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brooklynite

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112. So long Elizabeth Warren?

Tue Nov 24, 2015, 05:11 PM

Nov 2015

As for "doing this in an effort to defeat Bernie", I'd say the Democratic electorate is being pretty clear about whom they prefer.

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Hillary supporters are calling single payer health insurance a "pie in the sky" fantasy [View all] Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP

They are a big part of the problem, not the solution. Broward Nov 2015 #1

"Conservatives" like Bernie himself? BainsBane Nov 2015 #5

Political analysis over 5 years old. earthside Nov 2015 #13

What has changed to make single payer more viable now? BainsBane Nov 2015 #20

A Sanders Presidency! earthside Nov 2015 #26

How can a president implement single payer without congressional approval? BainsBane Nov 2015 #41

Still a downer ... earthside Nov 2015 #44

What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? BainsBane Nov 2015 #49

Pragmatism is useful sulphurdunn Nov 2015 #80

I find it amazing that you are arguing against single payer. wow. nt Javaman Nov 2015 #113

All hope is lost. Might as well give up and settle for a Republican president since HRC would be in notadmblnd Nov 2015 #129

I am also, earthside. And how we accomplish this Duval Nov 2015 #117

pandering? DaveT Nov 2015 #74

There's the difference right there Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #82

Sanders has already conceded that it's not possible Sheepshank Nov 2015 #94

He says it is possible Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #118

Yeah, and by even the most generous estimates the next POTUS will have to contend with a Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #124

That is a question nobody wants to answer, because the answer is toxic: arcane1 Nov 2015 #126

This right here. n/t ms liberty Nov 2015 #153

I'd rather support a candidate... CoffeeCat Nov 2015 #138

Back then no one wanted to hurt the insurance or pharma companies LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #36

That doesn't address my question BainsBane Nov 2015 #42

We're gonna try to pass single-payer in Colorado next year regardless of who thinks it's viable now Turn CO Blue Nov 2015 #149

Gee, he was hoping Vermont would demonstrate the point--it didn't. It failed BIG time. MADem Nov 2015 #39

Two things.... George II Nov 2015 #115

OOPS. I guess they forgot that. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #54

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #105

I keep seeing the same people re-cycle this article without connecting to its core concept... MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #111

I remember during the whole HC bill debate that began from some on the 'left' right away. sabrina 1 Nov 2015 #2

What bothers people is that they have to figure upaloopa Nov 2015 #67

What bothers people....we have the rest of the civilized world as examples. We know how it works. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #87

It was a simple sell: Medicare "Part E for Everyone" Kelvin Mace Nov 2015 #84

Hillary will actually fight it ibegurpard Nov 2015 #3

Bernie Sanders on single payer BainsBane Nov 2015 #4

So that's why he wants to help build a mass movement to change that. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #133

Maybe what they're admitting is Hillary isn't a good enough leader to get it done ... Jarqui Nov 2015 #6

Those countries had the electorates to get single payer. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #10

A Democratic controlled Congress wouldn't pass it either Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #22

Democrat controlled? Dont you mean DemocratIC controlled? randys1 Nov 2015 #29

oooooh good catch azurnoir Nov 2015 #43

So democRAT is the preferred way around here now? randys1 Nov 2015 #48

except that is not what he wrote - here's a cut and paste of the comment so you can review azurnoir Nov 2015 #51

Democrat should say Democratically...that is how we used to say it anyway randys1 Nov 2015 #55

no this is about about a rather weak sauce gott-cha type of thing at least IMO azurnoir Nov 2015 #57

No it isn't. Sometimes it's a red flag for a wolf in sheeps clothing. Lil Missy Nov 2015 #130

and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar azurnoir Nov 2015 #136

a slip? treestar Nov 2015 #121

Dont want to think so randys1 Nov 2015 #123

Are you sure? Democrat is a noun and Democratic is an adjective right? Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #125

