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PosterChild

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132. When I say bernie's policy perscrptions are tainted...
Sat Nov 28, 2015, 06:35 PM
Nov 2015

....by socialist ideology what I mean is that they will be evaluated by the electorate in the context of radically reorganizing our socio-economic system towards socialism. Which is an entirely reasonable evaluation. When clinton and other candidates propose the same or similar policies they are not seen as a radical departure from our current system. Which they are not.

Here are a relevant excerpt from up thread that helps to clarify the notion of being tainted by socialist ideology:

When Gary Mauro filed for the Clinton campaign to run in Texas, he made this observation https://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/24/clinton-ballot-texas-supporters-look-next-step/

On Tuesday, Mauro said he has nothing against Sanders, an independent senator, but questioned his electability as a self-described socialist. The label has gotten more attention in recent days following a speech last week in which Sanders offered a defense of his brand of "democratic socialism."

"I'm very glad that they're taking Texas seriously," Mauro said of Sanders campaign officials. "If Sanders is going to be a serious candidate — we don't know that yet, by the way — but if he's going to be a serious candidate, he's got to prove he can carry a really diverse state like Texas."

Mauro added, "I like everything he's saying about income inequality and equal rights and all of that — but the reality is that he's spending a lot of time explaining what a socialist is, and every time he has to explain that, I think he's narrowing his base."

Riddle me this, if our current 1% centric socio-economic system is socialist why do we need a candidate to run as a socialist ? Our current system is not socialistic (and neither is denmarks!). These sorts of comparisons are rhetorical sophistry that serve only to obscure the fundimental socio-economic distinctions that exist. Which I believe is the purpose of bringing them up.

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Very nice. He'll likely carry Colorado as well. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #1
Hillary is still ahead in New Hamshire and Iowa lewebley3 Nov 2015 #105
And 45 other states by huge margins. JaneyVee Nov 2015 #106
Since Sanders was ahead in the last two polls in New Hampshire, that seems unlikely, but you are Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #115
Real Clear Politics has graphs that differ from yours. Progressive dog Nov 2015 #124
Real Clear Politics uses different polls from Pollster and both different graphing methods. Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #150
Real Clear politics: Has Hillary enlarging her lead 30 over all: Hillary is crushing Sanders lewebley3 Dec 2015 #145
Reminder: Clinton and Obama, 2007 Hepburn Dec 2015 #146
Obama didn't win: He didn't have enough to degelates to win; They Gave it to him lewebley3 Dec 2015 #153
Well, that was nice of them. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #155
Yawn: We don't vote nationally. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #147
She crushing Sanders in state polls and delegates lewebley3 Dec 2015 #148
That implies she is ahead in the vote scheduled for national primary, a contest which does not exist Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #151
Did you find these polls at one website? If so, which one? NT Eric J in MN Nov 2015 #2
I cross referenced Pollster, Real Clear Politics, Polling Report, Dailykos, Democratic Underground & Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #5
Outlier polls (with no links) from four small states. onehandle Nov 2015 #3
Facts can be amazing things... LovingA2andMI Nov 2015 #37
Like by whom someone's campaign is financed? Plucketeer Nov 2015 #39
Try to stay on topic, Pluck. Nitram Nov 2015 #126
the polls that show that have missed a vast ocean of voters that roguevalley Nov 2015 #51
Thanks onehandle SCantiGOP Nov 2015 #83
Where did he start? mikehiggins Nov 2015 #4
Ben Franklin 1monster Nov 2015 #24
These are four small states with few delegates and few non-white voters Gothmog Nov 2015 #6
Please feel free to take comfort in that if it helps. I just got tired of "Hillary's winning in 49 Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #8
To my knowledge, no one thinks that Clinton will win Vermont Gothmog Nov 2015 #15
Fine, 48.. iamthebandfanman Nov 2015 #21
Don't wanna piss on your day or cast further doubt on our state, but Texas ain't voting for Hillary Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #25
I live in Texas Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #35
I think what Attorney in Texas means is... Fed up in NJ Nov 2015 #46
It would have been nice to make made that clear. Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #49
I suspect Texas will go Republican in the general election. In the primary, I suspect the race will Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #50
Yea, nothing says change like a 74 year old white man n/t Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #55
The longest serving independent member of Congress in American history sounds like change to me, and Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #61
Hillary will take the Texas primary. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #79
Should we call off the Texas primary or are you OK with the voters having a say, too? Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #80
He's just telling it like it is,.. PosterChild Nov 2015 #90
Kinda silly, Lawyer, to imply that Clinton supporters want to deny anyone the vote. Nitram Dec 2015 #140
Great post and then there is the fact that we cannot predict how many Republicans in Texas Samantha Nov 2015 #71
Texas Republicans will eat ground glass okasha Nov 2015 #92
Socialism is not a good concept to discuss in Texas Gothmog Nov 2015 #129
This same dire scenario is being discussed, as we speak, in Idaho and Arizona, too. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #154
Sanders can win both Iowa and New Hampshire without support from non-white Democrats Gothmog Nov 2015 #128
This guy does Capt. Obvious Nov 2015 #84
Texas will not vote Democratic in the general election and is therefore barely relevant JDPriestly Nov 2015 #96
And yet Texas has twice the number of delegates as the four states listed in the OP Gothmog Nov 2015 #127
I'm very aware of Wilson's hate campaign. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #135
We are not holding our breath but we are working hard to turn Texas blue Gothmog Nov 2015 #138
Yes. Buying media time doesn't win these states. Motown_Johnny Nov 2015 #16
The doubters are ignoring this. rwsanders Nov 2015 #20
47% of Texas have a very unfavorable opinion of Clinton Jarqui Nov 2015 #23
Texas no longer has the Texas two step Gothmog Nov 2015 #30
Funny -- I read early on the same people who got Obama elected were going to Sanders' campaign Samantha Nov 2015 #73
Since 60% of Texas is bat shit crazy Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #56
Clinton is viewed unfavorably by 64% of Texas INDEPENDENTS and by 91% of Texas Republicans so there Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #67
Here is the polling on the match up between Sanders and Clinton from the same polling source Gothmog Nov 2015 #130
Interesting interpretation of now dsc Nov 2015 #7
Each is the most recent poll in that state. We'll see soon enough who wins in Iowa and who wins in Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #9
Two months is a political light year. n/t pnwmom Nov 2015 #11
And we're over two months until the first primary votes are cast. RichVRichV Nov 2015 #87
I've noticed that people struggle Fairgo Nov 2015 #32
Don't ya wish SmittynMo Nov 2015 #85
Two of those are August or September polls. They tell us nothing about NOW. pnwmom Nov 2015 #10
Iowa is key Bernblu Nov 2015 #12
!! KansDem Nov 2015 #38
KICK! quantass Nov 2015 #13
New Hampshire is a toss up. The Maine and Utah BootinUp Nov 2015 #14
you can tell that nobody is inevitable in those states and that magical thyme Nov 2015 #47
K&R - Go Bernie!! -nt- 99th_Monkey Nov 2015 #17
Interesting RoccoR5955 Nov 2015 #18
Question about the Maine poll... Ken Burch Nov 2015 #19
No results specifically recorded for O'Malley Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #28
Yes!!! Praying We Don't Select A Wall St War Hawk billhicks76 Nov 2015 #22
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Nov 2015 #26
Stand together is laughable. Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #57
Riddle Me This - Why Would Any Citizen Choose To Stand With The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Establishment cantbeserious Nov 2015 #65
*crickets* Fearless Nov 2015 #89
Well, let's see . .. PosterChild Nov 2015 #91
Riddle Me This - Why Is A 1% Centric Policy Perspective Not A Form Of Socialistic Ideology cantbeserious Nov 2015 #98
When I say bernie's policy perscrptions are tainted... PosterChild Nov 2015 #132
Riddle Me This - Does The US of A Have Corporate Socialism Today cantbeserious Nov 2015 #134
No of course not. The idea of corporate socialism . ... PosterChild Nov 2015 #139
You got it. Very simplistic to want to battle climate change. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #99
No, it's simplistic to . ... PosterChild Nov 2015 #131
Do you ever listen to yourself? Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #110
Riddle Me This - Why Did The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Limit The Number Of Debates cantbeserious Nov 2015 #116
We The People said "NO" to Hillary Rodham Clinton resoundingly in '08... and are preparing to AzDar Nov 2015 #27
Voters preferred Obama in 2008 Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #58
Thank Jeebus. We The People don't WANT another Obama... AzDar Nov 2015 #60
No, we the people did not say "No" to Clinton in 2008. Nitram Dec 2015 #141
My Neighors down the street HockeyMom Nov 2015 #29
He seems to do well in states that are almost entirely made up of white people oberliner Nov 2015 #31
Uh oh... Helen Borg Nov 2015 #33
+10 !! (NT) PosterChild Nov 2015 #93
That's great. However, I think the August and September polls need to be discounted at this point. merrily Nov 2015 #34
Wait, these were in Aug and Sept? RandySF Nov 2015 #42
Did you happen glance at the OP post? merrily Nov 2015 #43
Not really RandySF Nov 2015 #77
Very promising! dpatbrown Nov 2015 #36
Go Bernie Go! SoapBox Nov 2015 #40
Where I predicted him winning RandySF Nov 2015 #41
Momentun vs Free Falling. bvar22 Nov 2015 #44
Cherry-picking different pollsters in small states? Tarc Nov 2015 #45
It looks like thats what the poster did. moobu2 Nov 2015 #59
Those are the most recent polls from each state. If I was cherry picking, Iowa, Idaho, Oregon, and Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #74
You are really desperate for some positive Bernie news. DCBob Nov 2015 #48
There is more bad news about Clinton but there's no shortage of good news for Sanders. I could post Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #63
LOL... knock yourself out. DCBob Nov 2015 #68
OK Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #69
You're welcome Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #72
You whine a lot! Nt Logical Nov 2015 #88
Brilliant parting shot, Log! Nt Nitram Dec 2015 #142
I'm happy with where Clinton is in NH at this point.... brooklynite Nov 2015 #52
Both Sanders and Clinton have cause to feel good about their positions in Iowa and New Hampshire Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #62
Welcome to DU! Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #101
very good bernie news! restorefreedom Nov 2015 #53
Gonna fly now UglyGreed Nov 2015 #54
You need a link in a post like this Matariki Nov 2015 #64
The data comes from different sites so there isn't one source to link, but here are links to several Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #114
He will carry Mississippi Aerows Nov 2015 #66
Do you have any recent polls to provide any evidence for your claim??? riversedge Nov 2015 #94
For the Democratic Primary? Aerows Nov 2015 #118
Before you poo-poo these obscure polls, remember one truth ... DrBulldog Nov 2015 #70
It is polite to provide LINKS when you make assertions of this nature. MADem Nov 2015 #75
In other words, the Clinton campaign is slowly crushing these poseurs. nt msanthrope Nov 2015 #97
One poll is from sept! One is on line poll take it with a large grain of salt FloridaBlues Nov 2015 #76
OMG ... not UTAH!!!! JoePhilly Nov 2015 #78
K&R nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #81
I'm so confused kjones Nov 2015 #82
It's less confusing if you don't use polls to argue "the primary is OVER, let's crown her NOW!" Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #113
I'd say it's also less confusing if you don't use them to argue "Crown him now! He's gonna win!" Moonwalk Nov 2015 #121
They love any poll that looks good for Bernie. Nitram Dec 2015 #143
Good, but I'm interested in seeing how he plays out west Tab Nov 2015 #86
According to Real Clear Politics, Clinton is ahead in NH +4.3 riversedge Nov 2015 #95
I posted the most recent polls from New Hampshire, Maine, Utah, and Vermont. Your link confirms that Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #108
No, RCP has a new one--CBSNews/YouGov and Clinton is now +4.3 in NH riversedge Nov 2015 #117
You don't know how to read RCP. The CBS/YouGov poll is the one I posted in the OP. Clinton is behind Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #119
From your own data... SidDithers Dec 2015 #144
Good point. I hope Sanders beats Clinton by the 15% margin and not by the 7% margin. Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #149
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #100
Clinton 50%, Sanders 44% in most recent (11/15–19/2015) Iowa poll by CBS/YouGov (O'Malley 5%) Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #111
And still more than two months away! nolabels Nov 2015 #133
I'm getting ready to call people in PA today, need to beat those $$$$$ . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2015 #102
According to RealClearPolitics.com/ the poll of polls, Clinton holds a c588415 Nov 2015 #103
There isn't a national primary voting day so a national poll does not reflect any upcoming primary Attorney in Texas Nov 2015 #109
I see a big points that are being missed. OkSustainAg Nov 2015 #104
Vermont must know something. Gregorian Nov 2015 #107
Go Bernie Go!! Duval Nov 2015 #112
Pretty sketchy collection of polls - two from September (pssst, Monday will be Dec. 1!), and one... George II Nov 2015 #120
I'll believe Bernie has a chance when he's leading in more diverse states. lark Nov 2015 #122
three of these states will most likely go Democratic ibegurpard Nov 2015 #123
Out of 270 electoral votes to win the Presidency Progressive dog Nov 2015 #125
Irrelevant, since we're talking about the Primary. /nt demwing Nov 2015 #136
Relevant, since we're talking about party delegates Progressive dog Nov 2015 #137
Party delegates are not assigned according to electoral votes. Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #156
Electoral votes are one of the factors for Progressive dog Dec 2015 #157
Corporate Poll Results VS The Peoples Choice(s) fredamae Dec 2015 #152
Call me crazy, but clinton supporters sheldon Dec 2015 #158
It sounds just like Romney '12, doesn't it? Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #159
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