2016 Postmortem

pinebox

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159. Oh ok so just give up and forget fighting for something? Quite the strategy

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:24 PM

Nov 2015

And yet you think Hillary, the most polarizing figure in all of politics (Palin is second by the way) is suddenly going to wave a magic wand and get shit done? Really? They're already talking about impeaching her on her first day in office, where have you been? Yet, Republicans like Bernie;

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-lifelong-conservatives-who-love-bernie-sanders/417441/
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/09/conservatives_bernie_sanders_lovefest_why_the_right_has_the_hots_for_a_prickly_socialist/
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/32391-why-republicans-vote-for-bernie
http://socialnewsdaily.com/57217/republicans-explain-why-they-feelthebern/

Sorry but you're reality is a parallel universe so you support a candidate who is completely moving to the right and whose plan leaves millions uninsured because she wants to expand the ACA which uses Medicaid, a state issue. You're defending the status quo where people in this country are STILL dying because they don't have access to the health care they need to save their lives.

That is exactly what you're doing. You're scared of change.

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�Medicare for All� would cover everyone, save billions in first year: new study [View all] pinebox Nov 2015 OP

So how much does each individual pay for this? upaloopa Nov 2015 #1

less than the are now restorefreedom Nov 2015 #9

Way out of date info. LynnTTT Nov 2015 #66

Yes, these numbers are very low, hughee99 Nov 2015 #106

The BIGGER QUESTION is how much will CEO's lose? Cosmic Kitten Nov 2015 #10

Well that's what the voters want to know isn't it? upaloopa Nov 2015 #11

Definately a big concern for 4 or 5 of them LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #23

You want to know this? JeffHead Nov 2015 #94

It's very troubling DeeDeeNY Nov 2015 #136

Blind party ideology? Dcoast Nov 2015 #160

Bernie is running as a Democrat DeeDeeNY Nov 2015 #165

If I could fave you comment, I would! pinebox Nov 2015 #148

But the socialisms don't work!!!11 pinebox Nov 2015 #155

+1, thanks dreamnightwind Nov 2015 #171

AMEN!!! HEAR, HEAR!!! Moostache Nov 2015 #34

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #81

And people will use preventative health care instead of waiting until it's so bad they have to go cui bono Nov 2015 #88

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #37

It's a payment system so you can get healthcare. Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2015 #83

And so is the current insurance model ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #85

Well, sorta zipplewrath Nov 2015 #103

Thank you ... he was being obtuse ... Fantastic Anarchist Nov 2015 #134

Good to keep reminding the naysayers of the difference. n/t JimDandy Nov 2015 #170

Insurance CEOs collect unemployment insurance Jarqui Nov 2015 #40

or 'the medical industrial complex'. pansypoo53219 Nov 2015 #101

yes, what about the CHILDREN (I mean trust fund babies given overpaid sinecures)? yurbud Nov 2015 #143

on target mtasselin Nov 2015 #145

Yes, the profits going to Health Ins. Corps take money out of the system, and people sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #149

You will note, the person knew. Android3.14 Nov 2015 #14

Here you go pinebox Nov 2015 #16

So why didn't Bernie push for the 9.5% tax to pay for VT'S single payer? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #22

As I said earlier pinebox Nov 2015 #25

This was a national issue. Bernie said it was the "model for the nation." SunSeeker Nov 2015 #31

No you're misunderstanding pinebox Nov 2015 #43

As senator, Hillary pushed for funding 911 first responders healthcare and got $21 Billion for NY. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #53

She was using federal money to do it. Not state money. The Vermont plan LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #56

How do you think federal single payer would be funded? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #59

Good pinebox Nov 2015 #77

Why are you attacking the ACA, when it has saved thousands of lives and is a great Dem achievement? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #87

It's a half assed Dem achievement pinebox Nov 2015 #151

We do need to do a lot more. So why would Bernie repeat that state provision? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #153

In fairness ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #46

I have yet to see any quote from Bernie urging Vermonters to support the tax. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #50

I was trying to be polite ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #57

But that is not the VT formula. Aren't you quoting HR 676? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #61

I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #64

That's what I thought. You were quoting HR 676, not VT's law. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #67

Why is Hillary against single-payer? cui bono Nov 2015 #90

Why can't you answer my question? nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #92

Why are you asking the question? n/t cui bono Nov 2015 #109

I asked first. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #112

Actually ... Here is a good primer on the Bill ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #32

HR 676 is not Bernie's bill. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #96

Under ACA, they are administering insurane coverage right now. eridani Nov 2015 #111

Under the ACA the plans must meet national standards. nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #113

Yes, standards that suck eridani Nov 2015 #115

No, ACA requires free preventive care, including colonoscopies, without a copay. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #119

If you want to check out a worrisome symptom, that is NOT preventative care eridani Nov 2015 #125

But you will have coverage for illness, with copays. Free dental care is available for the poor. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #127

Chris Christie is already implementing ACA--to the extent that he is willing eridani Nov 2015 #128

The problem with that is: bvar22 Nov 2015 #163

Know what really sucks? SunSeeker Nov 2015 #166

EXACTLY! bvar22 Nov 2015 #167

Hillary got 8 million poor kids covered under CHIP. She knows how to do it. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #168

Good, campaign Boilerplate. bvar22 Nov 2015 #169

IIRC, HR 676 was Kucinich and Conyers Plan. bvar22 Nov 2015 #150

Have you ever had to go without healthcare when you got sick because you couldn't pay? i have! Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #36

I pay a shitload into the current system. Beartracks Nov 2015 #84

A lot MaggieD Nov 2015 #99

They're talking about the formula for HR 676, and it's easy. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #100

Do you have an opinion on this issue? Or just here to ask insinuating questions? rhett o rick Nov 2015 #104

I was paying $900/month for catastrophic coverage before I turned 65 eridani Nov 2015 #110

I had one of those rip-off "Catastophic Coverage" Plans too. bvar22 Nov 2015 #161

How much do you or your employer pay for your health insurance now? Cleita Nov 2015 #126

We now pay per capita about twice the average that other developed nations pay. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #132

I'm not going to hold my breath for your apology. Javaman Nov 2015 #162

IT's been know for more than 2 years hootinholler Nov 2015 #2

But the disease profiteers would lose money. nt valerief Nov 2015 #3

Well, then they'll just have to get a second job! KansDem Nov 2015 #6

We can't have that. nt LWolf Nov 2015 #8

Yeah, it will suck not being paid $58,000/day that these Health insurance CEOs rake in. SammyWinstonJack Nov 2015 #24

Including doctors? taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #28

You KNOW I don't mean medical practitioners. They're disease treaters, not disease valerief Nov 2015 #41

Not sure about that. They profit from questionable testing, drugs, surgeries, etc. But I get your Hoyt Nov 2015 #105

Look on the bright side... Moostache Nov 2015 #44

Ha. They pay people to pull their bootstraps. nt valerief Nov 2015 #45

Medicare for all, including dental, optical, hearing aids and mental health services. Scuba Nov 2015 #4

If that takes the place of Medicaid then we are already jwirr Nov 2015 #18

Agreed ... This is a good plan ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #52

Not only can we afford it, we cannot afford not to have it!!! AlbertCat Nov 2015 #60

But Hillary supports the insurance industry and it is her turn. JEB Nov 2015 #5

Sure it is SmittynMo Nov 2015 #65

Here's a link. Wilms Nov 2015 #7

k&r. . . . . . .n/t annabanana Nov 2015 #12

We don't have health care insurance!!! SmittynMo Nov 2015 #13

One thing Andy823 Nov 2015 #15

While true pinebox Nov 2015 #17

FDR used Executive Orders and the bully pulpit heavily when he implemented the New Deal AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #51

Bernies says he must take it to the people. Get them informed on the savings. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #82

but then Americans would like it, and get mad at the people who'd blocked it for so long, and they MisterP Nov 2015 #19

Bernie needs to work this info in all his speeches moving forward. SmittynMo Nov 2015 #20

Expanding medicare and removing the wealth cap d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #21

Speaking from the Great White North LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #26

The Great White North does not listen to Fox News 24/7. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #62

Here's the problem with America and health care pinebox Nov 2015 #156

What is the impact to doctor pay? taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #27

If she is a specialist, she might make too much money. If she is a GP, probably not enough. randys1 Nov 2015 #30

It might affect her revenue ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #54

Doctors in other countries TM99 Nov 2015 #58

They probably don't invest 350k into their own business taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #68