Always say Democratically controlled, Democratic candidate, etc. This is how it has been said randys1 Nov 2015 #127

I'm not sure about that. It sounds weird to my ears to it that way Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #131

Senator Joseph McCarthy started calling us rats randys1 Nov 2015 #135

I don't know what the hell your talking about Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #137

I was just explaining who started this, whether you are familiar with it or not randys1 Nov 2015 #139

OK no problem. Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #141

THanks and I would never pick on spelling or grammar, I am terrible at both randys1 Nov 2015 #142

Mass movement? upaloopa Nov 2015 #71

perfect Hillary supporter DaveT Nov 2015 #85

How can you predict "facts"? Not having Single Payer is literally letting some Americans rhett o rick Nov 2015 #25

Until a large chunk of America's congressional boundaries are redrawn, at the earliest. Donald Ian Rankin Nov 2015 #34

You have no reason to believe that will happen any time soon. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #92

Rs control both houses in Congress right now. We have a jwirr Nov 2015 #28

It is pie in the sky randys1 Nov 2015 #32

plus a thousand. nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #110

Reality has a liberal bias MaggieD Nov 2015 #50

Those electorates, certainly Canada, was howling "No way!! Commies!!!" Jarqui Nov 2015 #65

Yet he wasn't in 2009 BainsBane Nov 2015 #21

Thanks the article highlights the problem with 3rd wayers and DINO's azurnoir Nov 2015 #46

Huge +1! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #102

To dream the impossible dream... Gary 50 Nov 2015 #109

And in the 90s, Taiwan and South Korea eridani Nov 2015 #150

We are just repeating what Bernie Sanders said. Nice try though. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #7

Does that mean you think it's "pie in the sky"? nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #27

A full blown single payer? I don't see that any time soon, but, BootinUp Nov 2015 #40

At the current rate the ACA will implode before that. My rates went up 33% this year. How rhett o rick Nov 2015 #64

Canada's pie in the sky system mmonk Nov 2015 #8

And it's not just that either pinebox Nov 2015 #9

So the US is incapable of doing something other countries have accomplished? winter is coming Nov 2015 #11

It is "pie in the sky" if Hillary is elected. TIME TO PANIC Nov 2015 #12

They don't sleep at night... smiley Nov 2015 #66

Huge +1! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #95

Two of the three Democratic candidates have issued health care plans w/o Single Payer brooklynite Nov 2015 #14

Which would still leave millions uninunsired pinebox Nov 2015 #16

Which issue would you like not to be addressed while time is spent on Single-Payer? brooklynite Nov 2015 #17

you can't address the uninsured with the ACA pinebox Nov 2015 #148

BOOM goes the dynamite! Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #99

NO, but the health insurance and hospital and RX lobbies are so rich and powerful randys1 Nov 2015 #31

So Martin O'Malley is a sell-out as well? brooklynite Nov 2015 #33

So you think there is NO influence by the BILLIONS in healthcare on a politician randys1 Nov 2015 #38

My opinion is that a thoughful politician knows how much political capital was expended on ACA... brooklynite Nov 2015 #45

and so is the candidate they support azurnoir Nov 2015 #47

Well, once again, if the GOP gets to decide, you will have NO HC unless you have a job randys1 Nov 2015 #53

except it's already law the GOP tried 45 times to change it and can not azurnoir Nov 2015 #56

So you support the use of RAT...got it...BTW, you need to know that I point this out no matter randys1 Nov 2015 #59

Nice try false accusations can indicate a rather weak position azurnoir Nov 2015 #63

I know I am a first poster reallygosh Nov 2015 #152

When Hillary evolves they'll sing it's praises... think Nov 2015 #15

I saw that. Strange times indeed. Menshunables Nov 2015 #18

Whatever It Takes(tm) arcane1 Nov 2015 #19

The 8 hour work day and voting rights for women were once "Pie in the Sky". Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #23

