2016 Postmortem

Stuckinthebush

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114. They are part of the problem

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 04:37 PM

Nov 2015

Just as the Nader voters were part of the problem in 2000.

Now, they will tell you that they are part of the solution because we have to push back against the two party system, or we have to reclaim some magical left position that we once had. Their holier than thou stance may make them feel superior or just, but it only makes them part of the problem.

We see a lot of that crap on DU today, but come next November the majority will rally around the eventual Democratic nominee because they will realize the damage that will be done by voting third party or not voting at all.

I hate the primary season on DU. It's always like this and has been since the beginning. The best thing to do is ignore the people who scream about not voting for the democrat if it is so-and-so or who advocate a third party run for candidate X. They are usually full of gas or are trolls....or both.

Serenity now!

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Please quit threatening to not vote, or vote for a third party candidate! [View all] CajunBlazer Nov 2015 OP

No. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2015 #1

Okay, no problem - I just put you on my ignore list and.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #3

Ignoring them would take away the comedic factor. nt. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #5

Not to mention deprive them of the attention they so desparately seek. 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #84

If you're going to ignore principled progressives... Chan790 Nov 2015 #141

You haven't earned that honor yet, ...... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #149

Really? I have no idea what more I could do. n/t Chan790 Nov 2015 #162

This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Nov 2015 #186

Are you talking about me? CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #191

Jury Results Live and Learn Nov 2015 #177

If Hillary drops out. 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #2

I bet you think that post was cute... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #40

well now it's just funny 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #47

Yes it was cute and funny. Please 840high Nov 2015 #55

Speaking of cute and funny... MissDeeds Nov 2015 #85

I didn't get any either. Maybe 840high Nov 2015 #112

Or maybe the treats are securely attached to the bridle of truedelphi Nov 2015 #153

If it's Jim Webb? CreekDog Nov 2015 #75

Actually, she has been a Democrat since the 60s. Beacool Nov 2015 #179

just saying if she drops out 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #212

It is a threat and they don't have much more than that. NCTraveler Nov 2015 #4

Most are trolls. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #7

Yep. That much is now clear. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #11

The vast majority I have on ignore. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #16

HA! Same here! I'll often see a "hot" thread with over 50 replies ... NurseJackie Nov 2015 #25

It's becoming so commonplace here! MoonRiver Nov 2015 #29

Misread something in the thread Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #86

No problem. NurseJackie Nov 2015 #94

I am not a troll. jkbRN Nov 2015 #21

It's obvious that not EVERYBODY in the GE will support Hillary. nuff said MoonRiver Nov 2015 #24

Very true statement, and you should respect those opinions. jkbRN Nov 2015 #27

I have a right to respect, or not, whomever I wish. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #28

If she wins 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #48

Makes perfect sense, cause she would have won. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #88

Both sides of what? blue neen Nov 2015 #108

democrats and republicans 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #160

Not necessarly.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #189

Speak for yourself. blue neen Nov 2015 #196

I agree, but all of us here aren't Democrats CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #206

Manny are, thats true. zappaman Nov 2015 #59

I see what you did there. Number23 Nov 2015 #70

LOL ... That made me laugh because every time I type, "manny" ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #96

Mitt Romney's people all said the exact same thing: "The polls are wrong! The polls are wrong!" Number23 Nov 2015 #140

But THIS is different!!! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #145

You're a punny one kjones Nov 2015 #107

Even Sanders isn't 100% for them but that is apparently irrelevant somehow. randome Nov 2015 #8

I promise to do so... 99Forever Nov 2015 #6

But what if... HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #9

In this country you ae perfectly free to vote against your best interests.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #41

Hypothetical scenario HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #46

We're in a winner take all taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #61

That's a false narrative HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #65

You will only have a point when and if a third party becomes viable.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #113

I understand that. Nader is a perfect example. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #123

It is a vicious circle which third parties will never overcome... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #143

According to DU's TOS we have to vote for Dems no matter what d_legendary1 Nov 2015 #171

Good post that breaks it down brilliantly brush Nov 2015 #127

Or to refuse to vote against their best interest Doctor_J Nov 2015 #54

Kick and REC'D! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #10

If we lose the White House Freddie Nov 2015 #12

Vote for the populist who will reverse the trend, not for the Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #19

and that is a good argument for why 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #49

That is why we need a strong LIBERAL with coattails so we can keep the WH and take back at least Vincardog Nov 2015 #125

Uh, are you telling people how to vote in a democracy? jkbRN Nov 2015 #13

Thank you for your concern. MoonRiver Nov 2015 #18

Thank you for such an insightful rebuttal! jkbRN Nov 2015 #22

Aww, you haz a sad? MoonRiver Nov 2015 #26

Please, speak English. jkbRN Nov 2015 #45

Yah...THIS IS AMERICA! MineralMan Nov 2015 #62

Re-read my post. I said vote for for whoever the hell you want! CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #30

I get it, but to tell people to suppress their thoughts/feelings jkbRN Nov 2015 #42

Yes, forums are supposed to be an open dialogue. blue neen Nov 2015 #115

I still want a vow that Clinton will not pull a Lieberman if she loses the primary Scootaloo Nov 2015 #14

Yup! Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #20

Bingo! n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #71

And I wouldn't put it past her to pull one. Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #110

We will never know if she would have tried that, will we? CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #184

As you can see from this thread, it is a threat. It's become boring and tiresome lunamagica Nov 2015 #15

Although I support Hillary... chillfactor Nov 2015 #17

rednecks would probably be the last word that would correctly describes 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #51

Give me a candidate worth voting for, and I'll vote for them. jeff47 Nov 2015 #23

Agreed. HerbChestnut Nov 2015 #31

If you are bent on self distruction.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #32

Kind of an ironic reply Scootaloo Nov 2015 #33

The irony is lost on him I think. Chan790 Nov 2015 #155

I'm afraid it's not me who's bent on self-destruction. jeff47 Nov 2015 #34

Look go vote for whomever you want... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #38

Actually, in the general election my vote won't count. jeff47 Nov 2015 #50

The popular vote matters to incumbents and in contested elections BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #66

Yeah, that totally worked for Gore. jeff47 Nov 2015 #67

Are you saying he would have been treated exactly the same had he lost the PV? BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #69

Considering he got nothing for winning the popular vote, I fail to see jeff47 Nov 2015 #72

Well, now. Aerows Nov 2015 #83

Haha, yeah...Ask him if he would prefer Bernie winning PV/EV or just EV BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #90

You forgot to list what Gore got for winning the PV. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #135

Credibility and energy, which he squandered BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #138

Yeah, what exactly could he do with that "Credibility" after the SCOTUS ruling? jeff47 Nov 2015 #144

Thanks for answering BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #148

You forgot to explain how "Credibility" would overcome the SCOTUS ruling. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #150

I'll answer when I stop laughing BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #151

You didn't just step up to the plate Aerows Nov 2015 #142

Hence the reply to you instead of me. jeff47 Nov 2015 #146

I get the feeling now that I am older Aerows Nov 2015 #152

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #129

Honestly? Sometimes I wonder.... Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #133

You forgot to insist I am asking for a pony, or other insulting bullshit. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #134

You wanted a rainbow sticker. Aerows Nov 2015 #156

Well, you asked and I answered. Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #157

"Immature way about your politics" Aerows Nov 2015 #163

Hi! Aerows Nov 2015 #165

And it looks like I'm being Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #166

I sincerely ask you to post in the Ask the Administrators portion of this site Aerows Nov 2015 #168

I'll keep that in mind. Thank you. Lilith Rising Nov 2015 #185

If people refuse to vote for the Dem nominee in the GE, why are they here? LonePirate Nov 2015 #35

WORD lunamagica Nov 2015 #36

word? 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #53

Ouch, that really hurt... lunamagica Nov 2015 #58

must have or you wouldn't have answered it. 2pooped2pop Nov 2015 #132

Really, is that what you think? lunamagica Nov 2015 #170

word? blue neen Nov 2015 #120

Good question, and thank you! MoonRiver Nov 2015 #37

We must be members of the small group who actually likes all of our candidates. LonePirate Nov 2015 #43

"Write-In Underground" ... LOL NurseJackie Nov 2015 #39

Probably because it is not TM99 Nov 2015 #57

Well, Identity Politics Underground is also pretty stupid. [n/t] Maedhros Nov 2015 #89

LOL Aerows Nov 2015 #147

Done! Maedhros Nov 2015 #173

Maybe they are re[ublicans who have seen the light with Bernie and will vote for him not Hillary. Vincardog Nov 2015 #121

Who wouldn't be proud of such an incredible achievement as that? frylock Nov 2015 #124

I've been called a Yankee in this thread. Aerows Dec 2015 #208

YES! Worth repeating loud and clear. brush Nov 2015 #131

Coudn't agree more! yallerdawg Nov 2015 #44

I'll vote for whoever I damn well wish to pinebox Nov 2015 #52

Go advertize that on the "I Will Vote for Who(m)ever I Wish Undergroung" board. CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #64

You sound mad pinebox Nov 2015 #80

+1 zillion MissDeeds Nov 2015 #79

Once the Convention is over, how many people with have the courage of their convictions... brooklynite Nov 2015 #56

Oooh ooh oooh! Chan790 Nov 2015 #164

I won't be wasting any more time here ibegurpard Nov 2015 #169

not voting for Clinton either in the primary or if she gets there, the general. ish of the hammer Nov 2015 #60

Why the hell should they? Daemonaquila Nov 2015 #63

Oh, give it a rest! CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #78

"we" huh? ibegurpard Nov 2015 #103

Cajun, huh? Aerows Nov 2015 #68

if you were really familar with Cajuns, you would know..... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #91

Uh, politely Aerows Nov 2015 #95

What is this some kind of test? LOL CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #174

Yep. Just what the internet could tell you, but not the culture. Aerows Nov 2015 #175

Then you would be mistaken.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #182

Do you know exactly why I know what you would eat on Monday as a cajun? Aerows Nov 2015 #183

You're serious! Well frankly my dear I don't give a damn what you believe! CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #193

That's what I thought. Aerows Nov 2015 #194

I thought that I aleady told you that I don't give a damn what you think! CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #197

Oh my. Aerows Nov 2015 #198

You're right - now I have insulted all Yankees CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #200

You do know how to sling an insult. Aerows Nov 2015 #201

Ma cher, you ain't seen nothting yet! CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #205

Nobody says that. Aerows Dec 2015 #209

I am tired of arguing with an know-it-all who dares to impune my integerity. CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #210

Goddamit Aerows! bunnies Dec 2015 #213

So I'm reasonably asking you to quit ibegurpard Nov 2015 #105

Agreed. Aerows Nov 2015 #119

Just skip it..ignore it or roll your eyes artislife Nov 2015 #73

Welcome to DU PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #74

The fomenting of discord Aerows Nov 2015 #76

There are sveral that have made it past mirt PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #82

I'm on MIRT this term Aerows Nov 2015 #87

Not trying to place blame PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #93

The Question Is The Answer billhicks76 Nov 2015 #77

If you want to clean up the party run for precinct delegate. longship Nov 2015 #98

Thank You billhicks76 Nov 2015 #104

And when that doesn't work? jeff47 Nov 2015 #154

Well, one could try it. longship Nov 2015 #158

And when one did try it, only to have the number of seats reduced by one? jeff47 Nov 2015 #159

Well, if you followed my post, you'd know. longship Nov 2015 #172

they obviously have more principles than you stupidicus Nov 2015 #81

Oh please, CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #102

so they're now the functional equivalents of rightwingers? stupidicus Nov 2015 #109

I think there may be a large number of under votes in solidly liberal states like Oregon. jalan48 Nov 2015 #92

And that would be good for the country? CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #97

I think the Democratic Party leadership needed to ask itself that when they made Hillary the "one". jalan48 Nov 2015 #100

A good start would be you minding your own business Aerows Nov 2015 #101

up to 103. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #99

As a Bernie supporter, dpatbrown Nov 2015 #106

Quit asking people how they'll vote, or posting cutesy polls about it then. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #111

Being honest, I have to admit that I am still relatively new around here. CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #161

They are part of the problem Stuckinthebush Nov 2015 #114

Excellent post CajunBlazer 40RatRod Nov 2015 #116

The vast majority of the immature threats to walk away from the Democratic Party . . FairWinds Nov 2015 #117

You got it Mnpaul Nov 2015 #188

If you floriduck Nov 2015 #118

Wonder how many that fall into that group will secretely be happy? kjones Nov 2015 #122

I repeat. Hillary has corruption issues. I think she has serious corruption issues. JDPriestly Nov 2015 #126

I much prefer Bernie. mmm413 Nov 2015 #128

Quit demanding loyalty oaths. If you don't ask, we won't tell. Done. <nt> AtomicKitten Nov 2015 #130

We're pursuing our aims through mmonk Nov 2015 #136

Precisely and succinctly state, mmonk. n/t Aerows Nov 2015 #139

i wont vote for hillary Pharaoh Nov 2015 #137

Suit yourself, I certainly won't want to waste my time trying convince someone ,,,, CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #167

So what? seabeyond Nov 2015 #192

"DNC and DWS are digging there own grave" ecstatic Nov 2015 #204

When someone has your loyalty and your vote NobodyHere Nov 2015 #207

OTOH Doctor_J Nov 2015 #176

I appreciate your post, CajunBlazer. I really do. PoliticalMalcontent Nov 2015 #178

I understand and respect your views on subject (n/t) CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #211

Good post, CajunBlazer NastyRiffraff Nov 2015 #180

If they follow through with their threat, then they are foolish and selfish. Beacool Nov 2015 #181

we should have this conversation after the primary. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #187

It is tiresome. It is also life threatening for some. The self centeredness amazing.. seabeyond Nov 2015 #190

Someone is threatening with treats? I wish someone would threaten me with treats. Douglas Carpenter Nov 2015 #195

If you don't like it, LWolf Nov 2015 #199

I hope you know that calling me a "Yankee" Aerows Nov 2015 #202

The people saying that are trolls and / or people who ecstatic Nov 2015 #203

This message was self-deleted by its author CajunBlazer Dec 2015 #214