They certainly don't have the education loan debt TM99 Nov 2015 #73

Link? randys1 Nov 2015 #29

Oh come on.....rather demanding aren't you? George II Nov 2015 #35

I assumed it was on oversight, why would the OP intentionally leave it out? randys1 Nov 2015 #39

I guess because it is not actually describing Bernie's plan and they want to imply it is. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #95

You might wish to know Thespian2 Nov 2015 #118

I'm sure none of your provinces are run by Sam Brownback or Chris Christie types. SunSeeker Nov 2015 #120

You're right... Thespian2 Nov 2015 #121

I would support that as long as the current 20% co-pay is eliminated. totodeinhere Nov 2015 #33

20% medicare copay? I am not familiar with the details, is that what the randys1 Nov 2015 #42

Yes, that is correct. That's what a Medigap policy will pay. If you are poor enough totodeinhere Nov 2015 #74

So , if you know, the 20% is for hospital stays only? randys1 Nov 2015 #78

The co-pay doesn't apply to hospital stays. jeff47 Nov 2015 #49

OK, thanks for the correction. But you get my point. 20% of a doctor's bill can be a lot totodeinhere Nov 2015 #75

The structure of the Bill calls for eliminating deductibles, copayments, coinsurance, ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #55

Thanks. Then that would address my concerns. n/t totodeinhere Nov 2015 #76

But the very wealthy would lose money, and making rich people richer is the most important valerief Nov 2015 #38

"Job creators" PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #47

The Health Insurance Industry... bvar22 Nov 2015 #70

+1 Absolutely. BeanMusical Nov 2015 #138

But Trumps kids might get it too! AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #48

K & R! SoapBox Nov 2015 #63

It would be wonderful. Too bad so many democrats don't want want it. Autumn Nov 2015 #69

You want that. I want that. MineralMan Nov 2015 #71

So do I! So do I! So let's get busy! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #79

The Democrats we elected in 2008 didn't even try bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #89

I don't believe that. Not for a moment. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #91

Bullshit. 99Forever Nov 2015 #137

HR 676 bkkyosemite Nov 2015 #72

K&R! There is no good argument against adopting single payer in the USA. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #80

kick Angry Dragon Nov 2015 #86

Hillary-style "progressives" are whining about their taxes possibly going up. nt Romulox Nov 2015 #93

LINK: Triana Nov 2015 #97

It's not a new study, which is why you left out the link, right? MaggieD Nov 2015 #98

but .. but .. the poor, "given" good health will just squander it. /s/nt NCjack Nov 2015 #102

Save billions for working people, sure Doctor_J Nov 2015 #107

And some people in the Democratic Party are against this why? blackspade Nov 2015 #108

K&R CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #114

Kick! nt LiberalElite Nov 2015 #116

K&R. I've certainly wanted this for decades now. Overseas Nov 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #122

Yours is an excellent post also! -none Nov 2015 #141

And we're already paying into it now, it wouldnt be much of an adjustment 7962 Nov 2015 #123

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #124

Private insurance takes in $960B and pays out $850B Recursion Nov 2015 #129

Yes it would cover all, but it's not "savings" to pay a provider... MadDAsHell Nov 2015 #130

Bookmarked! Thanks. K&R. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #131

Medicare is NOT single payer. It contains aspects of Single Payer, but strickly speaking it isn't still_one Nov 2015 #133

K&R nt raouldukelives Nov 2015 #135

Kick and R BeanMusical Nov 2015 #139

Canada covers everybody...... WcoastO Nov 2015 #140

We just don't understand Universal Heathcare MonteSS Nov 2015 #142

The German system I am familar with pinebox Nov 2015 #157

Low overhead, no profit taking, even coverage, no games senz Nov 2015 #144

BIG K and R n/t 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #146

Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Nov 2015 #147

The only problem is trickle down socialism doesn't work. moobu2 Nov 2015 #152

"Trickle down socialism"? Are you a nutter? pinebox Nov 2015 #154

It wont work because Bernie Sanders can not get elected. moobu2 Nov 2015 #158

Oh ok so just give up and forget fighting for something? Quite the strategy pinebox Nov 2015 #159

That might come in handy for all the ex-insurance employees dumped onto the job market. Orsino Nov 2015 #164