainly are and were ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #128

Only if your main qualification for POTUS is that she be a woman n/t eridani Nov 2015 #149

Disagree with her = hate AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #114

No ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #129

Of course hate is hate, but... AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #134

Oh look: it's yet another instance of the gender card being played. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #116

I have read many of these vile comments on DU over last few months. riversedge Nov 2015 #120

Case in point: the above. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #140

Reading the article before commenting is a GOOD thing! ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #125

Thanks for the break. No and no. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #141

I'm a man and a leftist. I don't hate Hillary I just think she's unfit to hold public office. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #117

Hmm ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #126

It maybe more effective silenttigersong Nov 2015 #119

Wait, Wut? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #132

Kick & highly recommended! William769 Nov 2015 #121

So both the left and the right hate her, but some still insist that she's electable. Weird. Scuba Nov 2015 #122

Oh dear ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #127

I won't be voting for hrs in the primaries... smiley Nov 2015 #124

Okey dokey ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #131

Complete bull. Sexist labels don't stick. Have fun trying. Fearless Nov 2015 #135

Don't worry if Bernie doesn't win the primary I would be voting for the first Female President Lans Nov 2015 #137

The sexist rhetoric is blatant and they are becoming more an more comfortable.... NCTraveler Nov 2015 #138

Yes, it is all fun and play with the sexist comments and slurs and insults, until someone pokes seabeyond Nov 2015 #146

You've been trying to shoe-horn this one in for some time, haven't you? Romulox Nov 2015 #139

And you are? ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #148

I agree that misogyny and sexism are alive and well Flying Squirrel Nov 2015 #142

If it makes any difference... Chan790 Nov 2015 #145

Now that I believe ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #147

She's not my first choice of candidates. JonathanRackham Nov 2015 #152

I think Hillary supporters have a bit of an ego-complex when it comes to Hillary. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author Shankapotomus Nov 2015 #154

I don't hate Hillary Clinton. I don't fucking KNOW her. I just don't want her to be my President. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #155