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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Bernie bragging about Republican support [View all]BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)380. And he's lying.
If a gun shop illegally sells a gun, then that gun shop is liable period.
The PLCAA did away with that. It's why it was the gun industry's numero uno piece of legislation to pass.
From the Slate article that you didn't bother to link to and/or read:
Before the PLCAA, most states imposed some form of tort liability on gun makers and sellers. If a gun manufacturer made an assault rifle that could slaughter dozens of people in a few seconds, for instance, one of its victims might sue the company for negligently making a gun that could foreseeably be used for mass murder. If a gun seller sold a gun to a customer without performing any kind of background checkand then the buyer opened fire on the subwayhis victims might sue that seller for negligently providing a gun to a mentally unstable person. The standards in each state differed, but the bottom line remained the same: Victims of gun violence and their families could recover financially from the people and companies who negligently enabled gun violence.
The PLCAA changed all that. Remarkably, the act wiped out gun liability laws in all 50 states, rendering them invalid except for a handful of narrow exceptions. (So much for states rights.) Thanks to the law, victims of mass shootings are barred from suing the companies that produced a wartime weapon that no civilian could ever need. With few exceptions, victims cannot sue a gun seller for negligently providing a semiautomatic weapon to a lunatic who shoots them in a movie theater. Even if a jury decides a gun maker or seller should be liable, the PLCAA invalidates its verdict. The law tramples upon states rights, juries rights, and fundamental precepts of Americas civil justice system. [font color="red" size="5" face="face"]And it received Bernie Sanders supportin both 2003 (when it was first introduced) and 2005 (when it finally passed).[/font]
The PLCAA changed all that. Remarkably, the act wiped out gun liability laws in all 50 states, rendering them invalid except for a handful of narrow exceptions. (So much for states rights.) Thanks to the law, victims of mass shootings are barred from suing the companies that produced a wartime weapon that no civilian could ever need. With few exceptions, victims cannot sue a gun seller for negligently providing a semiautomatic weapon to a lunatic who shoots them in a movie theater. Even if a jury decides a gun maker or seller should be liable, the PLCAA invalidates its verdict. The law tramples upon states rights, juries rights, and fundamental precepts of Americas civil justice system. [font color="red" size="5" face="face"]And it received Bernie Sanders supportin both 2003 (when it was first introduced) and 2005 (when it finally passed).[/font]
Why are you defending him on this? You should be OUTRAGED. ALL Americans, whose only recourse against powerful, moneyed interests are the courts, should be outraged about this.
I would love to hear what she thinks on this specifically, but she won't say.
But she did say. She was pretty specific about the PLCAA vote during the debates.
"Probably one of the most egregious, wrong, pieces of legislation that ever passed the Congress when it comes to this issue is to protect gun sellers and gun makers from liability," she said in Iowa Oct. 7.
Can't be any more specific than that. It's supported by the fact that she voted AGAINST the PLCAA while Sanders not only voted for it, he continues to defend it and has yet to apologize for that vote. It should tell you everything you need to know about Bernie Sanders' position on the PLCAA.
But again, in the Slate article:
Several liberal congressional representatives have recently spoken out against the PLCAA, and if Democrats retake both houses of Congress, they may make repealing the law a priority.[font color="purple"] Hillary Clinton, who voted against the act as a senator, would almost certainly sign a repeal bill.[/font] Would a President Bernie Sanders? Until he says otherwise, we have every reason to believe the ostensible progressive hero would stand behind the vile legislation he championed just a decade ago.
I hope I helped answer your doubts. Due to this (and Sanders' inability to build allies in Congress despite his 24+ years as one of their colleagues), I wholeheartedly support and will vote for Hillary Clinton, who is the better candidate when it comes to issues I care about.
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If he can pull voters away from the Republicans I would think that is a good thing
Bjorn Against
Nov 2015
#1
I think there are some here that are confusing Republican populists with conservatives...
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#347
And the Clintons danced with the Koch brothers and the DLC who "brung them"!
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#361
And you think that if a few of them vote for Bernie, he'll do their bidding?
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#370
BS! Was he "ignoring" civil rights in the 60's LEADING anti-segregation protests?
