2016 Postmortem

senz

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128. Obama cut his ties with Wright to survive the election.

Fri Nov 27, 2015, 01:17 PM

Nov 2015

He had to. Given what we both know about racial politics in America, Obama had no choice.

Hillary, otoh, did not have to jump on the "Obama belongs to an America-hating Black church" swiftboat in order to survive politically. She did it as an option, and her choice to do so was congruent with other other falsehoods about Obama (Muslim, etc.) that she pushed in her DIRTY POOL campaign tactics.

That is the difference. She attempts to destroy her opponents with lies. I have not seen Obama do that. And I have not seen Bernie do it either.

Do not try to dumb this discussion down to "Well he did a bad thing too, so they both did bad things." This is about the willingness to destroy one's opponents with falsehoods.

It's about character. So quit yer wiggling.

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Why did Hillary Clinton attack Jeremiah Wright? [View all] ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 OP

Because she was trying to win firebrand80 Nov 2015 #1

She couldn't win based on her accomplishments and merits? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 #2

Why did Obama distance himself from Wright? firebrand80 Nov 2015 #6

it only exposed her own weakness... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #8

That's not why she lost firebrand80 Nov 2015 #12

it is one of the reasons virtualobserver Nov 2015 #17

Thats why she lost my vote in 2008 left lowrider Nov 2015 #42

Her treatment of Obama influenced my vote. senz Nov 2015 #65

In your opinion, why did she lose? JDPriestly Nov 2015 #94

Obama is an extremely talented campaigner firebrand80 Nov 2015 #118

Her strategy was attack from the right AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #144

She lost because she was so negative AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #143

One of the reasons she lost was because she turned off a lot of black people with her Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2015 #156

So you support using racial swift boating tactics? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2015 #9

By your logic Obama does too firebrand80 Nov 2015 #14

I've never seen Obama swift boat an opponent. senz Nov 2015 #68

My point is Obama threw Wright under the bus firebrand80 Nov 2015 #119

Obama cut his ties with Wright to survive the election. senz Nov 2015 #128

Why did Obama cut ties with ACORN? bvar22 Nov 2015 #149

Obama DID NOT cut ties with ACORN! You are wrong! Congress cut their budget, holding them hostage Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2015 #157

A popular President with a MANDATE for CHANGE? bvar22 Dec 2015 #163

You are wrong! I work for HUD. You are totally WRONG! You don't know how the budget Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2015 #166

Where are your links for Obama's public defense of ACORN? bvar22 Dec 2015 #169

Obama himself said the sermons were "incendiary" "inflammatory" and "appalling." pnwmom Nov 2015 #41

It was a disappointment. artislife Nov 2015 #46

My understanding is that he was a good minister at one point pnwmom Nov 2015 #47

Too bad, because even if they were "hard" to hear artislife Nov 2015 #51

He said "God damn America" in a sermon. pnwmom Nov 2015 #55

Yes, I know he had to distance him because of that phrase artislife Nov 2015 #83

What part of this do you disagree... Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #158

"God damn America." The language was, as Obama said, incendiary, pnwmom Nov 2015 #159

Either black lives matter or they don't. Rev. Wright was clearly stating that, according to the U.S. Luminous Animal Dec 2015 #160

"Obama's characterization of Wright's speech as incendiary was worse than Wright's speech." pnwmom Dec 2015 #161

When everyone was yakking about "what we should do" after 9/11 senz Nov 2015 #78

The entire Middle East from Palistine to Iran had motive to attack us. bvar22 Dec 2015 #164

The RW took Wright's words out of context....SOP virtualobserver Nov 2015 #59

Obama denounced the statements even more than Hillary did. pnwmom Nov 2015 #61

No, it was Hillary's self righteous responses and willingness to use this issue.... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #67

Obama said the statements were "incendiary" "inflammatory" and "appalling." pnwmom Nov 2015 #69

what she said was much worse virtualobserver Nov 2015 #73

Wright's church honored Farrakhan. pnwmom Nov 2015 #79

but she brought it up in the debate.....she wasn't asked about Farrakhan.... virtualobserver Nov 2015 #82

That's how she conducted her campaign. senz Nov 2015 #88

What do you expect? He husband oversaw the execution of a KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #97

And yet Obama instantly hooked up with hateful, incindary anti gay preachers like Caldwell and Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #110

See, this is one reason I don't like Hillary... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #43

Why? Obama also condemned Wright's "incendiary," "inflammatory," and "appalling" statements. pnwmom Nov 2015 #56

