2016 Postmortem

angrychair

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51. Not sure if she overcomes

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:00 AM

Dec 2015

These negatives or not. As I have stated, if she is nominated to the general, I will vote for her but I will do it with tears in my eyes, I will still be casting my vote but I will be doing it for a Democratic Party that no longer cares about people like me: middle class, drowning in student loan debt, barely (sometimes don't) makes ends meet. A party that cares more about Wall St than my street. A party that cares more about electing presidents than actual policy that matters, actual elections that matter (state, county and city elections matter more) that care more about endorsements from unions than they do about actual unions.
So while you may well crow and strut on the morning of November 5, I'll morn the fact I lost my Party and we have lost the vast majority of all state legislatures and federal House seats and could very well be out in the cold for a decade or more.

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Everybody HATES Hillary. [View all] Cassiopeia Dec 2015 OP

She has a better chance than a 75 year old self described doc03 Dec 2015 #1

Wrong. elleng Dec 2015 #6

...... Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #10

Thanks. elleng Dec 2015 #17

I won't argue crime stats on MD. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #22

You know Hillary's only 5-6 younger than Sanders, right? merrily Dec 2015 #70

Six years, one month, eighteen days. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #82

Where's the minutes and seconds? NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #90

A trivial span of time, since both are in good health. n/t. Ken Burch Dec 2015 #130

Sounds like a situation comedy. Lint Head Dec 2015 #2

I give Hillary a 4, the lady in the dress a 7 but the real star of this clip Number23 Dec 2015 #4

LOOKS like a situation comedy. elleng Dec 2015 #19

Everyone hates Bernie, Friday's at 8 pinebox Dec 2015 #27

yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wendylaroux Dec 2015 #124

Now that's "Presidential" Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #127

I thought I hated her until I met her opponents. bravenak Dec 2015 #3

So you're judging her based on "her opponents"???? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #7

It's not a very convincing claim. Crystalite Dec 2015 #14

I'm afraid you are correct. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #21

Based on her opponents, based on her opponents' supporters, merrily Dec 2015 #71

I swear it is performance art. Puglover Dec 2015 #87

When it doubt, consult the dictionary for at least a starting point: merrily Dec 2015 #88

:) Puglover Dec 2015 #91

Bad Brecht. Sounds like halitosis, possible due to excess stomach acid. Now, that's more like it! merrily Dec 2015 #92

She started that nonsensical crap Puglover Dec 2015 #86

Thats precious. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #9

Umm hmm bravenak Dec 2015 #11

Thats even more precious. bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #12

To be sure. Umm hmm. bravenak Dec 2015 #15

So how does she win the GE? Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #16

We don't convince everybody that hates her. We convince enough DEMOCRATS to show up. bravenak Dec 2015 #23

so, you have no plan to win over hard left, hard right, or moderates. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #32

What plan does Bernie have? bravenak Dec 2015 #38

When it comes to the GE Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #41

I told you our plan. Show up to stop republicans and have good people campaigning. bravenak Dec 2015 #42

what about all those down ballot Socialists redstateblues Dec 2015 #109

hahaha rbrnmw Dec 2015 #46

He he he! bravenak Dec 2015 #48

I used to think like that. zigby Dec 2015 #24

Yep. We have our votes. They count. bravenak Dec 2015 #25

So the symbol is more important than policy? Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #28

I never said that. zigby Dec 2015 #35

It sounds like you have a LOT in common with Bernie Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #39

Thanks for the welcome. zigby Dec 2015 #126

before you get all excited about the "it's time for a woman prez"thing, maybe you should find out kath Dec 2015 #128

wow glad you're here to talk down to me zigby Dec 2015 #129

i feel similar, although i never hated her JI7 Dec 2015 #37

I now think I must have never really hated her either. Not like they so. bravenak Dec 2015 #40

She's not, of course, 'our only chance.' elleng Dec 2015 #5

Nah. Just the Republicans of all stripes, and the extreme Left. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #8

yup. KMOD Dec 2015 #13

Yes, they do. And as the elections get closer, the excitement is going to go through the roof. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #26

Didn't realize watching paint dry was exciting. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #132

It isn't. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #134

Uh... no. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #131

So that's 30 pct plus a current 3rd of Democrats ibegurpard Dec 2015 #20

We'll talk after the holidays. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #30

I've written talking points. I know talking points. ibegurpard Dec 2015 #33

Yeah. Okay. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #98

You never answered my original question. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #36

After she's elected... tazkcmo Dec 2015 #79

"Hillary is no Obama" quickesst Dec 2015 #85

Oh? I didn't know I was required to do so. I guess I've been posting back and forth with so many BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #97

I like Bernie better, and I have never hated her. rusty quoin Dec 2015 #18

Last time I checked Hillary was polling at over 80% with Democrats Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #29

80 percent of 30 percent ibegurpard Dec 2015 #34

Exactly. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #49

Doesn't that work the other way, too? ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #75

Well if it hard for Hillary Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #96

Behind to she who has every institutional advantage. But she still cannot bury him. Why is that? Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #108

Buried definition might be like having six feet of dirt on top Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #110

So roughly 24% TM99 Dec 2015 #77

Because if you don't win the primary there is no beyond! Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #100

There is no beyond for Clinton. TM99 Dec 2015 #111

I know I am delusional Tommy2Tone Dec 2015 #112

Well you said it, not me! TM99 Dec 2015 #114

Dems are very excited about us winning the WH. Rex Dec 2015 #31

"Dems" are 30% of the electorate. You don't win with 30%. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #102

Just talking about here in my area, they are excited about the prospects of another Dem in the WH. Rex Dec 2015 #118

Yet that still makes them only 30% of the electorate. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #119

So how much of the electorate is the GOP? Rex Dec 2015 #120

Depending on the poll, about 20-30%. jeff47 Dec 2015 #121

Dam now that has me worried. Rex Dec 2015 #122

The Republicans will vote for anyone with an R after their name. jeff47 Dec 2015 #123

That really worries me, thank you for explaining to me the situation. Rex Dec 2015 #125

No, you all do not hate Mrs. Clinton. You all question her credibility and akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #43

What you say is true regarding the general election. But I jwirr Dec 2015 #115

I don't want to be on her hitlist rbrnmw Dec 2015 #44

Now, that brought back memories of the worst kind when she was akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #45

Name the HRC supporters here who told you "everyone STILL hates Hillary"? SunSeeker Dec 2015 #47

I will not name names. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #50

"I will not turn this into some meta crap." SunSeeker Dec 2015 #55

as stated in my OP Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #57

+100! Cha Dec 2015 #68

Mahalo, Cha! SunSeeker Dec 2015 #69

Not sure if she overcomes angrychair Dec 2015 #51

hmmmm. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #54

After seeing the hateful left that has came spewing out giftedgirl77 Dec 2015 #52

For real bravenak Dec 2015 #53

that's truth right there rbrnmw Dec 2015 #89

The hateful left is just awful, posting videos of Hillary saying things.. frylock Dec 2015 #116

I am a Hillary supporter. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #56

She's rather our best chance of losing the White House. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #58

Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #59

Hillary has around an 80% approval rating from african americans in most polls I've seen. Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #61

Polls taken by white people, working for the white mainstream media. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #65

They're in deep denial and it comes out in the most deplorable ways. Cha Dec 2015 #67

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #80

That is not true at all. bravenak Dec 2015 #62

Your post is all over the place Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #60

I have read exactly that. Cassiopeia Dec 2015 #63

She's leading Sanders among liberal voters: Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #64

Your poll only includes Democrats, not "voters". jeff47 Dec 2015 #105

The hate against Hillary comes from one certain place imo: Tipperary Dec 2015 #66

Right. Her vote for the IWR and PATRIOT Act and support by corps means nothing Android3.14 Dec 2015 #72

Do you hate- Rose Siding Dec 2015 #84

Odd choice of words. I don't "hate" any of them, but yes, they are unqualified to lead the USA Android3.14 Dec 2015 #93

Of course, because she was the only Democrat who supported those.. oh wait.. Amimnoch Dec 2015 #104

Another odd response. I think I tried this tactic with my mother at age 10 Android3.14 Dec 2015 #113

I have never said she is the only choice. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #73

Which stage of grief is this? JoePhilly Dec 2015 #74

Yea guess everyone hates her even all the female Senators FloridaBlues Dec 2015 #76

Not all... Sen. Warren wasn't there. eom Fawke Em Dec 2015 #133

like everybody hates Obama? greenman3610 Dec 2015 #78

LOL, what would be the point? msrizzo Dec 2015 #81

Well said! Lisa D Dec 2015 #95

I don't hate Hillary,... HooptieWagon Dec 2015 #83

^^^THIS^^^ jwirr Dec 2015 #117

A Bernie-supporter-style reverse psychology clickbait headline. Nitram Dec 2015 #94

I know you say you'd rather have a nap, but you should get out more. JTFrog Dec 2015 #99

not everybody hates her 2pooped2pop Dec 2015 #101

Majorities of every demographic EXCEPT DEMOCRATS distrust Clinton. 68% of Democrats trust her and Attorney in Texas Dec 2015 #103

I don't hate Hillary - It's just that I'm more of a social-democrat or New Dealer than one of these Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #106

because not everyone hates her! dlwickham Dec 2015 #107