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#375
+ one million. They just want to get Hillary out of the way, just to go back
lunamagica
Nov 2015
#95
Tell me how Hillary appeals to Republicans who like Trump's anti-TPP and anti-H-1B messages...
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#348
So, how do you "know" that reason is what drives them? Do you identify with their needs too?
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#353
Umm... she was FOR it before she was "against it" sir! And helped NEGOTIATE it as SOS!!!
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#360
Most of what we hear come through corporate filters, that are also NOT who to listen to...
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#368
And BOTH this administration and she support corporate interests on this over our interests!
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#376
Predictwise can predict my continued dismissal of stupid prediction websites
Floyd Steinberg
Nov 2015
#367
People who post at the Clinton Cave and then troll DU with their hate and lies disgust me.
cui bono
Nov 2015
#385
No you are the one who doesn't know about him if you claim he voted for the IWR
Bjorn Against
Nov 2015
#29
So you'd rather leave the troops with sticks and stones to fight once they are out of ammo?
Floyd Steinberg
Nov 2015
#42
When he signs his posts "TWM", it's his way of including the "sarcasm thingy".
Art_from_Ark
Nov 2015
#325
Hillary lied to get us into Iraq. She's a war monger who laughs about it.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#136
Found it, but it was the following October, and for "defense and reconstruction"
ucrdem
Nov 2015
#224
Voting on continuing funding is very different than voting to abdicate your constitutional duty
cui bono
Nov 2015
#386
Actually, he does. All Democrats voted FOR the Brady Bill. He voted against it - 5 times.
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2015
#16
Did you read my post? Because you'd have your answer right there. Here's just ONE: the PLCAA.
BlueCaliDem
Nov 2015
#267
Clinton certainly need not worry about any crossover appeal. Let's discuss "Grassley worries about
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#17
Because we will just put those social justice, wedge issues to the side. A fav for the Republicans.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#23
Lol, a supporter of the conservative candidate complaining about Bernie appealing to the right.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#94
No. Clinton is not far to the right. She is also in the 15% of most liberal in congress.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#103
Repeating your claim doesn't make her less far to the right of Bernie.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#105
It's not a magic spell, saying it 3 times doesn't negate the fact she's far to the right of Bernie.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#115
Nor does saying she is far to the right, make it so. I have facts on my side.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#121
Or click you heels together! There's no one like Hill, there's no one like Hill...
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#184
If you slap yourself you might get rid of that skipping. Works on my record player.
cui bono
Nov 2015
#397
I am a supporter of our Democratic party and our President. I simply do not have the same angst
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#149
Google. I see no facts from you when you call Clinton a Republican. Is this a one way street?
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#158
When did I call her a Republican? She's Republican lite compared to Bernie.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#163
"There is an opportunity for people of good faith to find common ground in this debate"
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#283
Obama '08 had lots of touting of 'Obamacans' by the campaing and all over DU.
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#26
The Obama quote is from the Primary. So try again. He's countering Clinton campaign rhetoric in
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#31
Your OP asked a question which I answered with quotes and links, the answer was Obama.
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#174
What is most useful about this sort of encounter is the rude, nasty response of this OP's cohort
Bluenorthwest
Nov 2015
#187
You can't win without some on the other side. The facts are Bernie is a liberal, Hillary a centurist
ViseGrip
Nov 2015
#39
how is this different from Hillary boasting of courting "moderate republicans" who agree with her
Doctor_J
Nov 2015
#54
Yes he panders to all Americans , Hillary = Wall Street , MIC , and War Hawks.
