2016 Postmortem

moobu2

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158. It wont work because Bernie Sanders can not get elected.

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:17 PM

Nov 2015

And even if he managed to get himself elected, or hell froze over, there would be such a backlash that the 2010 midterms would look like a win for Democrats. A Bernie Sanders presidency would actually be a setback even for his own supporters for a generation and Republicans would have a 4 year party. It wouldn't work out like you people have deluded yourself into thinking it would. But we wont have to worry about him winning because he can't.

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�Medicare for All� would cover everyone, save billions in first year: new study [View all] pinebox Nov 2015 OP

So how much does each individual pay for this? upaloopa Nov 2015 #1

less than the are now restorefreedom Nov 2015 #9

Way out of date info. LynnTTT Nov 2015 #66

Yes, these numbers are very low, hughee99 Nov 2015 #106

The BIGGER QUESTION is how much will CEO's lose? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #10

Well that's what the voters want to know isn't it? upaloopa Nov 2015 #11

Definately a big concern for 4 or 5 of them LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #23

You want to know this? JeffHead Nov 2015 #94

It's very troubling DeeDeeNY Nov 2015 #136

Blind party ideology? Dcoast Nov 2015 #160

Bernie is running as a Democrat DeeDeeNY Nov 2015 #165

If I could fave you comment, I would! pinebox Nov 2015 #148

But the socialisms don't work!!!11 pinebox Nov 2015 #155

+1, thanks dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #171

AMEN!!! HEAR, HEAR!!! Moostache Nov 2015 #34

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #81

And people will use preventative health care instead of waiting until it's so bad they have to go cui bono Nov 2015 #88

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #37

It's a payment system so you can get healthcare. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2015 #83

And so is the current insurance model ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #85

Well, sorta zipplewrath Nov 2015 #103

Thank you ... he was being obtuse ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2015 #134

Good to keep reminding the naysayers of the difference. n/t JimDandy Nov 2015 #170

Insurance CEOs collect unemployment insurance Jarqui Nov 2015 #40

or 'the medical industrial complex'. pansypoo53219 Nov 2015 #101

yes, what about the CHILDREN (I mean trust fund babies given overpaid sinecures)? yurbud Nov 2015 #143

on target mtasselin Nov 2015 #145

Yes, the profits going to Health Ins. Corps take money out of the system, and people sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #149

You will note, the person knew. Android3.14 Nov 2015 #14

Here you go pinebox Nov 2015 #16

So why didn't Bernie push for the 9.5% tax to pay for VT'S single payer? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #22

As I said earlier pinebox Nov 2015 #25

This was a national issue. Bernie said it was the "model for the nation." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #31

No you're misunderstanding pinebox Nov 2015 #43

As senator, Hillary pushed for funding 911 first responders healthcare and got $21 Billion for NY. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #53

She was using federal money to do it. Not state money. The Vermont plan LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #56

How do you think federal single payer would be funded? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #59

Good pinebox Nov 2015 #77

Why are you attacking the ACA, when it has saved thousands of lives and is a great Dem achievement? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #87

It's a half assed Dem achievement pinebox Nov 2015 #151

We do need to do a lot more. So why would Bernie repeat that state provision? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #153

In fairness ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #46

I have yet to see any quote from Bernie urging Vermonters to support the tax. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #50

I was trying to be polite ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #57

But that is not the VT formula. Aren't you quoting HR 676? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #61

I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #64

That's what I thought. You were quoting HR 676, not VT's law. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #67

Why is Hillary against single-payer? cui bono Nov 2015 #90

Why can't you answer my question? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #92

Why are you asking the question? n/t cui bono Nov 2015 #109

I asked first. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #112

Actually ... Here is a good primer on the Bill ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #32

HR 676 is not Bernie's bill. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #96

Under ACA, they are administering insurane coverage right now. eridani Nov 2015 #111

Under the ACA the plans must meet national standards. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #113

