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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Sanders now leads Clinton in New Hampshire, Maine, Utah, and Vermont [View all]PosterChild
(1,307 posts)132. When I say bernie's policy perscrptions are tainted...
....by socialist ideology what I mean is that they will be evaluated by the electorate in the context of radically reorganizing our socio-economic system towards socialism. Which is an entirely reasonable evaluation. When clinton and other candidates propose the same or similar policies they are not seen as a radical departure from our current system. Which they are not.
Here are a relevant excerpt from up thread that helps to clarify the notion of being tainted by socialist ideology:
When Gary Mauro filed for the Clinton campaign to run in Texas, he made this observation https://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/24/clinton-ballot-texas-supporters-look-next-step/
On Tuesday, Mauro said he has nothing against Sanders, an independent senator, but questioned his electability as a self-described socialist. The label has gotten more attention in recent days following a speech last week in which Sanders offered a defense of his brand of "democratic socialism."
"I'm very glad that they're taking Texas seriously," Mauro said of Sanders campaign officials. "If Sanders is going to be a serious candidate we don't know that yet, by the way but if he's going to be a serious candidate, he's got to prove he can carry a really diverse state like Texas."
Mauro added, "I like everything he's saying about income inequality and equal rights and all of that but the reality is that he's spending a lot of time explaining what a socialist is, and every time he has to explain that, I think he's narrowing his base."
On Tuesday, Mauro said he has nothing against Sanders, an independent senator, but questioned his electability as a self-described socialist. The label has gotten more attention in recent days following a speech last week in which Sanders offered a defense of his brand of "democratic socialism."
"I'm very glad that they're taking Texas seriously," Mauro said of Sanders campaign officials. "If Sanders is going to be a serious candidate we don't know that yet, by the way but if he's going to be a serious candidate, he's got to prove he can carry a really diverse state like Texas."
Mauro added, "I like everything he's saying about income inequality and equal rights and all of that but the reality is that he's spending a lot of time explaining what a socialist is, and every time he has to explain that, I think he's narrowing his base."
Riddle me this, if our current 1% centric socio-economic system is socialist why do we need a candidate to run as a socialist ? Our current system is not socialistic (and neither is denmarks!). These sorts of comparisons are rhetorical sophistry that serve only to obscure the fundimental socio-economic distinctions that exist. Which I believe is the purpose of bringing them up.
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Sanders now leads Clinton in New Hampshire, Maine, Utah, and Vermont [View all]
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
OP
Since Sanders was ahead in the last two polls in New Hampshire, that seems unlikely, but you are
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#115
Real Clear Politics uses different polls from Pollster and both different graphing methods.
Attorney in Texas
Dec 2015
#150
Real Clear politics: Has Hillary enlarging her lead 30 over all: Hillary is crushing Sanders
lewebley3
Dec 2015
#145
Obama didn't win: He didn't have enough to degelates to win; They Gave it to him
lewebley3
Dec 2015
#153
That implies she is ahead in the vote scheduled for national primary, a contest which does not exist
Attorney in Texas
Dec 2015
#151
I cross referenced Pollster, Real Clear Politics, Polling Report, Dailykos, Democratic Underground &
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#5
Please feel free to take comfort in that if it helps. I just got tired of "Hillary's winning in 49
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#8
Don't wanna piss on your day or cast further doubt on our state, but Texas ain't voting for Hillary
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#25
I suspect Texas will go Republican in the general election. In the primary, I suspect the race will
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#50
The longest serving independent member of Congress in American history sounds like change to me, and
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#61
Should we call off the Texas primary or are you OK with the voters having a say, too?
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#80
Kinda silly, Lawyer, to imply that Clinton supporters want to deny anyone the vote.
Nitram
Dec 2015
#140
Great post and then there is the fact that we cannot predict how many Republicans in Texas
Samantha
Nov 2015
#71
This same dire scenario is being discussed, as we speak, in Idaho and Arizona, too.
Major Hogwash
Dec 2015
#154
Sanders can win both Iowa and New Hampshire without support from non-white Democrats
Gothmog
Nov 2015
#128
Texas will not vote Democratic in the general election and is therefore barely relevant
JDPriestly
Nov 2015
#96
And yet Texas has twice the number of delegates as the four states listed in the OP
Gothmog
Nov 2015
#127
Funny -- I read early on the same people who got Obama elected were going to Sanders' campaign
Samantha
Nov 2015
#73
Clinton is viewed unfavorably by 64% of Texas INDEPENDENTS and by 91% of Texas Republicans so there
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#67
Here is the polling on the match up between Sanders and Clinton from the same polling source
Gothmog
Nov 2015
#130
Each is the most recent poll in that state. We'll see soon enough who wins in Iowa and who wins in
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#9
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
cantbeserious
Nov 2015
#26
Riddle Me This - Why Would Any Citizen Choose To Stand With The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment
cantbeserious
Nov 2015
#65
Riddle Me This - Why Is A 1% Centric Policy Perspective Not A Form Of Socialistic Ideology
cantbeserious
Nov 2015
#98
Riddle Me This - Why Did The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Limit The Number Of Debates
cantbeserious
Nov 2015
#116
We The People said "NO" to Hillary Rodham Clinton resoundingly in '08... and are preparing to
AzDar
Nov 2015
#27
He seems to do well in states that are almost entirely made up of white people
oberliner
Nov 2015
#31
That's great. However, I think the August and September polls need to be discounted at this point.
merrily
Nov 2015
#34
Those are the most recent polls from each state. If I was cherry picking, Iowa, Idaho, Oregon, and
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#74
There is more bad news about Clinton but there's no shortage of good news for Sanders. I could post
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#63
Both Sanders and Clinton have cause to feel good about their positions in Iowa and New Hampshire
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#62
The data comes from different sites so there isn't one source to link, but here are links to several
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#114
One poll is from sept! One is on line poll take it with a large grain of salt
FloridaBlues
Nov 2015
#76
It's less confusing if you don't use polls to argue "the primary is OVER, let's crown her NOW!"
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#113
I'd say it's also less confusing if you don't use them to argue "Crown him now! He's gonna win!"
Moonwalk
Nov 2015
#121
I posted the most recent polls from New Hampshire, Maine, Utah, and Vermont. Your link confirms that
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#108
You don't know how to read RCP. The CBS/YouGov poll is the one I posted in the OP. Clinton is behind
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#119
Good point. I hope Sanders beats Clinton by the 15% margin and not by the 7% margin.
Attorney in Texas
Dec 2015
#149
Clinton 50%, Sanders 44% in most recent (11/15–19/2015) Iowa poll by CBS/YouGov (O'Malley 5%)
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#111
I'm getting ready to call people in PA today, need to beat those $$$$$ .
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2015
#102
There isn't a national primary voting day so a national poll does not reflect any upcoming primary
Attorney in Texas
Nov 2015
#109