Obama was in damage control... tex-wyo-dem Nov 2015 #63

Hillary was asked for her response. What was she supposed to say? pnwmom Nov 2015 #66

You are spot on GitRDun Nov 2015 #74

There was never anything wrong with what Reverend Wright preached, though. Ken Burch Nov 2015 #91

+1 well said ! lunasun Nov 2015 #153

Nnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Nov 2015 #28

Exactly. pangaia Nov 2015 #10

Because Wright said America brought 9/11 upon itself. pnwmom Nov 2015 #45

Ahem - America DID bring 9-11 on itself . . . unless you are willing to overlook the deaths of KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #99

Bin Laden's demands were to remove troops from Saudi Arabia. joshcryer Nov 2015 #107

Au contraire, mon ami. The fatwa OBL issued justifying the KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #125

That was a justification not a demand. joshcryer Nov 2015 #140

And how did attacking Obama from the right work out for her AgingAmerican Nov 2015 #131

She also attacked Obama for saying he'd go after Bin Laden in Pakstain jfern Nov 2015 #3

+1 bvf Nov 2015 #16

+ another 1 senz Nov 2015 #19

This this THIS. kath Nov 2015 #40

+1000 nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #71

You really have to ask Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #4

Her hard-core supporters don't care what she does. senz Nov 2015 #20

ALWAYS, find excuses. SoapBox Nov 2015 #25

one of her supporters claimed TODAY that Sanders will say anything to get votes Doctor_J Nov 2015 #29

That could be gaslighting, paid commenters, or just a mind f*ck. senz Nov 2015 #32

Yeah, they love using Rovian RW tactics such as attacking the opponent with what their own cui bono Nov 2015 #37

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This message was self-deleted by its author senz Nov 2015 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Nov 2015 #53

Seems right. polly7 Nov 2015 #104

You have apparently forgotten, if you ever knew, pnwmom Nov 2015 #49

Maybe it was the same reason President Obama attacked Jeremiah Wright moobu2 Nov 2015 #5

I thought it was just Republicans who attacked Jeremiah Wright. senz Nov 2015 #7

And Barack Obama. moobu2 Nov 2015 #11

Well, since Hill & the Repubs attacked Wright to tear down Obama senz Nov 2015 #18

I love back track dances. leftofcool Nov 2015 #21

Ohh, you again... senz Nov 2015 #22

They seem to be unable to understand the difference notadmblnd Nov 2015 #113

Yep, they think we are not smart Duckhunter935 Nov 2015 #116

As they used to say in those beer commercials rocktivity Nov 2015 #13

She had to in order to win. Did not vote for her. bravenak Nov 2015 #15

She had to in order to win. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #23

You notice where I said I did not vote for her? That stuff is why. bravenak Nov 2015 #24

IOKIYAR/IOKIYHC beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #26

Imagine having to twist yourself into a double pretzel by defending who you are pretending to like cui bono Nov 2015 #44

LOL! beam me up scottie Nov 2015 #48

It is not very difficult. I just think about how I'm a house whatever/have stockholm syndrome and bravenak Nov 2015 #52

It comes naturally to slacktivists. 99Forever Nov 2015 #108

She may or may not be recpetive to Black Liberation Theology, cheapdate Nov 2015 #27

Certainly "God damn the 1%" would be. senz Nov 2015 #35

Oh, I don't know. Hillary Clinton is an intelligent and engaged person. cheapdate Nov 2015 #58

Hillary is a Capitalist. Capitalism works for her and hers. So why KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #102

Since your trying to score points from Jeremiah Wright you should read this... MrWendel Nov 2015 #30

Thanks for the reality check. It wasn't just HRC who denounced Wright. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #57

I am constantly amazed at the ability of oppressed peoples senz Nov 2015 #62

Wright was right! And so was Hughes - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #103

People like Hillary made Wright toxic enough for Obama jfern Nov 2015 #75

Therefore... MrWendel Nov 2015 #93

That's sure how it seemed at the time. polly7 Nov 2015 #101

Wow! is there anything people won't dredge up to smear Clinton? LonePirate Nov 2015 #31

I am a person faithful. 840high Nov 2015 #34

Me too. And I supported Obama's election and reelection. senz Nov 2015 #36

They are trying to portray her as a racist. Beacool Nov 2015 #123

They are trying to portray her as a racist. AlbertCat Nov 2015 #126

Bull. It has nothing to do with her racial attitudes. senz Nov 2015 #129

Rev. Wright is in the rear view mirror of both Hillary and Obama. oasis Nov 2015 #130