Yes, standards that suck eridani Nov 2015 #115

No, ACA requires free preventive care, including colonoscopies, without a copay. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #119

If you want to check out a worrisome symptom, that is NOT preventative care eridani Nov 2015 #125

But you will have coverage for illness, with copays. Free dental care is available for the poor. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #127

Chris Christie is already implementing ACA--to the extent that he is willing eridani Nov 2015 #128

The problem with that is: bvar22 Nov 2015 #163

Know what really sucks? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #166

EXACTLY! bvar22 Nov 2015 #167

Hillary got 8 million poor kids covered under CHIP. She knows how to do it. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #168

Good, campaign Boilerplate. bvar22 Nov 2015 #169

IIRC, HR 676 was Kucinich and Conyers Plan. bvar22 Nov 2015 #150

Have you ever had to go without healthcare when you got sick because you couldn't pay? i have! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #36

I pay a shitload into the current system. Beartracks Nov 2015 #84

A lot MaggieD Nov 2015 #99

They're talking about the formula for HR 676, and it's easy. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #100

Do you have an opinion on this issue? Or just here to ask insinuating questions? rhett o rick Nov 2015 #104

I was paying $900/month for catastrophic coverage before I turned 65 eridani Nov 2015 #110

I had one of those rip-off "Catastophic Coverage" Plans too. bvar22 Nov 2015 #161

How much do you or your employer pay for your health insurance now? Cleita Nov 2015 #126

We now pay per capita about twice the average that other developed nations pay. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #132

I'm not going to hold my breath for your apology. Javaman Nov 2015 #162

IT's been know for more than 2 years hootinholler Nov 2015 #2

But the disease profiteers would lose money. nt valerief Nov 2015 #3

Well, then they'll just have to get a second job! KansDem Nov 2015 #6

We can't have that. nt LWolf Nov 2015 #8

Yeah, it will suck not being paid $58,000/day that these Health insurance CEOs rake in. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #24

Including doctors? taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #28

You KNOW I don't mean medical practitioners. They're disease treaters, not disease valerief Nov 2015 #41

Not sure about that. They profit from questionable testing, drugs, surgeries, etc. But I get your Hoyt Nov 2015 #105

Look on the bright side... Moostache Nov 2015 #44

Ha. They pay people to pull their bootstraps. nt valerief Nov 2015 #45

Medicare for all, including dental, optical, hearing aids and mental health services. Scuba Nov 2015 #4

If that takes the place of Medicaid then we are already jwirr Nov 2015 #18

Agreed ... This is a good plan ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #52

Not only can we afford it, we cannot afford not to have it!!! AlbertCat Nov 2015 #60

But Hillary supports the insurance industry and it is her turn. JEB Nov 2015 #5

Sure it is SmittynMo Nov 2015 #65

Here's a link. Wilms Nov 2015 #7

k&r. . . . . . .n/t annabanana Nov 2015 #12

We don't have health care insurance!!! SmittynMo Nov 2015 #13

One thing Andy823 Nov 2015 #15

While true pinebox Nov 2015 #17

FDR used Executive Orders and the bully pulpit heavily when he implemented the New Deal AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #51

Bernies says he must take it to the people. Get them informed on the savings. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #82

but then Americans would like it, and get mad at the people who'd blocked it for so long, and they MisterP Nov 2015 #19

Bernie needs to work this info in all his speeches moving forward. SmittynMo Nov 2015 #20

Expanding medicare and removing the wealth cap d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #21

Speaking from the Great White North LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #26

The Great White North does not listen to Fox News 24/7. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #62

Here's the problem with America and health care pinebox Nov 2015 #156

What is the impact to doctor pay? taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #27

If she is a specialist, she might make too much money. If she is a GP, probably not enough. randys1 Nov 2015 #30

It might affect her revenue ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #54

Doctors in other countries TM99 Nov 2015 #58

They probably don't invest 350k into their own business taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #68

