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AOR

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49. I think you already know what's incorrect in your thinking...
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 10:18 PM
Nov 2015

it's called cognitive dissonance. The fight for real leftist change in human social relations can never be reconciled with any form of capitalism. The end result of capitalism will always be oppression and exploitation of workers and the complete degradation of the working class in the long run. So thoroughly do you identify with "some different type of capitalism" - as the only way forward - that you take any criticism of that stance as a personal affront. Leftist politics is not about what YOU think is real in the subjective. Leftist politics is about what's real and what isn't in objective material and historical reality. Capitalism can never provide an equitable distribution of production and resources in a way that takes care of the population as A WHOLE. That is the bottom line and there is no historical narrative that proves otherwise as evidenced by the impoverishment and the death of millions on the ground throughout the history of capitalist social relations.

The only thing idiotic here was your absurd premise that -- "We will have a new and improved capitalism that is nothing like the old capitalism and from there our movement will grow and lift the boats of the dispossessed and oppressed throughout the lands." There is a difference between calling you an idiot personally and calling your ridiculous illusions idiotic. Whether you're an idiot or not is irrelevant. That's a criticism of a bankrupt ideology and your inability to reconcile that fantasy with material reality and not you as a person. It is not possible to reconcile your vision - of "a new type of capitalism" that will "save humanity" - when the entire history of capitalism proves that to be a false notion.

It is also reality that the New Deal and the "middle class prosperity" - that some realized for a short period - was nothing more than a bribe and crumbs thrown from the capitalists to keep the working class in line and pacified. If Sanders wants to get out a message... he needs to address and start talking about working class political power and put this feel good "help for the middle class" bullshit to rest. The middle-class is a decomposing social structure that was nothing more than a few decades long aberration in capitalist social relations that lifted SOME and certainly not ALL. Capitalism IN ANY FORM makes a "social contract" of what's good for THE WHOLE impossible. A foundation built on the expropriation of labor of the working class (which is the vast majority) and the commons is not a social contract at all.

As far as your block goes... that is on you. Sticking their fingers in their ears to avoid the truth is the easy way out for many who can't take the next step and denounce capitalism as the parasitical scourge on the human condition it is and always has been. I'll leave you with this old bit below from an actual leftist on such matters as it describes such thinking with perfect clarity.


"You know you are a reactionary Philistine when you insist on attaching an adjective to the word "Capitalism", as in "Crony Capitalism", "Financial Capitalism", "Disaster Capitalism", "Shock Capitalism", "Unregulated Capitalism", Private-Equity Capitalism, or that old standby, "Greedy Capitalism". It is Capitalism, pure and simple, and there can be no confusion. What we see is what it is.

Perhaps there was slightly more justification for this jive two decades ago. Today, there is no possibility of a debate. The End of Ideology has itself ended. Instead of bringing "stability" to the world, capitalism has brought depression and fragmentation. Instead of bringing democracy and prosperity to the world, it has wrecked local societies where they hung on by a fingernail. No extended criticism is needed because criticism itself - social, political, and economic - has become a criticism of capitalism.

It has been this way for a long time. In the 19th century, capitalism was that which ripped small holders from the land, chained children to machinery, and pushed entire populations, on threat of extinction, across the surface of the earth. In the first part of the 20th century, Capitalism was synonymous with War and Fascism. Imperialism? Colonialism? Famine? Genocide? All the faces of Capitalism...

They told you that Capitalism changed or can be changed ? They lied.

If you hang your hat on reforming Capitalism, believe that your "freedoms" depend on the continuation of Capitalism, or think that Capitalism is "still preferable to everything else", all it means is that your turn hasn't come yet...

and you speak in the tongues of the reactionary Philistine..."




















WE have become radical. Sanders has stayed the same. DirkGently Nov 2015 #1
heh heh -- you're being too kind -- i told that James Madison Institute jackass that nashville_brook Nov 2015 #15
reform vs revolutionary -- it's what the RW has wrought nashville_brook Nov 2015 #23
I can tell by the vitriol from people not supporting Sanders how scared they really Fawke Em Nov 2015 #2
yep, it's beyond just him being a primary threat - he threatens the status quo nashville_brook Nov 2015 #4
+1 daleanime Nov 2015 #7
Insecurity is as important as inequality starroute Nov 2015 #3
Add to that the hyper-partisanship used to distract us and get us pointing the finger at Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #5
Very well stated, starroute FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #13
Most people are asleep starroute Nov 2015 #18
i have to respond to this tomorrow nashville_brook Nov 2015 #20
we must stop replacing the interests of people with the interests of money nashville_brook Nov 2015 #27
Thanks for this great post Nashville_brook, and great article! sorechasm Nov 2015 #54
^ This is a critical point! n/t DirkGently Nov 2015 #28
"He’s signaling that the social contract has been broken, and it’s our responsibility to fix it." Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #6
Indeed, it cannot be done any other way Demeter Nov 2015 #9
+1 nashville_brook Nov 2015 #21
it's called a social contract for a reason :) nashville_brook Nov 2015 #10
We thought we were being called into service in 2008.. FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #14
yeppers. such a missed opportunity. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #16
Such a critical point. Neither Sanders nor anyone else DirkGently Nov 2015 #11
The only way it can be done, LWolf Nov 2015 #24
BTW if you Google man in the high castle pdf you can read it for free Doctor_J Nov 2015 #8
people might not know if you have Prime Amazon, Man in the High Castle is Free streaming nashville_brook Nov 2015 #22
Amazon's streaming video of The Man In the High Castle is remarkable. hedda_foil Nov 2015 #26
I have Amazon Prime Spirochete Nov 2015 #35
Thank you so much reading it now Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 #30
Youtube The Man in the High Castle by Philip K Dick Audiobook Full Ichingcarpenter Nov 2015 #45
every one should read w0nderer Nov 2015 #12
it' a thought that's always in the back of my mind nashville_brook Nov 2015 #25
Long time ago w0nderer Nov 2015 #34
thankyou for this! gosh, i wonder if civics is taught anymore. nashville_brook Nov 2015 #39
sad isn't it w0nderer Nov 2015 #41
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #17
Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Nov 2015 #19
K&R Babel_17 Nov 2015 #29
totally checking this out! nashville_brook Nov 2015 #31
Ask me again after Mercerism/Dudeism becomes a thing. :) Babel_17 Nov 2015 #32
DURec. bvar22 Nov 2015 #33
A better world is not unimaginable Babel_17 Nov 2015 #36
"the ideal could be made real." DirkGently Nov 2015 #38
That's the second most important thing! Utopian Leftist Nov 2015 #37
Is that satire...? AOR Nov 2015 #40
Not satire, fact. Utopian Leftist Nov 2015 #43
That's very sad that it's not satire... AOR Nov 2015 #44
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Utopian Leftist Nov 2015 #46
I think you already know what's incorrect in your thinking... AOR Nov 2015 #49
Wow. Great article. I hope we can fix this mess. jwirr Nov 2015 #42
me too. thanks! nashville_brook Nov 2015 #48
Thank you silenttigersong Nov 2015 #47
Thank you! burrowowl Nov 2015 #50
i'm simply fascinating by him. i love scifi, and especially love his take on it... nashville_brook Nov 2015 #52
Me too. P K Dick showed incredible foresight as he unraveled his deep neurotic tales. sorechasm Nov 2015 #53
Bookmarking for later, thanks! n/t slipslidingaway Nov 2015 #51
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