Thank you. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #96

So is single payer right now treestar Nov 2015 #122

Clintonistas are already maple-baiting MisterP Nov 2015 #24

Hillary's in the bag for Corporate America. senz Nov 2015 #30

Single payer is not health insurance. -none Nov 2015 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Nov 2015 #37

Unpossible. bunnies Nov 2015 #93

Colorado is looking to get single payer, jkbRN Nov 2015 #52

I'd love to see it happen and it should happen, but I don't think it will happen any time soon. Renew Deal Nov 2015 #58

All They Know is the Status Quo- ruffburr Nov 2015 #60

It's called "Republican Lite" politics. jalan48 Nov 2015 #61

Unless Democrats start voting in off year doc03 Nov 2015 #62

Don't forget whining about taxes on the "middle class" ($250,000/year). nt Romulox Nov 2015 #68

Clinton supporters are calling it "pie in the sky" fantasy? blackspade Nov 2015 #69

+100%! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #98

It really is a self-fullfilling prophecy isn't it? They claim it can never happen, so they dont try n8dogg83 Nov 2015 #104

It is only a fantasy to those who support the corporate healthcare system we now have. onecaliberal Nov 2015 #70

Were such HRC supporters FOR single-payer... Beartracks Nov 2015 #72

"Sky?" Canada, UK, Australia, Spain, Taiwan... you say tomato. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #73

So all of Western Europe has had pies in the sky for the past three to seven decades? Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #75

It really is good to know the truth now in case Hillary wins the nomination. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #101

Republicans For Hillary! billhicks76 Nov 2015 #76

Virtually every other developed nation has it. It's a proven, efficient, good way to deliver JDPriestly Nov 2015 #77

How does saying other countries do it upaloopa Nov 2015 #81

If other countries do it, and they like it (Germany has had single payer or national health JDPriestly Nov 2015 #89

Hmm...what could be the difference between... brooklynite Nov 2015 #91

The support of the people can even overcome the influence of gifts of money by the profiteers. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #108

So long Elizabeth Warren? brooklynite Nov 2015 #112

Just keep it up. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #114

Ir the Kaiser is stupid and negqtive, there is no hope. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #140

Go Big or Go Home Dcoast Nov 2015 #78

Worry About Your Own Candidate Gamecock Lefty Nov 2015 #79

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!! n/t tazkcmo Nov 2015 #154

Because they are corporate conservatives by comparison SHRED Nov 2015 #83

How very Third Way of them. AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #86

How do you get it? What is Bernie's plan to make it happen? Rose Siding Nov 2015 #88

Mass mobilization aka political revolution Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #132

So I've heard but that's pretty vague Rose Siding Nov 2015 #146

That sounds like a Republican response, not a Democratic response. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #90

Right. If Slovenia can do it, so can we. grahamhgreen Nov 2015 #97

Don't fret about that Gman Nov 2015 #100

DLC/Third Wayers said the same thing about gay marriage in 2007-2008, and earlier. Zorra Nov 2015 #103

How? upaloopa Nov 2015 #106

Bullshit. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #107

She or her supporters are on the wrong side of this. Duval Nov 2015 #116

Wow...just frickin' wow... Hepburn Nov 2015 #119

It is until Congress is made up of people treestar Nov 2015 #120

You mean majority? darkangel218 Nov 2015 #128

Because evan the democrats treestar Nov 2015 #145

Yah sure. Lol darkangel218 Nov 2015 #147

It is true. That is why no public option treestar Nov 2015 #155

Think what you want. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #156

I was just about to start a thread with the exact same title. Hillary want us to settle for less. reformist2 Nov 2015 #134

I mean look, it's true we can't pass single payer right now, that's why we need to organize Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 #144

K&R! Segami Nov 2015 #143

HRC Supporters Are Doing The Bidding Of Their Ideological Masters cantbeserious Nov 2015 #151

Didn't we vote for pie in the sky in 2008 and 2012? Baitball Blogger Nov 2015 #157