bahrbearian
Nov 2015
#186
Ok. That has nothing to do with accusations Clinton is repug lite when in fact, she is progressive.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#82
No. Facts. Calling Clinton a repug lite would be in ones mind, without the facts. Research is good
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#102
Only to Hillary supporters, to liberal progressives there's a big difference.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#133
Why do you think Clinton has the nomination for the democratic party well in hand? Now, I am out of
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#160
She doesn't, and if she wins that still won't make her a liberal progressive.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#168
Not if one has to throw a large part of the Democratic base under the bus to get Republican vote.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#66
No. Sanders has repeatedly addressed Republicans telling them to put the wedge issues aside
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#106
Because of your sleazy allegation that asking Republicans to vote Dem
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#127
"Sleazy, condemn, hypocrite"? More personal attacks. I am using Sanders words, and I believe he
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#135
She's far to the right of Bernie, always has been. Denial doesn't change the facts.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#141
No. She is a tad to the right on some things. Sanders is to the right on other things.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#146
Hillary called herself a moderate, that's not a progressive that's a weather vane.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#150
I won't support a war hawk who only goes left when the polls indicate it will be beneficial.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#162
Setting social justice issues to the side, defining them as wedge issues to get a Republican vote.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#154
Sanders himself has said those words, more than once, when trying to get Republican votes. Please,
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#165
He never set them aside, he asked Republicans to set them aside and vote Democratic.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#179
Sanders would do or say anything to get votes, from anyone. He would welcome Trumps support.
Thinkingabout
Nov 2015
#64
really? who'$ evolved or triangulating on gay marriage, TPP, for profit prisons,
Doctor_J
Nov 2015
#111
The subject was your subject line that Sanders will say anything to get elected
Doctor_J
Nov 2015
#262
Links to this behavior? You must have proof of him changing positions just to please people.
cui bono
Nov 2015
#401
Hillary Clinton. She's always talking about reaching across the aisle.
Baitball Blogger
Nov 2015
#76
When Clinton was 16 and too young to vote? Sanders has not been a Dem until the last week or so.
seabeyond
Nov 2015
#113
I'm sorry your alert didn't work. Here, maybe this will make you feel better:
Scootaloo
Nov 2015
#217
How? By doing what Obama did and asking Republicans to vote Democratic? The POUTRAGE!
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#203
It's clear to me why he's so far BEHIND and why hardly anyone endorses him. THEY CAN'T TRUST HIM!!!
NurseJackie
Nov 2015
#223
You think that bigot is HONEST after he lied about Mexicans and Muslims?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#235
Bernie is worse in my opinion. (Good thing I won't have to vote for either one, eh?)
NurseJackie
Nov 2015
#239
If you trust that bigot and think he's honest it's no wonder you don't trust someone like Bernie.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#241
You trust a man who wants Muslims to wear identity badges, like Jews in Nazi Germany.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#268
Makes you wonder if they're not telling us the real reason why they don't trust Bernie.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#342
Because of an OP on DU that's a complete fabrication written by a Clinton Caver?
cui bono
Nov 2015
#402
So what is he now? A Republicrat? A Demoblican? The majority of Dems don't support him, so
NurseJackie
Nov 2015
#232
You already admitted you trust Trump and think he's honest, what more is there to say?
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#243
Sure, because a man with a stellar civil rights record is no different than a racist.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#248
Trump wants Muslims to wear identity badges and you still trust him.
beam me up scottie
Nov 2015
#269
The game hasn't even started yet, haven't you been paying attention?
cherokeeprogressive
Nov 2015
#284
If he can pull those that we constantly accuse of voting against their best interests into the fold
NorthCarolina
Nov 2015
#261
In 2008--the most recent contested Democratic primary, Obama's camp bragged about "Obamacans."
merrily
Nov 2015
#266
If he means they will cross over in the primary to nominate him, this is not good.
McCamy Taylor
Nov 2015
#275
You got no policy positions listed!!! What policies do you have an issue with? He appeals to
grahamhgreen
Nov 2015
#278
well yes, even in rural Vermont he frequently carries predominently Republican districts by wide
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2015
#301
It's not Bragging it's true, disallusion Republicans will vote for him, their Contempt for Hillary
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2015
#302
I cant wait to see your reaction when Bernie is going to win the nomination
darkangel218
Nov 2015
#337
Mentioning/reaching out are now synonyms for bragging/touting? News to me. Thanks!
Hiraeth
Nov 2015
#358
The National Review has been urging GOP to support Sanders because he would be weaker candidate
Gothmog
Nov 2015
#363
Hmm... Ann Coulter is not interested in the GOP winning? She seems to take issue with this...
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#372
And those GOP sources you are quoting aren't also looking to get attention?
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#407
Reminds me of when they called Obama a Kenyan Muslim Communist Hitler...
Cheese Sandwich
Nov 2015
#411