They certainly don't have the education loan debt TM99 Nov 2015 #73

Link? randys1 Nov 2015 #29

Oh come on.....rather demanding aren't you? George II Nov 2015 #35

I assumed it was on oversight, why would the OP intentionally leave it out? randys1 Nov 2015 #39

I guess because it is not actually describing Bernie's plan and they want to imply it is. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #95

You might wish to know Thespian2 Nov 2015 #118

I'm sure none of your provinces are run by Sam Brownback or Chris Christie types. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #120

You're right... Thespian2 Nov 2015 #121

I would support that as long as the current 20% co-pay is eliminated. totodeinhere Nov 2015 #33

20% medicare copay? I am not familiar with the details, is that what the randys1 Nov 2015 #42

Yes, that is correct. That's what a Medigap policy will pay. If you are poor enough totodeinhere Nov 2015 #74

So , if you know, the 20% is for hospital stays only? randys1 Nov 2015 #78

The co-pay doesn't apply to hospital stays. jeff47 Nov 2015 #49

OK, thanks for the correction. But you get my point. 20% of a doctor's bill can be a lot totodeinhere Nov 2015 #75

The structure of the Bill calls for eliminating deductibles, copayments, coinsurance, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #55

Thanks. Then that would address my concerns. n/t totodeinhere Nov 2015 #76

But the very wealthy would lose money, and making rich people richer is the most important valerief Nov 2015 #38

"Job creators" PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #47

The Health Insurance Industry... bvar22 Nov 2015 #70

+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #138

But Trumps kids might get it too! AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #48

K & R! SoapBox Nov 2015 #63

It would be wonderful. Too bad so many democrats don't want want it. Autumn Nov 2015 #69

You want that. I want that. MineralMan Nov 2015 #71

So do I! So do I! So let's get busy! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #79

The Democrats we elected in 2008 didn't even try bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #89

I don't believe that. Not for a moment. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #91

Bullshit. 99Forever Nov 2015 #137

HR 676 bkkyosemite Nov 2015 #72

K&R! There is no good argument against adopting single payer in the USA. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #80

kick Angry Dragon Nov 2015 #86

Hillary-style "progressives" are whining about their taxes possibly going up. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #93

LINK: Triana Nov 2015 #97

It's not a new study, which is why you left out the link, right? MaggieD Nov 2015 #98

but .. but .. the poor, "given" good health will just squander it. /s/nt NCjack Nov 2015 #102

Save billions for working people, sure Doctor_J Nov 2015 #107

And some people in the Democratic Party are against this why? blackspade Nov 2015 #108

K&R CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #114

Kick! nt LiberalElite Nov 2015 #116

K&R. I've certainly wanted this for decades now. Overseas Nov 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #122

Yours is an excellent post also! -none Nov 2015 #141

And we're already paying into it now, it wouldnt be much of an adjustment 7962 Nov 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #124

Private insurance takes in $960B and pays out $850B Recursion Nov 2015 #129

Yes it would cover all, but it's not "savings" to pay a provider... MadDAsHell Nov 2015 #130

Bookmarked! Thanks. K&R. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #131

Medicare is NOT single payer. It contains aspects of Single Payer, but strickly speaking it isn't still_one Nov 2015 #133

K&R nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #135

Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #139

Canada covers everybody...... WcoastO Nov 2015 #140

We just don't understand Universal Heathcare MonteSS Nov 2015 #142

The German system I am familar with pinebox Nov 2015 #157

Low overhead, no profit taking, even coverage, no games senz Nov 2015 #144

BIG K and R n/t 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #146

Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Nov 2015 #147

The only problem is trickle down socialism doesn't work. moobu2 Nov 2015 #152

"Trickle down socialism"? Are you a nutter? pinebox Nov 2015 #154

It wont work because Bernie Sanders can not get elected. moobu2 Nov 2015 #158

Oh ok so just give up and forget fighting for something? Quite the strategy pinebox Nov 2015 #159

That might come in handy for all the ex-insurance employees dumped onto the job market. Orsino Nov 2015 #164