For the same reasons Obama called the sermons "incendiary," "inflammatory" and "appalling." pnwmom Nov 2015 #38

+1 /nt nsd Nov 2015 #54

I remember anyone who suggested the 9/11 attacks were blow-back, were accused of the same thing. That Guy 888 Nov 2015 #72

When I watched that sermon, I was nodding my head in agreement. artislife Nov 2015 #50

Me too arikara Nov 2015 #60

There were multiple sermons. You might not have heard the worst. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #64

The repubs used snippets out of several sermons to make it sound senz Nov 2015 #76

Neither Obama nor Clinton could have supported the statements of a minister pnwmom Nov 2015 #77

Rev. Wright wasn't running for anything. senz Nov 2015 #81

The OP asked why Hillary "attacked" Wright. She criticized him for the same reason Obama did. pnwmom Nov 2015 #85

She did NOT senz Nov 2015 #86

Obama said that if he had been in attendance when Wright made some of those pnwmom Nov 2015 #89

+Infinity! - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #105

I always felt bad for Reverend Wright. polly7 Nov 2015 #98

Because her handlers commissioned yet another focus group? MrMickeysMom Nov 2015 #70

Man... I Wish I Would Have Thought About That One... WillyT Nov 2015 #80

For the same reason Obama did: Jeremiah Wright was a self-aggrandizing jerk. nsd Nov 2015 #84

^^^^^ Thread should end right here ^^^^^ JoePhilly Nov 2015 #120

ONLY if you want to reframe the discussion away from Hillary. senz Nov 2015 #132

Bad Hillary, Bad. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #134

Only if ethics and principles matter. senz Nov 2015 #135

Same reason Obama threw him under the bus McCamy Taylor Nov 2015 #87

Exactly!!! Beacool Nov 2015 #122

Never can forgive her Truprogressive85 Nov 2015 #90

Because Hillary is a Goldwater girl. She is slightly to the left of Nixon and slightly to the right Monk06 Nov 2015 #92

Awesome! You should consider making this an OP and elaborating on its themes - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2015 #106

Yup, I strongly encourage that move. Let's see how left we need to be. oasis Nov 2015 #133

whoa!!! wendylaroux Nov 2015 #115

I'm waiting for the "not a Christian!" thing.... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2015 #95

Why? Because she has no ethical standards. An opponent's religion should be sacrosanct. <nt> AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #96

Ummm.... Skidmore Nov 2015 #100

Do or say ANYTHING to try to win. There are no limits or ethics. 99Forever Nov 2015 #109

Hillary is not our Friend madokie Nov 2015 #111

I love the whole "afraid" thing. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #112

It's called politics. Beacool Nov 2015 #114

It's called truth. 99Forever Nov 2015 #117

No, it's called desperation. Beacool Nov 2015 #121

Facts are facts. 99Forever Nov 2015 #124

This whole thread is nonsense. Beacool Nov 2015 #141

Out of hand dismissals don't change truths. 99Forever Nov 2015 #146

Wasn't the pastor used to smear Obama in the 2008 campaign? Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2015 #127

Old news got anything more recent? FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #136

Same reason Bill Clinton attacked Sister Souljah (same reason she'll pull a Sister Souljah on BLM) Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #137

Why does the sun shine? Why Does Hillary say anything? She thought it would win her votes! Bernblu Nov 2015 #138

OTOH: Hillary atends "Prayer Breakfasts" with the "C" Street "Family". bvar22 Nov 2015 #139

I know! What a Republican thing to do. senz Nov 2015 #142

Bingo. jwirr Nov 2015 #150

She thought she was inevitable, plain and simple. You forgot, Never saw that Mr. Obama would win! akbacchus_BC Nov 2015 #145

It's true, Clinton became really annoying in 2008 ecstatic Nov 2015 #147

She's a neoliberal hawk when she's herself jfern Dec 2015 #162

Because she's a typical politician who wants to be President. jalan48 Nov 2015 #148

Because she is totally not into racist demagoguery (anymore). nt Romulox Nov 2015 #151

Kick !!! WillyT Nov 2015 #152

Because he is an idiot. Vattel Nov 2015 #154

She, her husband, and their surrogates thought they could win with RACIST rhetoric. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2015 #155

not relevant to shit today at all. However, Jeremiah Wright did say some crazy, hateful, ericson00 Dec 2015 #165

simple racism Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #167

I thought Jeremiah Wright ended up looking unhinged bigtree Dec 2015 #168

She can't handle the truth Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #170