2016 Postmortem

gordyfl

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31. Employers will Contribute as well.

Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:59 PM

Dec 2015

Employers can replace their private health care premiums for their employees with Medicare - if they choose. It's not as complicated as Hillary supporters (and Republicans) make it out to be.

I heard Sean Hannity making the argument about how costly Medicare for All would be.

Bill O'Reilly of FOX News made similar claims...

O'Reilly pointed out that Sanders' plan calls for free Medicare for all Americans, an increase in Social Security payments, guaranteed paid family and medical leave, tuition-free schools at all levels and much more.

"The freebies and programs Sen. Sanders supports would cost the American taxpayer $18 trillion over a decade," O'Reilly said. "Obviously, that's not fiscally possible unless the federal government begins seizing assets, which is certainly in line with the socialist philosophy."

O'Reilly noted that Clinton has seen how popular Sanders' message has been, so she's trying to get on the "free stuff" bandwagon with a proposal for essentially free college tuition.

"So, with Hillary Clinton now imitating Bernie Sanders, the country faces a very interesting scenario: Capitalism versus socialism. We'll see what prevails."

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"Medicare for all" The first thing Sanders said after emerging from a successful hernia procedure [View all] Luminous Animal Dec 2015 OP

Wishing him all the best. May he have a very speedy recovery and that he'll soon be back to his NurseJackie Dec 2015 #1

Once again, one of you managed to be the first post in a Bernie thread. You're all well trained. Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #20

C'mon. That was a gracious post Matariki Dec 2015 #23

I know. I was actually more irked by the post that followed, but I've been noticing this pattern. Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #32

Yes. That sounds like a perfectly reasonable NurseJackie Dec 2015 #37

Not just you. I see this pattern with lots of HRC supporters. Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #41

I don't see many Hillary supporters ... Trajan Dec 2015 #52

It' too bad that it has to come to that. I understand why though Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #53

Yes, that's why I described it as being "subtle" ... NurseJackie Dec 2015 #72

Yeah. Matariki Dec 2015 #40

Who cares? Why does it matter to you? NurseJackie Dec 2015 #24

Just pointing out the patterns. It's pretty amazing. Very disciplined. Ned_Devine Dec 2015 #28

I wish him well Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #2

Medicare already is a detailed plan. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #6

Has Bernie's Medicare for all plan been scored by the CBO? Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #8

If someone's taxes go up... thesquanderer Dec 2015 #13

OK....so when will Bernie provide all these details which can be scored by the CBO? nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2015 #14

I agree, I'd like to see a more detailed analysis of this as well. thesquanderer Dec 2015 #18

Well, there was Senate 915 back in 2011 Fawke Em Dec 2015 #55

HR 676 (Medicare for All) will save money. senz Dec 2015 #69

All you need to know is that we already spend twice per capita what other developed countries do eridani Dec 2015 #71

Not for "all". When will he present his plan for "all"? George II Dec 2015 #12

Just Mail Out the Medicare Cards and be Done With It gordyfl Dec 2015 #25

NurseJackie gracious. floriduck Dec 2015 #26

What is Hillary's plan for HC and what is the cost? Putting everyone into one insurance pool makes.. slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #58

Damn right... MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #3

One more year to go JEB Dec 2015 #4

But no plan to make it happen MaggieD Dec 2015 #5

Actually, here are the economics of it. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #7

That poster won't read it. Their role is simply to counter every pro-Sanders post with *something* arcane1 Dec 2015 #9

You called it. See post 11. blackspade Dec 2015 #17

Notice how they continue to pretend it's all taxes but omit what those taxes pay for? arcane1 Dec 2015 #22

Exactly. blackspade Dec 2015 #68

Yeah, yeah, yeah MaggieD Dec 2015 #11

Actually floriduck Dec 2015 #27

They aren't here to think, they are here to counter any positive Sanders posts. arcane1 Dec 2015 #34

It's almost like a professional campaign. Very strange. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #39

Obama did not propose the ACA when he ran MaggieD Dec 2015 #45

You need to re-read paragraph 5 of your link. floriduck Dec 2015 #50

You need to read the whole thing AND MaggieD Dec 2015 #51

I'll let sleeping Hill's lie. floriduck Dec 2015 #62

I can't face reality? MaggieD Dec 2015 #67

Uh, I give a crap what Maggie thinks. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #54

I don't. sleepyvoter Dec 2015 #64

Here's the chart from that article. George II Dec 2015 #16

Not a bad trade-off for no longer having medical bills and insurance premiums. arcane1 Dec 2015 #21

Employers will Contribute as well. gordyfl Dec 2015 #31

It's very telling to see such a progressive plan being shit on here as "more tax-and-spend" arcane1 Dec 2015 #38

Oh cut it out - now you're equating my objection to REGRESSIVE taxes.... George II Dec 2015 #47

Bernie plans to raise the cap. Hillary will not do that. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #29

I'd feel a lot better about his plan (vague as it is so far anyway) if he changed his regressive.... George II Dec 2015 #48

Did you consider health care costs of prescription drugs? floriduck Dec 2015 #35

Oh the horror of $5k leaving my paycheck per year instead of $10k for my current insurance jeff47 Dec 2015 #57

So you're content with Sanders' plan allowing the poor and middle-class subsidizing the...... George II Dec 2015 #59

I'm not the rich, and it will save me $5k/year. jeff47 Dec 2015 #60

like with Social Security and the current Medicare? Means testing is a way to make programs resented Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #61

Very good article. Between my employer and I, 18.5% of my gross goes for shitty PatrickforO Dec 2015 #33

Well Said. gordyfl Dec 2015 #36

HMOs are the worst of the worst. A friend has LibDemAlways Dec 2015 #43

I'm honestly amazed that more people don't "go postal" over this kind of crap. arcane1 Dec 2015 #44

I left out another one that just came to mind. A friend LibDemAlways Dec 2015 #49

Holy crap Art_from_Ark Dec 2015 #73

My friend.. sleepyvoter Dec 2015 #65

Best wishes for a speedy recovery. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #10

I feel his pain. blackspade Dec 2015 #15

Speedy Recovery Senator cantbeserious Dec 2015 #19

Fox News headline: Socialist wacko demands all citizens undergo hernia procedures. n/t eggplant Dec 2015 #30

LOL! Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #74

My 92 year old mother is, of course, on LibDemAlways Dec 2015 #42

Good for your Mom, it is amazing what they bill and then write off when you have insurance ... slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #46

But where's the plan? MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #56

Please link to Clinton's HC plan and the CBO score, thanks. n/t slipslidingaway Dec 2015 #66

He's so great! He really cares about helping everyone live a decent life. cui bono Dec 2015 #63

The anti-medicare for all folks argue like Republicans. senz Dec 2015 #70